Originally posted by zopzop
And? Emma by herself is supposed to be an elite (omega?) level telepath, yet even amped by 1/5 of the PF she couldn't handle what she saw in Thor's mind and she had zero control over Red Hulk. The P5 are failsauce.She'd probably die attempting to do anything telepathically vs SBP.
Well, Thor has a history of resisting telepathic attacks and an extraordinary force of will. Him being a "god" also seems to be a reason why Emma and Rachel were defended against. Thor also resisted the psychic onslaught from a being composed of ten thousand gods, which attacked him on a physical and spiritual level. So, yeah, Thor actually has an impressive resume when it comes to willpower feats.
The Hulks in general seem to do decent enough against telepathy as well.
So, again, Emma not being able to mindphuck Thor/Rulk =/= not being able to mindphuck the less stable Prime, who doesn't even have any feats to suggest he'd resist an attack of such level outside of coasting on the fact that he's Superboy Prime. And Thor, while less powerful than Prime, absolutely shits on him in the willpower department.
Originally posted by zopzop
The P5 aren't that impressive...............at all. SBP (leaving out the GA for a min here) has infinitely better fights and feats under his belt. Emma + PF couldn't even control Red Hulk's mind and was shaken when she attempted to read Thor's mind. They'd probably comatose themselves attempting to mindphuck SBP.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, Thor has a history of resisting telepathic attacks and an extraordinary force of will. Him being a "god" also seems to be a reason why Emma and Rachel were defended against. Thor also resisted the psychic onslaught from a being composed of ten thousand gods, which attacked him on a physical and spiritual level. So, yeah, Thor actually has an impressive resume when it comes to willpower feats.The Hulks in general seem to do decent enough against telepathy as well.
So, again, Emma not being able to mindphuck Thor/Rulk =/= not being able to mindphuck the less stable Prime, who doesn't even have any feats to suggest he'd resist an attack of such level outside of coasting on the fact that he's Superboy Prime. And Thor, while less powerful than Prime, absolutely shits on him in the willpower department.
I can see it now, Emma tries something TP wise, then her head explodes or he punches it off.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Pretty sure all of the Phoenix 5 have telepathy aswell as a myriad of other powers. If Prime somehow takes down say 4 members, assuming the power transfer is still in effect, how is he going to essentially "stomp", let alone beat the Force itself?
Going strictly by on panel showings and not hyperbole or meaningless statements, SBP would WRECK the PF.
Originally posted by zopzop
Again, the P5 aren't impressive in the least. Hell, if anything, they seem to be forgetting their other powers, powers they had before they became PF Hosts and resorting to brawling. Thing punched out Magik. Thing..........I can see it now, Emma tries something TP wise, then her head explodes or he punches it off.
Thing punching Magik =/= Thing hurting Magik. Do you know how many times in comics someone is able to punch or otherwise send another being flying with an attack only to have not hurt them in the least at all? Prime himself has been staggered by beings far far FAR below his power level, but we don't think those beings can actually beat him outside of causing him pain and discomfort. And as far as I can tell, Magik was basically fine afterword.
Based on what though? She goes for TP and Prime is unaffected because he's Prime? Or are you basing this off of a feat he displayed?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thing punching Magik =/= Thing hurting Magik. Do you know how many times in comics someone is able to punch or otherwise send another being flying with an attack only to have not hurt them in the least at all? Prime himself has been staggered by beings far far FAR below his power level, but we don't think those beings can actually beat him outside of causing him pain and discomfort.
You know if Rulk assaulted SBP, there'd be nothing left of Rulk but a black and red smear on the floor right?
Based on what though? She goes for TP and Prime is unaffected because he's Prime? Or are you basing this off of a feat he displayed?
Originally posted by zopzopThe Magik incident is not the only example, it's just the most recent. What I found particularly hilarious was the concern in P5 Emma's little speech when she was discussing what they should do with the Red Hulk. 😆
You know if Rulk assaulted SBP, there'd be nothing left of Rulk but a black and red smear on the floor right?
Because he's Prime. Has he EVER been affected by telepathic assault on panel before? [/B]
She was referencing Loebforce shenigans which include Rulk punching out Uatu and beating Surfer with his own board. Loebforce Rulk was goddamn ridiculous. I don't think Rulk would beat Prime for the majority, but if his plot driven absorbing powers came into play, Prime would be in trouble.
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So because Prime has never been shown to be attacked by telepathy, he gets the benefit of the doubt that he'd be immune to it or able to shrug it off? All because "he's Prime"?
Do you honestly not see the inherent and glaring flaw in that?
Originally posted by zopzop
The PF was shattered into a BILLION pieces by.............Xorn. Freaking Xorn. It was then forced out of the White Hot Room by Shi'ar tech and almost killed again. Thor "clipped the wings" of the actual Force itself and sent it crashing into a planet. I don't understand why you think I'd be impressed by the PF.Going strictly by on panel showings and not hyperbole or meaningless statements, SBP would WRECK the PF.
