The Dark Knight Rises is a plodding, monotonous mess. Great acting, beautiful cinematography and stunning sound design, don't over shadow the films terrible pacing, bloated run time, or it's predicable, and pretentious plot. The film is simply boring. I honestly believe there is a good movie in there somewhere... but apparently no one told Christopher Nolan than he doesn't need to use every. single. scene. to compile in the final cut. The movie watches like Terrance Malick was in charge of the editing bay. You could lop a good 30 - 40 minutes of the film and you'd be left with a more focused, engaging and cohesive story. It's a shame.
Avengers is by far the better movie.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBut on the other hand, you don't know anything. mmm
The Dark Knight Rises is a plodding, monotonous mess. Great acting, beautiful cinematography and stunning sound design, don't over shadow the films terrible pacing, bloated run time, or it's predicable, and pretentious plot. The film is simply boring. I honestly believe there is a good movie in there somewhere... but apparently no one told Christopher Nolan than he doesn't need to use every. single. scene. to compile in the final cut. The movie watches like Terrance Malick was in charge of the editing bay. You could lop a good 30 - 40 minutes of the film and you'd be left with a more focused, engaging and cohesive story. It's a shame.Avengers is by far the better movie.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The Dark Knight Rises is a plodding, monotonous mess. Great acting, beautiful cinematography and stunning sound design, don't over shadow the films terrible pacing, bloated run time, or it's predicable, and pretentious plot. The film is simply boring. I honestly believe there is a good movie in there somewhere... but apparently no one told Christopher Nolan than he doesn't need to use every. single. scene. to compile in the final cut. The movie watches like Terrance Malick was in charge of the editing bay. You could lop a good 30 - 40 minutes of the film and you'd be left with a more focused, engaging and cohesive story. It's a shame.Avengers is by far the better movie.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The Dark Knight Rises is a plodding, monotonous mess. Great acting, beautiful cinematography and stunning sound design, don't over shadow the films terrible pacing, bloated run time, or it's predicable, and pretentious plot. The film is simply boring. I honestly believe there is a good movie in there somewhere... but apparently no one told Christopher Nolan than he doesn't need to use every. single. scene. to compile in the final cut. The movie watches like Terrance Malick was in charge of the editing bay. You could lop a good 30 - 40 minutes of the film and you'd be left with a more focused, engaging and cohesive story. It's a shame.Avengers is by far the better movie.
Couldn't agree more.
Laughable, considering you haven't even seen TDKR.
It's even better the second time around when you start to notice the small things and can really appreciate the acting.
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Like when Bane sees Talia for the first time and for a brief second his eyes flicker with recognition. ****, the acting was superb.
Originally posted by silver_tearsI actually thought it was worse the second time around. It's flaws just became more pronounced.
Laughable, considering you haven't even seen TDKR.It's even better the second time around when you start to notice the small things and can really appreciate the acting.
Spoiler:
Like when Bane sees Talia for the first time and for a brief second his eyes flicker with recognition. ****, the acting was superb.
On the whole I agree with SRank (a first). TDKR seemed like a really amazing film that was just buried beneath too much pretentious and monotonous bullshit.
Avengers might not have been as "smart" as TDKR, but from an actual narrative perspective, it was just better written, imo.
As much as I wanted TDKR to be the superior film of the two, I still found the Avengers to be both more enjoyable and have less distracting faults. In fact I'm actually still kind of mad the Nolanverse was made into a trilogy despite Bane's appearance. Yeah I still think this was an unecessary third installment though that could just be my intolerance of Catwoman kicking in.
Everyone keeps mentioning flaws and faults and plot holes, let's see some examples, particularly of plot holes. I'm still waiting for that list I was promised on page 1.
God forbid a movie actually develop its characters through dialogue and backstory instead of treating viewers to 45 minutes (or at least that's what it felt like ugh) of space creatures flying around skyscrapers with big guns.
Originally posted by silver_tearshere ya go It kicks up at page 21, I guess. That's when we all start talking about it.
[B]Everyone keeps mentioning flaws and faults and plot holes, let's see some examples, particularly of plot holes. I'm still waiting for that list I was promised on page 1.
The actual discussion about the film's been interesting for the past week or so, imo. There seems to be a lot of polarizing opinions.
God forbid a movie actually develop its characters through dialogue and backstoryWell, I'm assuming that many people's problem with the movie is related to that, in that Nolan didn't really do a good job with that aspect of the film, compared to TDK and Begins anyway. More specifically, I think Whedon did a better job of fleshing out his characters in Avengers did than Nolan did in this one. Bane and Talia were both extremely one-dimensional and their motivations were one-dimensional (Talia's entire motivation was literally to fulfill her father's dying wish, despite the fact that what she was doing was actually kind of the opposite of what his vision was, and Bane's motive was to basically execute her plans. He didn't seem to really have any true motivations himself, just as examples). Loki admittedly played a bit of a "bwahaha" villain in Avengers, but his general pathos was, imo, much more fleshed out than the TDKR villains.