Bane vs Thor (Movie versions)

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I agree 100%

exactly they "they looked a lot worse then Thor did"

Depends how low speed you are talking but yes I agree. Are you saying bane punches with the same force as a low speed car crash?

Like I said if hemsworth or you or I even were hit by the destroyer at that strength we would be dead not dying.

a guy that could feel no pain "absorbed the blows from an armored fisted batman" I don't see how that matters...

he was Strong just not as strong as he is being portrayed by most people. As for batman being armored that helped him a little not much though.

Well tbh if you want to go that route then there is NO evidence to prove bane is skilled at all except that the LOS is SUPPOSED to be highly skilled with no evidence to prove they are.

And there is nothing showing that Thor was superhuman in anything in his mortal form.

A human being could have easily replicated what happened to Thor depending during the Destroyer scene depending on the level the Destroyer hit them at. So Thor not outright dying from that scene doesn't prove outright he is Superhuman nor does anyother scene.

As for Bane's skill I don't know what you're trying to get at.

My point was that Thor did nothing to suggest he is any stronger or more skilled than Batman, and therefore based on Batman's performance against Bane I see the same outcome for Thor as what happened to Batman probably worse because Batman did have a suit of armor helping him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It is more valid to assume that he can't match Bane's feats if he hasn't shown them than it is to play some pissant game where we say "DUH WE DUNNO SO WE CANT SAY", that kind of thinking is anathema to theoretical versus battles.

No, it's more stupid to say "No he CAN'T punch through pillars" simply because he hasn't shown it. You're stating an absolute, which makes it stupid. It's the same thing as claiming that I can't run 1km simply coz you never saw me do it.

If a small expert martial artist like Bruce Lee can shatter a whole block of ice with a one inch punch, it's not really an insane feat for a big expert martial artist like Bane to punch through a not-fully-concrete pillar... especially if he doesn't feel pain.

Just to be clear though, I still believe Bane will eventually win the fight. I just think that Thor would put up a way better fight than an out of shape Batman did.

Originally posted by FrothByte

If a small expert martial artist like Bruce Lee can shatter a whole block of ice with a one inch punch

IIRC, that's another legend that grew due to Bruce Lee fanboys.

Unless you have some footage or a verified source?

Originally posted by Newjak
He was beaten worse after Bane but that's ignoring the point I was making comparing the Destroyer's hit to a low end car crash.

My point was that Thor could have been human still taken that hit from the destroyer without outright dying.

No. taking into account my point that is. The point of all of that was me comparing Banes upper limits to The Destroyers lower limits. Even at The Destroyers lower limits a person of normal durability would die. A normal humans threshold for pain before death is as little as 5 mph(assuming you are getting hit direct without moving) and I believe it typically takes about 1000 newtons of pressure to kill someone. So to get the same result as what happened to Thor you would need to be capable of taking more then 1000 newtons without death. To hit something with the same results as what happened to thor on something that weighs 175 pounds you would need to exert around 12000 newtons of force. Like I said a normal person would be dead not dieing.

Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, that's another legend that grew due to Bruce Lee fanboys.

Unless you have some footage or a verified source?

Just the videos they used to show on his biography... but then you could argue that those could have been edited videos. But then there's also Mas Oyama who's able to kill a bull with one punch to the head. He can also chop off the bull's horns with his knife hands. I believe this guy has videos on youtube, I'll see if I can dig him up.

You also have shaolin monks who are able to throw sewing needles through glass. Muay Thai experts have been known to kick at gas tanks without damaging their shins.

All I'm trying to say, is that a human trained properly enough can probably duplicate Bane's feat of punching through a (not purely) concrete pillar... or if not duplicate it at least come close to it. So I disagree on him having superhuman strength.

Even carrying batman in a military press is something we see all the time in WWE.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
No. taking into account my point that is. The point of all of that was me comparing Banes upper limits to The Destroyers lower limits. Even at The Destroyers lower limits a person of normal durability would die. A normal humans threshold for pain before death is as little as 5 mph(assuming you are getting hit direct without moving) and I believe it typically takes about 1000 newtons of pressure to kill someone. So to get the same result as what happened to Thor you would need to be capable of taking more then 1000 newtons without death. To hit something with the same results as what happened to thor on something that weighs 175 pounds you would need to exert around 12000 newtons of force. Like I said a normal person would be dead not dieing.

Secondly I would like to see where you got your numbers from?

Thirdly obviously it can happen considering humans beings get hit by cars and don't outright die even if they get tossed in the air. Obviously they get messed up but than again so was Thor.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm saying that Bane punches with Superman human strength, and a normal human wouldn't be able to take a direct hit without being seriously hurt.

And there is nothing showing that Thor was superhuman in anything in his mortal form.

