Who had the best plan?

On the other hand...

Originally posted by Galan007
definitely bane.

he was the only villain who actually accomplished his goals for any length of time. he trounced batman like a weak feeb, and took control of gotham for, what? like 5 months? every other movie baddie on that list has been overcome with fairly rapid succession--and most of them didn't even achieve their goals.

When you think about it in pure scale, sure, but in the end, which one of them was actually more effective? Joker absolutely destroyed Batman's life for 8 years, leaving him [and Gordon] as broken shells of the men they once were, forced to live in a lie that rots them at their core. The love of Bruce's life died, as did his chance at a normal life. Harvey Dent - the very symbol of justice, of a good man, was irreversibly turned by Joker's schemes, to the point where he was about to kill Gordon's family, pushing Batman towards not only killing him, but having to take the blame for his fall, and destroying the very symbol of Batman by turning him into a homicidal maniac.

Bane physically broke Batman, sure. He took Gotham hostage. But how did it end? He was beaten. His plan was stopped. Not only that, but he was the one who finally exposed the truth regarding what happened that night with Batman/Dent. He inadvertently was the one who made Batman an eternal symbol for all the people in Gotham who sacrified himself so that they can live, aswell as inspiring Blake to take up the mantle, his war on crime, while he can finally have his peace with Selina.

Joker destroyed Bruce [and Gordon] spiritually/mentally by destroying the two people that meant the most in their lives and fight on crime [Dent and Rachel], aswell as managing to force the Batman symbol into being the exact opposite of what it was supposed to be, what it was supposed to inspire.

Bane destroyed Bruce physically, but his actions made Bruce be reborn spiritually, coming back and making himself an everlasting symbol for the people, and then retiring for the peace he was always looking for, while a new person inspired by Bruce takes up his fight on crime.

Joker tore down both Bruce and Batman, while Bane's actions ended with Bruce turning Batman into what he wished it to be, whie at the same time finding his peace with Selina. I really don't see that as Bane being a more successful villain.

Dude, wtf. Stop bashing.

Ok, I edited that out.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Philosophía
On the other hand...
..I'd like to have this discussion with you.

When you think about it in pure scale, sure, but in the end, which one of them was actually more effective? Joker absolutely destroyed Batman's life for 8 years, leaving him [and Gordon] as broken shells of the men they once were, forced to live in a lie that rots them at their core. The love of Bruce's life died, as did his chance at a normal life. Harvey Dent - the very symbol of justice, of a good man, was irreversibly turned by Joker's schemes, to the point where he was about to kill Gordon's family, pushing Batman towards not only killing him, but having to take the blame for his fall, and destroying the very symbol of Batman by turning him into a homicidal maniac.

Bane physically broke Batman, sure. He took Gotham hostage. But how did it end? He was beaten. His plan was stopped. Not only that, but he was the one who finally exposed the truth regarding what happened that night with Batman/Dent. He inadvertently was the one who made Batman an eternal symbol for all the people in Gotham who sacrified himself so that they can live, aswell as inspiring Blake to take up the mantle, his war on crime, while he can finally have his peace with Selina.

Joker destroyed Bruce [and Gordon] spiritually/mentally by destroying the two people that meant the most in their lives and fight on crime [Dent and Rachel], aswell as managing to force the Batman symbol into being the exact opposite of what it was supposed to be, what it was supposed to inspire.

Bane destroyed Bruce physically, but his actions made Bruce be reborn spiritually, coming back and making himself an everlasting symbol for the people, and then retiring for the peace he was always looking for, while a new person inspired by Bruce takes up his fight on crime.

Joker tore down both Bruce and Batman, while Bane's actions ended with Bruce turning Batman into what he wished it to be, whie at the same time finding his peace with Selina. I really don't see that as Bane being a more successful villain.

still though, joker's 'grand plan' in the end (ie. having people kill others in order to save themselves) backfired miserably-- bats didn't have to lift a single finger to prevent it. bane, on the other hand, actually achieved his goals with a fair amount of ease, and made gotham/bruce suffer for several months. that's why i think his plan was better from a 'successfully executed' standpoint.

That reminds me shouldnt Bruce have back problems for the rest of his life? He should easily be in Larry Bird territory.

Originally posted by Mindset
Jake, you have my permission to be my best friend in the whole wide world. cry

Where's Ozymandias ?

Guys, please use spoiler tags when talking about TDKR.

Originally posted by Philosophía
On the other hand...
..I'd like to have this discussion with you.

