The Avengers Vs The Dark Knight Rises

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the thing is im not sure if a JLA film will be as good as The Avengers was

Understandable. I don't think any of us were sure Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, or the Avengers were going to any good until we watched the final product. A lot of super heroes can come off as cheesy if it's not balanced right. If it's too serious, it might just turn bad. I think each character needs their own approach.

JLA at this point is a got to see it to believe it deal as well.

Iron Man & Thor especially were really well beyond our expectations. Marvel studios has really done a fantastic job on the big screen.

Problem with a potential JL is the only 2 big products DC has on the big screen are Superman and Batman. And they really messed up the last attempt at Supes and they're rebooting the most successful Batman series.

So there's nothing to build a potential JL off right now.

Of course the thing with JL is there's so many big names on the roster, that just making the movie without having a huge build up could prove a huge potential hit by itself.

However as of right now I just don't have faith in them to get it right. The GL movie really took all my faith away.

Personally, I just don't think DC characters have the appeal to pull off big movies.

IM is easily Marvel's best film franchise and was hands down the most powerful character element within The Avengers.

Thor wasn't a bad film but, the character is inherently bland and works best as background for others (Darcy's tasering of him, Jane running him over ...).

The Hulk films have been failures for a variety of reasons, "art house Hulk" was just ridiculously ill-fitting and "Norton Banner" though a very good and underrated film could not make up for the self-sabotage that Marvel did with Ang Lee's Hulk.

The major DCU characters are either too clean cut or too one-dimensional (Batman aside), too cheesy (Hawk people), too esoteric (some of the "zanier" Lanterns) or just too downright boring (MM and that other guy who does the thing where he's like really fast and yawn).

I disagree.

DC is just being anal, stupid, moronic and have no idea how to make it work.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Understandable. I don't think any of us were sure Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, or the Avengers were going to any good until we watched the final product. A lot of super heroes can come off as cheesy if it's not balanced right. If it's too serious, it might just turn bad. I think each character needs their own approach.

JLA at this point is a got to see it to believe it deal as well.

its a shame dc doesn't follow the way marvel did

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
its a shame dc doesn't follow the way marvel did

Nah they should do it in their own way. They can't just copy Marvel.

Dc's main problem right now is they just can't make good movies for the big screen, they don't know how to budget, (look at how much they spent on Superman Returns and on GL!!!) and they lack that ambition Marvel's had.

Can you believe Joss Whedon was involved with a Wonder Woman project, but got tired of waiting around??!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah they should do it in their own way. They can't just copy Marvel.

Dc's main problem right now is they just can't make good movies for the big screen, they don't know how to budget, (look at how much they spent on Superman Returns and on GL!!!) and they lack that ambition Marvel's had.

Can you believe Joss Whedon was involved with a Wonder Woman project, but got tired of waiting around??!

by doing it their own way they aren't doing much..

everyone knows why they are fasttracking a Justice League film so why not go all the way and do what made it all a success for Marvel..

budgetary concerns weren't the reason Supes Returns and Green Lantern weren't good..

Warner Bros just wants to make money. First they don't have faith in characters other than Batman or Superman. Then when they decide to step out they decide to throw a lot of cash and hire popular stars to fill those shoes, instead of actors that fit well with their characters. The story was cheesy, the focus was on special effects, and make everything even worse they choose two bland villains.

Iron Man - Robert Downey, Jeff Bridges, Gwyneth Paltrow, Terrence Howard
Thor - Chris Hemsworth, Natalie Portman, Tom Hiddleston,
Anthony Hopkins, Idris Elba
Captain America - Chris Evans, Tommy Lee Jones, Hugo Weaving

Green Lantern - Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, Peter Sarsgaard, Mark Strong

Reynolds is nowhere near any of Marvel's lead in terms acting. Blake Lively is an actress they got off they TV network. Sarsgaard isn't close to Hiddelson, Weaving, or Bridges. Let's not even talk about that cloud named Parallax. Mark Strong was good but he wasn't a villain nor had much show time.

Batman was great because Nolan embraced the character. Warner Bros couldn't careless about their's. Such a poor way to approach their franchise.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
its a shame dc doesn't follow the way marvel did

There is one significant difference between Marvel & DC & this factor works to Marvel's advantage.

Most of Marvel's characters were invented by one person, Stan Lee.
Compare that to the fact that numerous writers/artists own the various characters that make up JLA....there is alot of red tape & negotiations that DC has to go through to get them all together on the big screen.

All Marvel has to do is chuck a couple of million Stan's way & that's the deal sealed.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
by doing it their own way they aren't doing much..

Well yeah anything's better than just waiting around watching Marvel movies get bigger and bigger.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
everyone knows why they are fasttracking a Justice League film so why not go all the way and do what made it all a success for Marvel..

Because it just won't work. It won't be something new, never seen before, like it was for Marvel. And the way they are going it will just seem like a Lame copy Imo.

If they want to imitate Marvel's success then they need to use their imagination, take risks and get ambitious and do completely new stuff like Marvel did.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
budgetary concerns weren't the reason Supes Returns and Green Lantern weren't good..

No but they were the reasons those movies were seen as complete and utter failures. And those failures certainly slowed DC's big screen career down.

Who wants to move along when each step is losing you hundreds of millions of dollars?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well yeah anything's better than just waiting around watching Marvel movies get bigger and bigger.

Because it just won't work. It won't be something new, never seen before, like it was for Marvel. And the way they are going it will just seem like a Lame copy Imo.

If they want to imitate Marvel's success then they need to use their imagination, take risks and get ambitious and do completely new stuff like Marvel did.

No but they were the reasons those movies were seen as complete and utter failures. And those failures certainly slowed DC's big screen career down.

Who wants to move along when each step is losing you hundreds of millions of dollars?

true true

the dark knight rises. the avengers are too predictable

go with the batman rises .. you will never see a movie like this before..... even after the heath ledger not in the movie ....

Avengers was great movie....

Originally posted by Oliver North
lol

ollie north strikes again 😄

ya, fair enough. Dark Knight was worth seeing Ledger as Joker, Bale has been fairly commendable... though I'd love to know who came up with that voice.

EDIT: Acting in the Avengers was, comparatively, terrible, but that might have been more a reflection of the writing than the actors.

I like the avenger .

I thought the Avengers was better.

My vote is for Dark Night Rises, its amazing movie to watch ever time.