vegeto vs Thor (normal)

He's fought at microsecond levels before. and moved faster than eyes can see also. But he doesn't need to since he can beat him with lightning before ever having to engage in melee.

Thor needs to summon the lightning which takes a few seconds. Vegito doesn't have to give him that time. And who says lightning will even work? Broly took several lightning bolts with no problem in his 1st movie as he was transforming. These guys no sale planet destroying attacks daily. I highly doubt lightning would do much

Lol? It's not like DBZ characters are know from stopping their opponents attacks prematurely. I guarantee you with cis on Vegito stands there and smiles at Thor.

😆 he probably would. But with CIS on Thor wouldn't be going all out off jump. And Vegito dodged a lot of Buu's attacks. He likes to display his speed. This is 50/50 as to whether he tries to take a hammer shot to the face

It's true that DBZ characters have awesome energy durability, but heat, physical force, etc not so much. Take Broly. He was badly burned by lava and died in the sun. Thor can easily survive in the sun and is Marvels king for energy durability of the heroes.

Broly wasn't burned by the lava. He had thos scars from Goku's "Super Punch". The sun did kill him tho. But this is not a fight in the sun and Broly has taken shots that would level Thor like that Kamehameha to the face in the first movie. Or Vegeta's attack (which looked like a "Big Bang Attack"😉 to his back without noticing.

Then it's a lie. Because a 50X stronger Frieza would have killed goku with one hit. And he didn't. I doubt that happened though unless you have a scan that says otherwise.

I can't find the clip on Youtube. It was after Goku bit him to make Frieza use his hands. But while Frieza was at 50% Goku was using the Kaio-ken times 20 and was still getting manhandled. So if Goku was matching Freiza then was outclassed at even 20 times stronger then Frieza had to have been at a very low power in the beginning. Even if Frieza was at 5% and went to 50% that's only a 10 times difference which means Goku would have been able to hang. Matching Frieza at 3% Would mean that Goku's Kaio-ken times 20 would out him at Frieza's 60%. So even if he wasn't at 1% he had to be damn close.

And the reason Frieza didn't just outright kill Goku is because he was toying with him and being cocky.

Instant transmission is a cool ability and if Vegito does that trick that goku did when he fought cell and appears infront of Thor for the attack right before letting it loose, yeah Thor would get pretty hard. But Thors no slouch in durability and I'm confident he can take it.

I think it would spell the end for Thor since that attack would be several times planet destroying levels and Thor gets KO'd by far less

The biggest thing thats bothered me as an inconsistency in DBZ though, is that 18,000 is supposedly planet busting power. Yet guys like Gotenks firede off attacks at the Earth which I assume are stronger than 18,000 and it didn't really do anything....

I keep trying to think of a reason for this but none of my excuses are any good. Just poor writing i guess

Love the show and the characters (especially Broly) but hate the inconsistency.

Agree 100%

Yet equally wrong.

Not at all

He might BFR Juggernaut, but he doesn't have the output to put down a raging Hulk, who isn't BFRed as easily.

Just because Hulk is hard to BFR in the Marvel world doesn't mean he would be hard in DBZ. He would easily be tossed into the sun at the end of an massive Kamehameha just like Broly. What could he do about it? Get angrier? So what? And since he is easily cut and was killed by a trident there is no reason to think a "Destructo Disk" or something wouldn't cut right thru him killing him.

Atleast Juggernaut has the unstoppable momentum working for him. If he is walking forward they won't be able to push him back at all.

What's stopping Thor from throwing Vegetto into orbit and out of our solar system [like he did in -JIM-#90], winning via BFR?

He has to catch him 1st. Then what is stopping Vegito from instantly IT back to Earth?

What's stopping Vegito from using IT like Goku did to Cell and BFR him to the Supreme Kai's planet and then coming back? Instant Vegito win

Thor wins, Mjolnir is pretty hax. I mean, with the hammer Thor can just absorb and redirect any of Vegito's ki blasts. That, and with the hammer Thor is FTL by a very good margin. I mean, I can't post it because I'm a newbie, but didn't Thor out-race Ego the living planet; crossing from one end of a solar system to another end of it in a few moments?

Thor also has some insane durability, can survive in the sun, and tank attacks from heralds of Galactus.

