Diana vs....Tony

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U have a bone to pick bwr? Im not really following what arguments or points your attempting to pass as consensus. Speak plainly please

A bone to pick?

I've never interacted with you before this thread to my knowledge, so you and I don't have any personal grievances that I know about.

I don't understand your "attempting to pass as consensus" phrase either.

It's typical for people to post a picture or description of the participants, discuss in an least general terms what they think they can or should be able to do, describe specific traits useful for attack or defense, basic strategy, etcetera.
If someone posts something that seems to misunderstand the basic nature of the participants, the thread starter usually corrects that person early on.
You did not do much if any of this, leading me to believe that you were one of the posters seeking answers as to what each character could do. In other words, it appeared that you wanted to learn about the characters in ADDITION to wanting to know people's opinion on how a match-up would go between them.

Lol I didn't think I needed to break it down Barney-style for you hun its a pretty simply subject.

There was an argument in a different thread that stated that even without gear WW would be at high herald level. O disagreed stating that sans equipment she would at best be low herald and decided to test this theory against extremis im who IMO is the pinnacle of the high meta class just before you cross over into herald range.

There wasn't a need to post a picture, the fights pretty much easy to grasp

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol I didn't think I needed to break it down Barney-style for you hun its a pretty simply subject.

There was an argument in a different thread that stated that even without gear WW would be at high herald level. O disagreed stating that sans equipment she would at best be low herald and decided to test this theory against extremis im who IMO is the pinnacle of the high meta class just before you cross over into herald range.

There wasn't a need to post a picture, the fights pretty much easy to grasp

Easy to grasp? I still haven't figured out who you think would win or why, what you're basing your opinion on, what Tony will actually be able to do to hurt Diana, or even what you think Extremis has done to give you such a high opinion of it.

Give me an idea of where you're coming from.

On the Iron Man side:

Who did Extremis fight? How did this encounter prove Extremis was greater than any other Stark armor?

On the Wonder Woman side:

Excepting this newest 2012 version, what is the most recent magazine you've read featuring Wonder Woman? What's the highest level opponent that particular Wonder Woman faced that you personally read?
As precisely as possible, exactly what Wonder Woman (year and author would be easiest to understand) are you basing this question off of?

^ well honestly I feel as though they would stalemate, with a slight edge to ww due to her ferocity when pushed. IMO his ss,, technopathy and speed boost give him a definite edge

Originally posted by Sin I AM
^ well honestly I feel as though they would stalemate, with a slight edge to ww due to her ferocity when pushed. IMO his ss,, technopathy and speed boost give him a definite edge

I don't know what you refer to when you say "ss".

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Here, the following isn't likely to last beyond 36 hours:

Examine 48 min 30 sec to 49 min 09 sec.
Then examine 57 min 46 sec to 59 min 45 sec.
Description of the Extremis Suit and its first usage.

Don't know how close a reflection that is of the original comic arc, but, assuming it is accurate, the outerwear portion is more or less a slightly harder version of Tony's normal suit. That much of him is more or less a standard suit, he just uses "Darth Vader" style powers to put that outersuit on.

I don't see that part of the suit giving any problems to Diana.

Even 1990s-style Diana, post her original Messner-Loebs run, theoretically has the strength to peel the outer portion of that suit like a grape.

For the inner portion, the undersheath?
I would need to be convinced this thing can handle temperature extremes, which are oft a vulnerability to Iron Man suits both in comics and in other media.
Particularly extremest cold.
For Diana has physically handled this type of opponent before...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You've never gone off-topic?
I got bored and decided to check out the website of Better Homes and Gardens for the first time this morning.
😛
(They've got a quiz you can take to discover your home-style preferences...)

Back to the subject at hand, though.

Were this conversation being held in the 1990s, especially during the William Messner Loebs era, I would agree with the poster who called Wondy a glass cannon.
I looked that term up on TV Tropes, and, for early 1990s-Wonder Woman, even a great deal of 1980s Perez Wonder Woman, it fits.
Great physical strength, low durability.
Fairly accurate as a description for many versions of the early post-Crisis character.

