The Avengers Vs The Dark Knight Rises

Started by Mr Parker6 pages

thats killer movies for you.Sure has gone downhill since the good old days when I first came here almost 10 years ago where this kind of thing for example; never went on.times sure have changed for the worse.this sort of thing is why i seldom come here anymore and why this place has gone to hell since the good old days.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats killer movies for you.Sure has gone downhill since the good old days when I first came here almost 10 years ago where this kind of thing for example; never went on.times sure have changed for the worse.this sort of thing is why i seldom come here anymore and why this place has gone to hell since the good old days.

Well, don't let us keep you.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
thats killer movies for you.Sure has gone downhill since the good old days when I first came here almost 10 years ago where this kind of thing for example; never went on.times sure have changed for the worse.this sort of thing is why i seldom come here anymore and why this place has gone to hell since the good old days.
What, did your life revolve around posting on a website?

Originally posted by Impediment
Anne Hathaway is so much hotter than Scarlett Johansson.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'd make SJ's face look like a glazed donut, but Hathaway just seems to have much more natural beauty. So much beauty, I'd go A2M on Anne.

Originally posted by Robtard
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I agree with Robtard.

Perfection has been reached.

Originally posted by Impediment
Anne Hathaway is so much hotter than Scarlett Johansson.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'd make SJ's face look like a glazed donut, but Hathaway just seems to have much more natural beauty. So much beauty, I'd go A2M on Anne.

I'd give SJ an 8 and AH and 8.5. Only way I'd be convinced is if both hopped on these nuts, at the same time. There are far hotter women out there in the real world. These two can just memorize lines and spit them out halfway decently. Why the swollen peens over them?

I liked both

Then you clearly don't "get it", brah.

No matter how good an action film is it is still just an action film and can never be a great film. The film has literally no dramatic value, nothing in the form of a great mystery, nothing resembling a suspenseful thriller. It is just a silly story about these heroes being gathered together to fend off an alien invasion for the most part. And for what it's worth I found most of the action scenes boring and nothing really new about them and I think the film completely lacked a distinctive visual style. It just wasn't very good. Captain America was the best out of all the Avengers films for sure, and it's because it actually had a good focus on characters.

If you look at something like, 300 for example, it's the far superior action film because it actually had bucket loads of its own distinctive style to it. Avengers has no such thing.

TDKR was definitely not as good as TDK and there were big problems with it, it was overly long and got a bit boring at times, the very middle got a bit convoluted and didn't explain things very well, Bane's voice definitely wasn't clear at times, and many other things, but it at least succeeds as good storytelling despite those problems, has genuinely good dramatic moments, and actually creates real tension and atmosphere. TDKR simply tells a much better story.

Originally posted by DarthTheDominat
No matter how good an action film is it is still just an action film and can never be a great film.

wut?

Well there is one exception to that. If it has such a sense of distinctive style that it can possibly be looked at as a piece of visual or aural art, then yes perhaps a pure action film can be considered a great film. Otherwise no, a pure action film is simply too intellectually unambitious for it to be a great film if it can't be looked at aesthetically as a piece of art.

Originally posted by DarthTheDominat
Well there is one exception to that. If it has such a sense of distinctive style that it can possibly be looked at as a piece of visual or aural art, then yes perhaps a pure action film can be considered a great film. Otherwise no, a pure action film is simply too intellectually unambitious for it to be a great film if it can't be looked at aesthetically as a piece of art.

lol, I like how you switched the term to "pure" action 😉

easy cop-out

lol no dishonesty on my end pal. Obviously hybrids don't count as an action/thriller has the storytelling elements of the thriller genre for example. When I say action film I am basically talking about a pure action film. BTW it can also be an action fantasy film for example as the fantasy genre is a setting genre, not a storytelling (e.g. thriller, mystery etc) or fundamental (horror, comedy etc.) genre.

Originally posted by DarthTheDominat
No matter how good an action film is it is still just an action film and can never be a great film. The film has literally no dramatic value, nothing in the form of a great mystery, nothing resembling a suspenseful thriller. It is just a silly story about these heroes being gathered together to fend off an alien invasion for the most part. And for what it's worth I found most of the action scenes boring and nothing really new about them and I think the film completely lacked a distinctive visual style. It just wasn't very good. Captain America was the best out of all the Avengers films for sure, and it's because it actually had a good focus on characters.

If you look at something like, 300 for example, it's the far superior action film because it actually had bucket loads of its own distinctive style to it. Avengers has no such thing.

TDKR was definitely not as good as TDK and there were big problems with it, it was overly long and got a bit boring at times, the very middle got a bit convoluted and didn't explain things very well, Bane's voice definitely wasn't clear at times, and many other things, but it at least succeeds as good storytelling despite those problems, has genuinely good dramatic moments, and actually creates real tension and atmosphere. TDKR simply tells a much better story.

I feel like a lot of this is subjective.

Originally posted by DarthTheDominat
things that don't support my argument don't count

fixed

you are still wrong though 😉

I didn't feel the need to specify those details. We are talking about The Avengers. It is a pure action film, and it doesn't have a distinctive visual style, no real atmosphere behind the action, no poetry in the motion of the action, nothing. What majorly separates this from something like The Expendables?

so you admit there are great action films then?

Pure action films, almost none. Maybe stuff like 300 for its amazing sense of style. Plus not everybody will agree on things being pure action films anyway, it's been a while since I saw 300 so there might have actually been good storytelling to it. Likewise to something like Fearless which I haven't seen in a while, but I will say that the fight scenes in that were out of this world.

so, you can tell me why First Blood, Alien or Equilibrium aren't great films? Empire Strikes Back? Or is there some reason you have determined that suggests these aren't action films?

I give Dark Knight Rises the edge just because I prefer the serious tone. I had plenty of issues with both films, but ultimately, TDKR is my #2 film of the year while The Avengers is my #3 (Prometheus, also filled with issues, is my #1).