Thor wins, Mjolnir is pretty hax. I mean, with the hammer Thor can just absorb and redirect any of Vegito's ki blasts. That, and with the hammer Thor is FTL by a very good margin. I mean, I can't post it because I'm a newbie, but didn't Thor out-race Ego the living planet; crossing from one end of a solar system to another end of it in a few moments?

Thor also has some insane durability, can survive in the sun, and tank attacks from heralds of Galactus.

How exactly is Mjolnir going to absorb or redirect a blast if it hits Thor in the back of his head? The IT Kamehameha is a huge problem for Thor. Plus he doesn't fight as fast as he flies. Speed and combat speed are two totally different things.

As for his durability he is cosistantly beaten by much less than planet busting attacks (Hulk, Juggernaut, Namor)

Have you ever noticed how Vegetto gets pounded by physical attacks? Same thing applies with Thor, just with far greater force. And Vegetto can't hit Thor because Thor is gifted to be faster than Vegetto in flight speed, close combat doesn't matter because Vegetto can't negate the electrical current that will be surrounding Thor. Thor is the superior combatant.

Originally posted by juggerman
How exactly is Mjolnir going to absorb or redirect a blast if it hits Thor in the back of his head? The IT Kamehameha is a huge problem for Thor. Plus he doesn't fight as fast as he flies. Speed and combat speed are two totally different things.

As for his durability he is cosistantly beaten by much less than planet busting attacks (Hulk, Juggernaut, Namor)

Well, doesn't Mjolnir also provide Thor with extra-sensory perceptions as well? He was able to find Ego that way, I think. It lets him sense energy, as well. He would probably be able to counter a sneak-attack from behind if he can sense where it's coming from.

If Vegito tries to IT Thor onto another planet, Thor can just teleport back with Mjolnir by opening up a vortex. That hammer can do a lot of things.

As for the combat and flight speed thing, well, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I think that there's no real difference, and that with Mjolnir Thor is FTL. But, once again, I'm not sure. At the very least, Thor's reactions would be much more impressive than just micro-second for him to be able fly at those extreme FTL speeds effectively.

Have you ever noticed how Vegetto gets pounded by physical attacks? Same thing applies with Thor, just with far greater force. And Vegetto can't hit Thor because Thor is gifted to be faster than Vegetto in flight speed, close combat doesn't matter because Vegetto can't negate the electrical current that will be surrounding Thor. Thor is the superior combatant.

Have YOU ever noticed how Thor gets obliterated by opponents that don't have anywhere near the combat speed as Vegito or the attack power?? And by "attack power" i do not mean just punching strength.

Look at it like this:

Piccolo in the Saiyan Saga was able to completely destroy the moon. Thor is beaten by hits that wouldn't destroy the moon. Vegito is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buu Saga Piccolo who quite frankly is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Saiyan Saga Piccolo

Well, doesn't Mjolnir also provide Thor with extra-sensory perceptions as well? He was able to find Ego that way, I think. It lets him sense energy, as well. He would probably be able to counter a sneak-attack from behind if he can sense where it's coming from.

Probably but IT makes Goku completely disappear which means there is nothing to track until he reappears. Thor would have no way of knowing where the attack would come from until it was fired

If Vegito tries to IT Thor onto another planet, Thor can just teleport back with Mjolnir by opening up a vortex. That hammer can do a lot of things.

Yes i suppose he could. good point

As for the combat and flight speed thing, well, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I think that there's no real difference, and that with Mjolnir Thor is FTL. But, once again, I'm not sure. At the very least, Thor's reactions would be much more impressive than just micro-second for him to be able fly at those extreme FTL speeds effectively.

There is a huge difference. Thor can fly at FTL speeds yet in combat he is beat down by people like Hulk and Juggernaut. Both are much faster than humans but not at all FTL. He is constantly tagged by slow moving adversaries while no1 in DBZ gets hit by slower moving enemies unless they are being cocky like they love to do.

Take for instance Cell vs Super Trunks. Now Cell himself admitted that Trunks would beat him if Trunks could hit him. Cell then made it impossible for Trunks to land a single blow while Cell picked Trunks apart. If Thor had FTL combat speed he could do the same to Hulk instead of getting his face beat in all the time

Originally posted by juggerman
He has to catch him 1st. Then what is stopping Vegito from instantly IT back to Earth?

