Who had the best plan?

Ozymandius!

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
I go Loki.

His plan was working perfectly.. the only part that threw a major wrench into it was the unexpected selflessness of Tony Stark. Who woulda thought he would go into the portal and risk his life to destroy the alien mothership?

Otherwise, every other part of the plan, including his capture worked toward his goals (well, except for Hulk smacking him around like a dirty ho)

Loki's plan in Avengers was pretty awful TBH. The nuke would have stopped his army. His plan in Thor was far better.

All the Nolan Bat villains had good plans though. I'd argue Joker's was the best as the only reason he lost is because Batman and Gordon lied. By contrast, they never had to do this to foil Ra's and Bane's plans although, admittedly, both of their plans were far grander and larger in scope.

Samuel L. Jackson in Unbreakable and Ozymandias in The Watchmen, because they succeeded

Originally posted by ares834
Loki's plan in Avengers was pretty awful TBH. The nuke would have stopped his army. His plan in Thor was far better.

All the Nolan Bat villains had good plans though. I'd argue Joker's was the best as the only reason he lost is because Batman and Gordon lied. By contrast, they never had to do this to foil Ra's and Bane's plans although, admittedly, both of their plans were far grander and larger in scope.

He had everything set up for his plan to work with the ferries, and it wasn't Batman that stopped him.

In fact he was moments away from the making the big statement he had been wanting to make the entire movie. Yet his big attempt back fired and proved the exact opposite of what he wanted.

Everyone else on this list pretty much were getting what they wanted and only the hero beat them, and had it not been for the hero would have gotten exactly what they wanted.

Even if Batman didn't do anything the Joker still would have lost on principle by not getting what he wanted even though he would have killed everyone.

Sure, his ferry plot failed but his "ace in a hole" was a great success. The only reason he didn't win because of this was due to Batman and Gordan lying. Furthermore, it also forced Batman out of the game for eight years.

definitely bane.

he was the only villain who actually accomplished his goals for any length of time. he trounced batman like a weak feeb, and took control of gotham for, what? like 5 months? every other movie baddie on that list has been overcome with fairly rapid succession--and most of them didn't even achieve their goals.

Bane didn't achieve his ultimate goal either.

bane wanted control over gotham. he got it. the bomb was mainly used as leverage to help him retain said control. remember, they could have detonated that bomb at any time--they simply chose not to.

And besides, who'd have thought a broken back could be fixed by punching??

the punch was used to realign bruce's vertebra, as it was noticeably bulging from his spine. after it was back in place, he had to hold himself upright for god knows how long until it healed enough for him to start walking/training again.

Originally posted by Galan007
bane wanted control over gotham. he got it. the bomb was mainly used as leverage to help him retain said control. remember, they could have detonated that bomb at any time--they simply chose not to.

Nah, Bane wanted to destroy Gotham and fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny. He wanted control to "poison their souls with hope" basically Bane wanted to make them suffer. But the destruction of Gotham was what he ultimately wanted.

I know, I know, its just - you can see it from Bane's point of view, he'd pretty much taken as many precautions as he could, and still Batman came back.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah, Bane wanted to destroy Gotham and fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny. He wanted control to "poison their souls with hope" basically Bane wanted to make them suffer. But the destruction of Gotham was what he ultimately wanted.

my opinion.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure, his ferry plot failed but his "ace in a hole" was a great success. The only reason he didn't win because of this was due to Batman and Gordan lying. Furthermore, it also forced Batman out of the game for eight years.

His main goal was to show when the chips are done that civilized people will turn on each other, and they didn't.

At that moment he lost, and Batman didn't even have to lift a finger.

Originally posted by Galan007
if the destruction of gotham is what bane truly wanted, he would have simply detonated the bomb right out of the gate. instead, as you mentioned, he wanted to take control of gotham and make its populace suffer... which he did... for several months. he also gave batman one of the worst cinematic-hero-beatings that i think i've ever seen. out of this list bane had the best plan, because his plans actually came into fruition for a good length of time.

my opinion.

Originally posted by Newjak
There's no guarantee his ace in the hole would have done any better in destroying the 'soul' of gotham and showing everyone gotham's true colors.

His main goal was to show when the chips are done that civilized people will turn on each other, and they didn't.

At that moment he lost, and Batman didn't even have to lift a finger.

There really is. If it was revealed that Harvey was a lunatic the morale of the people would be all but destroyed. Furthermore, all the work they did would be unraveled as the criminals would be back on the streets.

And in this he somewhat succeeded. Sure the ferry plot was a bust, but in Harvey Dent he showed that people could be broken down to his level.

I'd go with lex . In superman 1 he beat supes and left him for dead and supes would have died if lexes girlfriend didnt save him, and his real estate/missile plan succeeded. Supes had to reverse time and undo Lexes victory.

Originally posted by Galan007
if the destruction of gotham is what bane truly wanted, he would have simply detonated the bomb right out of the gate. instead, as you mentioned, he wanted to take control of gotham and make its populace suffer... which he did... for several months. he also gave batman one of the worst cinematic-hero-beatings that i think i've ever seen. out of this list bane had the best plan, because his plans actually came into fruition for a good length of time.

my opinion.

Wasn't Bane simply "in love", wasn't that the actual reason behind his participation in all the mayhem?

I think Joker's plan was the most interesting and creatively executed. Bane's the most successfully executed.

Loki's plans were shite, both in Thor and in Avengers. The latter ridiculously bad planning - he was Thanos' henchmen and he didn't even comprehend how bad the situation was going to be for him.

The Chitauri were pisspoor soldiers, the Avengers were united by Loki's actions, rather than driven apart, Hulk beat the shit out of him (mocked him too) and he even gave away the one part of his plan that might have worked (getting everyone on board the helicarrier so that Hulk would kill them).

In Thor, he wasn't doing anything spectacularly clever, just that Thor & Co were (are?) dim and didn't see it coming from him.

He became all-father for a brief duration and ended up having to send The Destroyer after Thor ... which again shows a failing plan.

Loki's plan in Thor was great, actually. Given Thor's personality traits up until banishment, his machinations were all but guaranteed to succeed. Loki didn't and really couldn't account for the impact someone like Jane would have on Thor, leading to Thor learning humility and becoming "worthy" again.

Without Jane's involvement and influence on Thor, he likely would have remained an arrogant bastard and stayed stranded on Earth long enough for Loki to rule Asgard indefinitely or at least destroy Jotunheim completely.

Originally posted by janus77
I think Joker's plan was the most interesting and creatively executed. Bane's the most successfully executed.