Who had the best plan?

Which of these movie villains had overall the best plan in accordance to the completion of their goals? This isn't a power contest or a prep war between them, but rather an examination of their strategy and how they adapted to their respective foil(s) before ultimately being defeated.

Bane (The Dark Knight Rises)
The Joker (The Dark Knight)
Ra's al Ghul (Batman Begins)
Lex Luthor (Donnerverse, ie. both Spacey and Hackman portrayals)
Mr. Freeze (Batman and Robin 😐 )
The Riddler (Batman Forever)
The Penguin (Batman Returns)
The Joker (Batman)
Loki (Thor/Avengers)
Red Skull (Captain America: The First Avenger)
Sebastian Shaw (X-Men: First Class)
The Lizard (The Amazing Spider-Man)
Magneto (X-Men Film Series)
Dr. Doom (Fantastic Four Series)
Green Goblin (Spider-Man)
Dr. Octopus (Spider-Man II)

Which villain also came the closest to their comic book counterpart's overall success ratio in terms of planning/plotting?

What about

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Talia

Originally posted by Golgo13
What about

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Talia

Deliberately left that person out for spoiler reasons. And if I added that person, I may as well add Thanos. Besides I think the party most associated with that character did plenty of hands on thinking and planning to stand on their own.

Can I please add one even though it's not technically comic-book oriented?

Goldfinger in the movie of the same name.

Was breaking into Fort Knox...

NOT to steal the gold, but to set off a nuclear device and irradiate the gold within, making it untouchable and taking it OFF the market... thereby making his own gold reserves skyrocket in value.

Brilliant.....too bad Bond got in the way.

^ That is a good plan, actually, but for this purposes of this thread I'm trying to keep it to the mainstream comic book movies and their comic book counterparts.

John Travolta

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
^ That is a good plan, actually, but for this purposes of this thread I'm trying to keep it to the mainstream comic book movies and their comic book counterparts.

I completely understand. It's just one of the most brilliant plots I've ever seen in a movie.... completely takes the hero and everyone else by surprise.

Going back to your list.....

Mr. Freeze's plan actually worked, since he got to continue his research (albeit from Arkham)

but it wasn't how he wanted it.

I go Loki.

His plan was working perfectly.. the only part that threw a major wrench into it was the unexpected selflessness of Tony Stark. Who woulda thought he would go into the portal and risk his life to destroy the alien mothership?

Otherwise, every other part of the plan, including his capture worked toward his goals (well, except for Hulk smacking him around like a dirty ho)

I think Loki's plan in Thor was actually a bit better than in the Avengers, but in terms of character development, it makes sense as he had nothing to lose after being beaten by Thor and faking his death.

I also think Ra's al Ghul's plan of cleansing Gotham was genius. He had no real flaws outside of underestimating the cause of the Wayne murders and failing to convince Bruce to join his crusade.

I don't even remember Doom's goals.

Stealing power for his own ends.

In the first movie, he wanted to depower Thing and use Reed's machine to augment his own powers and then kill off the F4.

In the second one, he wanted to take Surfer's board and cosmic powers for his own and kill the F4.

Ra's, Bane, Joker, Shaw. All four camed close to achieving there goals, and the only reason they failed was because they underestimate the Hero.

Bane being one of the biggest hero underestimation there was. Bane's and Talia's plan were flawless till the very end.

Bane actually caused a crap load of damage. Both to Bruce and the city.

And you can't really fault Bane's plan, and say he underestimated the Hero - when you

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break someone's back, then throw him into some hellhole half the world away, then kill the only guy in the world capable of defusing your nuke....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And you can't really fault Bane's plan, and say he underestimated the Hero - when you

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break someone's back, then throw him into some hellhole half the world away, then kill the only guy in the world capable of defusing your nuke....

you can't really say that you haven't taken every precaution.

True.

But to me, Ra's was the man in the Nolanverse. Guy set the stage for everything to happen in the subsequent movies. He was definitely "immortal" in the sense Nolan was getting at.

Originally posted by Mindset
He could have killed Batman.

Batman didn't have his permission to die yet.

Jake, you have my permission to be my best friend in the whole wide world. cry

Originally posted by Mindset
Jake, you have my permission to be my best friend in the whole wide world. cry

😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠

ozymandias

Doom (2nd FF4 movie) from the list

Originally posted by Mindset
Jake, you have my permission to be my best friend in the whole wide world. cry