Okay, instead he creates a dimensional rift into the sun and tosses Vegetto inside. 🙂

Originally posted by juggerman

What's stopping Vegito from using IT like Goku did to Cell and BFR him to the Supreme Kai's planet and then coming back? Instant Vegito win

Nothing, but there's also nothing stopping Thor from coming back. Thor’s hammer has the capability to send just about ANY SENTIENT BEING to just about any other LOCATION in the known Universe-Avengers-#180

Originally posted by juggerman
Thor needs to summon the lightning which takes a few seconds. Vegito doesn't have to give him that time. And who says lightning will even work? Broly took several lightning bolts with no problem in his 1st movie as he was transforming. These guys no sale planet destroying attacks daily. I highly doubt lightning would do much

😆 he probably would. But with CIS on Thor wouldn't be going all out off jump. And Vegito dodged a lot of Buu's attacks. He likes to display his speed. This is 50/50 as to whether he tries to take a hammer shot to the face

Broly wasn't burned by the lava. He had thos scars from Goku's "Super Punch". The sun did kill him tho. But this is not a fight in the sun and Broly has taken shots that would level Thor like that Kamehameha to the face in the first movie. Or Vegeta's attack (which looked like a "Big Bang Attack"😉 to his back without noticing.

I can't find the clip on Youtube. It was after Goku bit him to make Frieza use his hands. But while Frieza was at 50% Goku was using the Kaio-ken times 20 and was still getting manhandled. So if Goku was matching Freiza then was outclassed at even 20 times stronger then Frieza had to have been at a very low power in the beginning. Even if Frieza was at 5% and went to 50% that's only a 10 times difference which means Goku would have been able to hang. Matching Frieza at 3% Would mean that Goku's Kaio-ken times 20 would out him at Frieza's 60%. So even if he wasn't at 1% he had to be damn close.

And the reason Frieza didn't just outright kill Goku is because he was toying with him and being cocky.

I think it would spell the end for Thor since that attack would be several times planet destroying levels and Thor gets KO'd by far less

I keep trying to think of a reason for this but none of my excuses are any good. Just poor writing i guess

Agree 100%

But lets face it....he definitely would. He doesn't have to thats for sure, but Thor doesn't need to use that approach either. He can just raise his hammer and put Vegito in the core of the sun via teleportation before Vegito knew what happened.

Broly was just causing the storm with his powerup, not actually getting hit by the bolts. Here's the scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVPYgzt1_X8

the bolts go past him. Besides Thor's bolts are so much more powerful than anything found in nature it's ridiculous.

Broly did get burned by it though. I know the scars on his chest were from Goku's attack (which was so stupid, Broly was kicking the crap out of him. Goku should have died lol.) but look at Broly after he got dipped by the lava and after he got out of it. Those marks weren't there since he essentially no sold everything gohan threw at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-Fko4aI5U (sorry if it's an amv but I like it lol 😛)

The Kamehameha that Goku hit Broly with wasn't at all that impressive to me. Because not all that power hit Broly and it wasn't able to even level a city block hardly. That didn't seem like any sort of Planet buster to me.

But the Kaioken isn't a very accurate amp. Remeber when Goku fought Vegeta for the 1st time? He was at around 9000 to start the fight off. When he tried to match the gallick gun he has to use Kaioken X3. It only put him at 22,000. Instead of 27,000. So the amount that a kaioken amps you seems to variable.

But he's also taken a lot more. Odin, Zeus, Celestials, galactus, etc. And if he raises his hammer that would be the end. Because he'll absorb it and redirect it 10x it's original strength.

yeah I guess...you know what else I didn't like? Goku was displaying the ability to move his body at around 20,000 lbs before he hit planet Namek. Since I assume he ways about 200lbs and he training in 100x gravity. But on King Kai's planet, getting ready for the budokai, after he died and the cell games, he couldn't move a muscle with 10 tons on each limb. You'd think he would have gotten a lot stronger by then...

Okay, instead he creates a dimensional rift into the sun and tosses Vegetto inside.

Possible but with CIS on he wouldn't

Nothing, but there's also nothing stopping Thor from coming back. Thor’s hammer has the capability to send just about ANY SENTIENT BEING to just about any other LOCATION in the known Universe-Avengers-#180

Yeah i forgot he could do that...