However ...

You should check out American Standards. Perhaps you may find a pre-foreclosed home. Oh and Diana should win, although it won't be becuse she tears Tony out of his suit.

Wonder Woman wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman wins.

Agreed, but it's worth pointing out some considerations for the other side. Besides, I've got these collected images sitting on my desktop with nothing to do.

As mentioned before, Wonder Woman's durability used to be lower than was portrayed before Flashpoint and the current arcs. Were we talking Wonder Woman 1998, say, I would agree with those who say Tony would have a slight advantage owing to Wondy being a glass cannon.
Yes, she did indeed get shot, and such, combined with the REST of the abuse delivered by her opponent, did, indeed, nearly take her out.

Wondering Woman versus Devastation, Round 1 ...

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Devastation versus Wondering Woman.

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Devastation versus Wondering Woman.

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Devastation shoots Wondering Woman

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Deva versus Di.

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Deva versus Gumby?

Devastation and the Wondering Woman.

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Devastation versus Wondering Woman

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Devastation versus Wonder Woman.

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Deva versus Di, end Round 1.

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Source: Wonder Woman #143, Volume 2
Writer: Eric Luke
Penciller: Yanick Paquette
Date: April 1999
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_2_143

Originally posted by -Pr-

Crossovers aren't really sufficient evidence, and Aquaman does have feats of strength in the dozens, if not hundreds of tons in weight.

I have knowledge of few, if any, of these.
I doubt your average comic fan does, either. I would assert, in fact, that the average professional comic book writer does not have such knowledge either, else Namor versus Aquaman would have been written as a more equal engagment.

Originally posted by -Pr-

But I could say the same about, say, Storm Vs Wonder Woman. Or Superboy Vs Spider-Man. Crossovers in general were just poorly written, wouldn't you say?

For this particular thread, the question of Crossover Validity is worth returning to. In terms of story quality, yes, I probably would say that crossovers in general were poorly written. On the other hand, the result of Storm versus Wonder Woman makes logical sense if we actually examine how Wonder Woman fared in her own company books during that era. The answer, generally, was ... "Not very well".

Would that I had Marvel versus DC 1996 in some digital format here for uploading. On the other hand, I'm fairly certain virtually everyone who has wandered into this thread has seen at some point in their life how that battle unfolded. Diana, finding herself possessed of Mjolnir, lays DOWN the weapon, simultaneously allowing the power of Thor that it stacked onto her to be given up as well.
She does this so that she can fight Storm of the X-Men on at least somewhat even terms.

I don't remember the exact timing of the issue. Think it was just about the time of the Byrne run. Messner-Loebs was ending, John Byrne was beginning. Looking at John Byrne's run, the fight action that follows, simple and brief though it was, would, outside of comics, be difficult to explain.
Imagine the strongest person you can think of. Now imagine that person twice as strong as THAT.
Could you take a knockout kick to the head from them?

In comics though, one missed knockout opportunity can be forgiven.
Diana is actually reasonably gentle with human opponents, she only uses fractional force to start, gauging the level of force they can withstand before escalating things. And one blow is all she's given the opportunity for.
Storm retaliates immediately afterwards with lightning.
Diana withstands for a moment till Storm increases the current, whereupon Diana drops.

Such a result would have seemed ludicrous in, say 2010.
(Not too many people were happy with it back then in 1996 or so, either.)

But no rules were being violated there.
There isn't really anything save the fickle whim and magic of Zeus & Co
providing invulnerability to Diana.
Unreasonable to expect a woman who could be hurt by bullets not to be laid low by electricity, no?
Even the Rhino has been dropped from such things.

So why NOT Diana?

At any rate, the reason for bringing that up ...?

Even as late as 2008, some 12 years after that event and steadily more impressive showings, Wondy STILL proved/proves herself vulnerable to electric shock. Check it out:

Diana versus Amazo.

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Wondy versus Amazo.

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