Originally posted by Sundipped
If this was true (which it's not) it would likely be the other way around. The Force would suck up all solar energy leaving Prime depowered.How can Prime contest with the embodiment of all the stars in an solar energy tug o war?
What isn't true ? Phoenix being the embodiment of all stars ? I assure you that it is very much true . It is in the Phoenix Respect Thread(the one made by Id) .
Here's a small bit of proof :
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4300/excalibur02520hz1.jpg
If you're talking about Prime getting powered up by the PF , then you should know its mere speculation on my part , one which I already conceded was implausible , because of all the Red Giants that exist in the universe .
Originally posted by zopzop
And? Emma by herself is supposed to be an elite (omega?) level telepath, yet even amped by 1/5 of the PF she couldn't handle what she saw in Thor's mind and she had zero control over Red Hulk.
Originally posted by zopzop
The P5 are failsauce.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What isn't true ? Phoenix being the embodiment of all stars ? I assure you that it is very much true . It is in the Phoenix Respect Thread(the one made by Id) .
Here's a small bit of proof :
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4300/excalibur02520hz1.jpgIf you're talking about Prime getting powered up by the PF , then you should know its mere speculation on my part , one which I already conceded was implausible , because of all the Red Giants that exist in the universe .
Sometimes you over analyze things GK. I was talking about Prime being powered by the PF. My question about Prime playing tug o war with "the embodiment of the stars" should've been seen as my acknowledgement to what the entity is. No biggie.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Sometimes you over analyze things GK. I was talking about Prime being powered by the PF. My question about Prime playing tug o war with "the embodiment of the stars" should've been seen as my acknowledgement to what the entity is. No biggie.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) show best "feats" of my guy - check!
2) show worst showings of other guys -check!
3) make assumptions based on poor speculation (piercing supeman =/= utterly destroying someone, also, superman is NOT far more durable than any of them) -check!
4) lowball some more (lol at Thor and Glad being low heralds) -check!
5) huge wall of biased opinions that do nothing to prove his point -check!Yeah I'm starting to get your debate style. It's entertaining.... Doesn't really prove your point, tho.
Also, the P5 getting distributed evenly as they go down? Go check AvX round 8, it's there. I might be new to comics but at least I've read about the people I argue on. You obiously don't.
Is it just me or does superman, hulk and gladiator have really rabid people trying to make em win regardless of logic here?
those are not only his best feats but his consistant feats without anything to contredict them therefor those ARE his debatable feats.
how are those the worst showings of namor if those are his only ones? how can that fight be A PIS as you claim if there are no other feats to suggest he is greater than that? think about what you said.
can you provide any evidence to them being more durable than superman? on the superman side we got feats of him survivng planetery blasts and supernovas, black holes, and a half galactical blast, what feats do you have for those 5? for all that i care colossus got bested by a punch from gladiator, namor got taken down for a while by rulk and thing, cyclops was matched by gladiator , emma got shattered by thor, and they all combined are nothing to the likes of wanda and the sinister girls, there is no evidence of them survivng a single heat vision from SBP who killed green lanterns and cut superman like butter with only his heat vision, of yeah and killed solomon grundy with it as well, i am not even starting to bring up his overall power output feats of destroying realities time and antimonitor armor without being harmed.
never said thor is a low herald show me where is said that, i just presented the facts of phoenix 5 getting trouble from low heralds AND from thor.
biased? i base my statement over showings and facts, you on the other hand is the one who is basing his opinions on nothing but wank and speculations for the phoenix 5 based on nothing, prime shit stomped half of DC universe comming at him at once that included people like wonder woman martial manhunter the flash superman and who not, your phoenix 5 got trouble with averege 1 vs 1 herald fight, as we saw the phoenix 5 had trouble with speed because the phoenix boost didnt add them any speed advantage prime will easily destroy the life out of them before they do anything.
when will you start actually proving something? all you do is say i am biased and i am wrong, the good old tactic of "when you cant debate the guy just troll him and make fun of his argument that will make it look like you actually made a point", start proving something aside of just trolling.
i guess you dont, you refuce to accept the facts as they are and ignore the showings, you dont know much about prime at all and the avidence to that is the fact you brought him taken down by the teen titans which is a definition of PIS, after he got 98% of his showings showing him beating and killing the living crap out of top DC guys and being unbeated monster, survivng universal blasts, breaking the wall backed by the green lanters will power, breaking and altering reality and time, busting anti monitor armor without getting harmed, beating half of DC roster at the same time, but i guess all that doesnt tell you anything because like you said yourself you are new to comics, you are "debating" based on couple comic books you read up recently without knowing the other character and that is what biased is all about.
try to stick around a little longer to have any credibility to speak about whats biased or unbiased around here, there are fanboys and devoted fans to many characters, if that was some kind of shot at me than SBP is not superman get your facts straight, i suggest you to actually read some comics from 10 - 20 years ago and not just the recent ones, dont think you can just walk away with "i dont care" attitude when ever you are questioned about old school comics knowledge.
Here is Xemnu mindraping rulk easily
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/panther/xemnu2.jpg
Phoenix emma=weaksauce.