But lets face it....he definitely would. He doesn't have to thats for sure, but Thor doesn't need to use that approach either. He can just raise his hammer and put Vegito in the core of the sun via teleportation before Vegito knew what happened.

Again CIS says he wouldn't. If you wanna go CIS off then maybe. But with IT Thor may never get chance

Broly was just causing the storm with his powerup, not actually getting hit by the bolts. Here's the scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVPYgzt1_X8

the bolts go past him. Besides Thor's bolts are so much more powerful than anything found in nature it's ridiculous.

Yeah i see it now. It's been awhile. But still these guys tank planet obliterating attacks easily. Unless Thor's lightning casually busts planets i dunno if it'll do much

Broly did get burned by it though. I know the scars on his chest were from Goku's attack (which was so stupid, Broly was kicking the crap out of him. Goku should have died lol.) but look at Broly after he got dipped by the lava and after he got out of it. Those marks weren't there since he essentially no sold everything gohan threw at him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-Fko4aI5U (sorry if it's an amv but I like it lol 😛)

Yet another example of the shitty writing. Frieza survived a planet exploding at basically zero power AND cut in half and the GODDAMN Legendary Broly can't even tank lava without a shield!

The Kamehameha that Goku hit Broly with wasn't at all that impressive to me. Because not all that power hit Broly and it wasn't able to even level a city block hardly. That didn't seem like any sort of Planet buster to me.

Well it could have just hit Broly and not gone much farther. And Goku usually tried to minamize the collateral damage

But the Kaioken isn't a very accurate amp. Remeber when Goku fought Vegeta for the 1st time? He was at around 9000 to start the fight off. When he tried to match the gallick gun he has to use Kaioken X3. It only put him at 22,000. Instead of 27,000. So the amount that a kaioken amps you seems to variable.

When was it stated to be 22,000? Vegeta's scouter was broken so where did this number come from? Im honestly curious. I don't recall them putting a number on his power level after 9,000. When i watched it i had to do the math myself the bastards!

But he's also taken a lot more. Odin, Zeus, Celestials, galactus, etc. And if he raises his hammer that would be the end. Because he'll absorb it and redirect it 10x it's original strength.

With an IT Kamehameha Thor wouldn't have the chance to raise the hammer. It would come from behind him. And if he did fire it back stronger Vegito would just dodge it.

yeah I guess...you know what else I didn't like? Goku was displaying the ability to move his body at around 20,000 lbs before he hit planet Namek. Since I assume he ways about 200lbs and he training in 100x gravity. But on King Kai's planet, getting ready for the budokai, after he died and the cell games, he couldn't move a muscle with 10 tons on each limb. You'd think he would have gotten a lot stronger by then...

Yeah that crap bugs me too. Or that Zenkai crap. If Saiyans' power increases so much from it why not just blast eachother to near death then have Dende heal you all day long? And the power they gain from it is wildly inconsistant. Like Vegeta gets one after he lost on Earth but that only puts him up a few thousand. Same with the one he got after getting thrashed by the Ginyu Force. Yet Frieza was completely outta his league in his 2nd form but after a Zenkai given to him by Krillin he was able to fight Frieza's Final form which is millions higher.

EDIT: Actually after the Ginyu Force Vegieta's power skyrockets from under 40,000 to around quarter of a million! Frieza's power in his 1st form was stated to be about 240,000 and Vegeta was holding his own which forced Frieza to transform

Or that no1 got a Zenkai again except Cell

Or that Vegeta's tail never grows back but Goku's and Gohan's did when first cut off.

Or that the team on King Kai's planet were well above the Ginyu Force after their training yet after Goku's training there he was nowhere near that strong and had to do the 100 times gravity thing.