When you think about it in pure scale, sure, but in the end, which one of them was actually more effective? Joker absolutely destroyed Batman's life for 8 years, leaving him [and Gordon] as broken shells of the men they once were, forced to live in a lie that rots them at their core. The love of Bruce's life died, as did his chance at a normal life. Harvey Dent - the very symbol of justice, of a good man, was irreversibly turned by Joker's schemes, to the point where he was about to kill Gordon's family, pushing Batman towards not only killing him, but having to take the blame for his fall, and destroying the very symbol of Batman by turning him into a homicidal maniac.

Bane physically broke Batman, sure. He took Gotham hostage. But how did it end? He was beaten. His plan was stopped. Not only that, but he was the one who finally exposed the truth regarding what happened that night with Batman/Dent. He inadvertently was the one who made Batman an eternal symbol for all the people in Gotham who sacrified himself so that they can live, aswell as inspiring Blake to take up the mantle, his war on crime, while he can finally have his peace with Selina.

Joker destroyed Bruce [and Gordon] spiritually/mentally by destroying the two people that meant the most in their lives and fight on crime [Dent and Rachel], aswell as managing to force the Batman symbol into being the exact opposite of what it was supposed to be, what it was supposed to inspire.

Bane destroyed Bruce physically, but his actions made Bruce be reborn spiritually, coming back and making himself an everlasting symbol for the people, and then retiring for the peace he was always looking for, while a new person inspired by Bruce takes up his fight on crime.

Joker tore down both Bruce and Batman, while Bane's actions ended with Bruce turning Batman into what he wished it to be, whie at the same time finding his peace with Selina. I really don't see that as Bane being a more successful villain.

Originally posted by Raptor22
I'd go with lex . In superman 1 he beat supes and left him for dead and supes would have died if lexes girlfriend didnt save him, and his real estate/missile plan succeeded. Supes had to reverse time and undo Lexes victory.

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Plus he created Nuclear Man.

Originally posted by Philosophía
On the other hand...
..I'd like to have this discussion with you.

When you think about it in pure scale, sure, but in the end, which one of them was actually more effective? Joker absolutely destroyed Batman's life for 8 years, leaving him [and Gordon] as broken shells of the men they once were, forced to live in a lie that rots them at their core. The love of Bruce's life died, as did his chance at a normal life. Harvey Dent - the very symbol of justice, of a good man, was irreversibly turned by Joker's schemes, to the point where he was about to kill Gordon's family, pushing Batman towards not only killing him, but having to take the blame for his fall, and destroying the very symbol of Batman by turning him into a homicidal maniac.

Bane physically broke Batman, sure. He took Gotham hostage. But how did it end? He was beaten. His plan was stopped. Not only that, but he was the one who finally exposed the truth regarding what happened that night with Batman/Dent. He inadvertently was the one who made Batman an eternal symbol for all the people in Gotham who sacrified himself so that they can live, aswell as inspiring Blake to take up the mantle, his war on crime, while he can finally have his peace with Selina.

Joker destroyed Bruce [and Gordon] spiritually/mentally by destroying the two people that meant the most in their lives and fight on crime [Dent and Rachel], aswell as managing to force the Batman symbol into being the exact opposite of what it was supposed to be, what it was supposed to inspire.

Bane destroyed Bruce physically, but his actions made Bruce be reborn spiritually, coming back and making himself an everlasting symbol for the people, and then retiring for the peace he was always looking for, while a new person inspired by Bruce takes up his fight on crime.

Joker tore down both Bruce and Batman, while Bane's actions ended with Bruce turning Batman into what he wished it to be, whie at the same time finding his peace with Selina. I really don't see that as Bane being a more successful villain.

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Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're :

Or doing basic math.

The part of Joker's plan and a big part of why Philo is support Jokers plan.. .was turning batman into the opposite of what it was suppose to be seen as.. Wasn't even part of his plan.. The people never saw Dent in the light that the Joker wanted him seen in.. So that part of his plan failed.. and the symbol thing was only due to another part of his plan failing again. So I'm not sure how that is viewed as his plan working...

Originally posted by Mindset
You're incapable of being funny.

Or doing basic math.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You reek of butthurt .

Originally posted by Mindset
You're still mad that I win every encounter we have.

😂

This throne of gold is uncomfortable.

But I am your God.

Now bow.

Originally posted by Mindset
This throne of gold is uncomfortable.

But I am your God.

Now bow.

Read my sig to better understand who I am and what I am .

And then tremble in fear .