And how the hell did trianing on King Kai's planet put Goku above Nappa anyway? It was said that Planet Vegeta's gravity was 10 times that of Earth's just like KK's Planet yet training there for half a year put Goku above someone who trained in that kind of place for decades

Originally posted by juggerman
Possible but with CIS on he wouldn't

CIS on translates to Vegetto attempting to fight Thor in close quarters combat. Might as well call this match now, because he stands no chance. Thor is a physical powerhouse that could turn Vegetto nay any Dragonball characters face into mush. And before you counter by saying he dodges. I'll just say this: Vegetto isn't going to dodge an attack from Mljonir period. Thor can swing the hammer at TWICE the speed of light- Journey Into Mystery#102. He'll knock Vegetto's head clear of his shoulders before he can bat an eye. Not even the swiftest fighter in DBZ can move at sub orbital speeds let alone the speed of light. That's a fantasy conjured up by rabid fanboys. Furthermore, what does Vegetto ever hope to do at close range? His striking power is inconsequential. Thor has fought off: Hulk, Juggernaut, Blockbuster, Hercules, Thanos, etc. Vegetto is nothing compared to that amount of sheer physical power. It's absolutely absurd to say: "Vegetto has a chance at close quarters combat". When he simply does not have the strength to compete with Thor.

But, then you'll respond: "What about Skill, doesn't skill beat brute strength?" Even if it does, it's irrelevant because Thor is no Brute. His fighting skills have been attested by one of the best close combat fighters in Marvel. The one and only Steve Rogers A.K.A. Captain America. In Avengers-#4 (vol.1) Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, "He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war." "His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries."

On-panel proof you mutter? Okay.

Thor is an expert at fighting in armed and unarmed combat, and should know most of his opponent vital weakness. At least this is the way it was portrayed in the first famous Marvel vs. DC crossover. He's the best warrior in Asgard. The Absorbing Man, when he acquire Thor's powers and could not defeat him, he said: "It ain't fair!!!" "What's good my strength, my power if I can't land a blow?", "I didn't know it was gonna be like this!!!" The very same thing happened to Warlock, to the Juggernaut (when Thor took his invulnerable force field), Mr. Hyde (Thor#106), also, Pluto and Ares (the god of war) when Thor really cut loose in Blood And Thunder. In addition, Thor outclassed in the strength department, defeated Ares who triple his strength-Thor-#223, and had Ulik on the ropes irrespective of the fact that Ulik augmented his strength several times over, defeated the Android Zotarr-Thor-#238, but the most impressive victory of all was when Thor defeated Grog the god crusher without his powers, super-strength, and being a mortal-Thor-#397. To put it simply, Thor’s skills are simply phenomenal.

But, let's pretend Vegetto decides to play it smart. Realizing he has no chance in a close quarters situation. He moves into range for his ranged attacks.

Kamehameha? Final Flash? Chi spam? Doesn't matter, Thor easily absorbs the wave with this hammer, like when he's absorbed Ultron’s entire energy source with just a single blast from his hammer-see-Avengers-#171

"But-but, the energy is too much for Thor!"

You might quip back. Nope,
Thor's hammer absorbed the energy of a Null Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire Galaxy and turn it to Cosmic energy and Re-Ignite a Dead Sun (a Galaxy may contain 200 billion to 400 billions Solar Systems-depending on their relative size.)-see-Thor #407.

Nobody in DBZ can even match a fraction of that output. Even if I accept Cells claim to having enough Chi to destroy the solar system. That still would not be enough to intimidate Thor.

"Okay, then Vegetto will stay far away and let Thor tire himself trying to catch him" You respond back. But, he doesn't have to catch him, not because can't of course [ in Thor 185- He flies three times the speed of light]. But, because he can play the range game too if he so chooses to. He wouldn't have to outmatchVegetto's power output in ranged attacks, again not because he can't [ His hammer can destroy an entire World- Thor-#125]. But because there are much more convenient things he could do. Like simply tossing MJOLNIR at Vegetto and once again. Before you comment on Vegetto simply dodging. Let me remind you that Thor could throw the hammer at the speed of light. See Thor#140

So, there s no possible way imaginable that Vegetto could win against Thor even with CIS on. Even with the most impressive mental gymnastics ever conceived, it would be outright impossible.

10/10 Thor FTW.
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Nice! I really like that you posted all of my arguments for me. That really saves time 😉

But you forgot one small argument that no1 has really been able to counter yet.

In close combat i agree Thor takes it. And if Vegito just spams Ki Blasts the hammer can absorb/redirect/block it.

But what does Thor do when Vegito uses IT Kamehameha like Goku did against Cell? It would come from behind him and Thor in character doesn't just move at lightspeed the whole fight like you would have me believe. If he did he would never get tagged by the likes of Hulk and Juggs.

Also Thor gets put down by hits much less than even 1st form Freiza could produce (i.e. instant planet busters) so IF (notice the "if" was big there?) Thor takes a full power blast from Vegito at any point Thor goes down hard

Also i might add that in character Thor wouldn't be swinging the hammer at lightspeeds or moving that fast either.

Originally posted by juggerman

But what does Thor do when Vegito uses IT Kamehameha like Goku did against Cell? It would come from behind him and Thor in character doesn't just move at lightspeed the whole fight like you would have me believe. If he did he would never get tagged by the likes of Hulk and Juggs.

And, Vegetto in-character doesn't instant Kamehameha, let alone right off the bat. It doesn't make sense for Thor to be in-character, but not Vegetto. Not, that it matters because Thor can suite with IT. Since Thor could appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166).

Originally posted by juggerman

Also Thor gets put down by hits much less than even 1st form Freiza could produce (i.e. instant planet busters) so IF (notice the "if" was big there?) Thor takes a full power blast from Vegito at any point Thor goes down hard

First off, Frieza in his first form, is in no way an instant planet buster. That little piece of work is from a non-canon flashback. Frieza in actuality destroyed planet Vegeta off-panel.

Secondly, it contradicts his later showings. Frieza, even in his final form couldn't even one shot Namek; A planet that was described by Frieza's men as "A small planet". It took a full FIVE MINUTES for the planet to succumb to it's injuries.

Originally posted by juggerman

Also i might add that in character Thor wouldn't be swinging the hammer at lightspeeds or moving that fast either.

Light-speed is simply his high end speed. He still can and has swung his hammer at unimaginable speeds. Don't take my word for it, here's what Thor has to say about it: "My mystic mallet can attain velocities which are BEYOND your ability to grasp!". But he's true speed actually averages out to around the same level of as your standard speedster. I'll bring up the references when you want. but super speed is part of Thors powerset. So, much so that the High Evolutionary using Thor’s DNA, created a real Super-Speedster in Zefra [Godpack].

Originally posted by juggerman
Then what is stopping Vegito from instantly IT back to Earth?

Depends on how far Thor BFRs him. Thor can literally send anything, or anyone to the other side of the Galaxy thousands of light years away with just a mere magic bolt fired at his enemy.

IT on the other hand can't reach certain places if they're too far away. Like when Goku was on Kaioshins planet and couldn't reach new Namek.

How fast do you think Vegetto is, because there was no indication anywere that he's light speed.

Originally posted by dvampire
How fast do you think Vegetto is, because there was no indication anywere that he's light speed.

Reacting to lightspeed attack is not something new in DBZ. Mutenroshi's Kamehameha reached a moon in no time. And comparing Mutenroshi to Vegeto is ridiculous. Goku react to Cell's Kamehameha, and later, he blocked Fat Buu's Kamehameha. If Goku can react to something which is far superior than Mutenroshi's Kamehameha, what makes you think Vegeto can't?

Ki is just a form of life energy, it's not actually light, which means it's not light speed. Ever notice how they were able to out run ki blasts? They're not light speed.

lol Ki bieng light speed

Dragon Ball was gag manga by the time Roshi did his moon busting feat and it's been proven to be inconsistent with latter showings from King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. Powerscaling anything part 2 Dragon Ball based on that is not a very reasonable approach.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Mutenroshi's Kamehameha reached a moon in no time.

Provide the timeframe.

Originally posted by starun Dragon Ball was gag manga by the time Roshi did his moon busting feat and it's been proven to be inconsistent with latter showings from King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. Powerscaling anything part 2 Dragon Ball based on that is not a very reasonable approach.

True. But DB is not entirely humor fantasy even though it's in the early DB. Even if I can't use that, fine. Picollo later, destroyed a moon when he tried to stop Oozaru Gohan and the moon vanished in the next page.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Provide the timeframe.

After Mutenroshi blasted his Kamehameha blast, Oozaru Goku is already vanished 2 pages later, which is a sign moon is already destroyed. But in the previous page, there's something exploded in the bottom panel, which most likely is a moon. You can check the page here. It doesn't make sense if the time gap between the middle and bottom panel in that page, takes more than, example, 2 hours.