A human being could have easily replicated what happened to Thor depending during the Destroyer scene depending on the level the Destroyer hit them at. So Thor not outright dying from that scene doesn't prove outright he is Superhuman nor does anyother scene.

As for Bane's skill I don't know what you're trying to get at.

My point was that Thor did nothing to suggest he is any stronger or more skilled than Batman, and therefore based on Batman's performance against Bane I see the same outcome for Thor as what happened to Batman probably worse because Batman did have a suit of armor helping him.

And I am saying he most certainly is not as strong as that. The fact that batman only had two bruises on his face after being punched that many times calls into question that bane punches are "at a superhuman level". As with bats armor on he was still VERY bruised after impact with that pillar and bane only had put two small bruises on bats face after multiple punches.

I quote you at saying "there is nothing to suggest that Thor has a huge skill advantage" that is what I was referring to. If you want to make that argument then tbh you can't prove that Bane was all that skilled.

Originally posted by Newjak
What exactly is the Destroyer's lower limit?

Secondly I would like to see where you got your numbers from?

Thirdly obviously it can happen considering humans beings get hit by cars and don't outright die even if they get tossed in the air. Obviously they get messed up but than again so was Thor.

First I have no Idea I am just going on what you say. You said that hit was probably the equivalent of a low speed car crash. That was off the top of my head but ok I will post a source. I didn't think you would take me at face value anyways. show me an instance that in real life a person was thrown like Thor was after an impact. You can't because nobody in real life can get hit that hard and thrown that distance with out outright death.

You're twisting his words. That's not what he said at all. He's not saying it's the equivalent to a car crash, he's saying how people can withstand massive, life-threatening trauma and still remain conscious, so Thor not immediately dying after getting backhanded by the Destroyer isn't anything exceptionally impressive

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
nobody in real life can get hit that hard and thrown that distance with out outright death.

Pretty sure Thor was outright dying, so......

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
And I am saying he most certainly is not as strong as that. The fact that batman only had two bruises on his face after being punched that many times calls into question that bane punches are "at a superhuman level". As with bats armor on he was still VERY bruised after impact with that pillar and bane only had put two small bruises on bats face after multiple punches.

I quote you at saying "there is nothing to suggest that Thor has a huge skill advantage" that is what I was referring to. If you want to make that argument then tbh you can't prove that Bane was all that skilled.

The one he got right back up from or the one he was crippled for weeks possibly months after.

I said there is no sign that Thor has enough of a skill advantage to overcome the physical inequalities which there isn't. What I can prove is that Thor isn't and wasn't shown to be any more skilled or any stronger than Batman.

For one Thor takes on highly trained Shield Agents Batman takes on Highly trained Ninjas. Most people are gonna push that.

Strength feats Batman has the chest fly from hell when he saved Ras from falling over the cliff.

Thor has no strength feats. Since he was mortal and has no feats we can only safely assume he had the strength of a normal human being of his size and build.

So he's not stronger than Batman.

So Thor isn't any better than Batman so what makes you think he 's going to fair any better in this fight?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
First I have no Idea I am just going on what you say. You said that hit was probably the equivalent of a low speed car crash. That was off the top of my head but ok I will post a source. I didn't think you would take me at face value anyways. show me an instance that in real life a person was thrown like Thor was after an impact. You can't because nobody in real life can get hit that hard and thrown that distance with out outright death.

Anyways as for the proof that human being can survive a similar situation to Thor. This should pretty much end that particular point.

YouTube video

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just the videos they used to show on his biography... but then you could argue that those could have been edited videos. But then there's also Mas Oyama who's able to kill a bull with one punch to the head. He can also chop off the bull's horns with his knife hands. I believe this guy has videos on youtube, I'll see if I can dig him up.

You also have shaolin monks who are able to throw sewing needles through glass. Muay Thai experts have been known to kick at gas tanks without damaging their shins.

All I'm trying to say, is that a human trained properly enough can probably duplicate Bane's feat of punching through a (not purely) concrete pillar... or if not duplicate it at least come close to it. So I disagree on him having superhuman strength.

Even carrying batman in a military press is something we see all the time in WWE.

Which Lee Biography shows him smashing ice blocks?

Originally posted by Newjak

Secondly I would like to see where you got your numbers from?

My apologies, my math was pretty far off lol here you go.

Originally posted by Newjak

Secondly I would like to see where you got your numbers from?

My apologies, my math was pretty far off lol here you go.
http://preventdisease.com/news/10/021610_knockout_humans_take_a_punch.shtml

That vid was good but iirc didn't Thor go flying A LOT farther?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
My apologies, my math was pretty far off lol here you go.

My apologies, my math was pretty far off lol here you go.
http://preventdisease.com/news/10/021610_knockout_humans_take_a_punch.shtml

That vid was good but iirc didn't Thor go flying A LOT farther?

Thor didn't seem to really go further they both seemed be roughly the same height in the air.

Originally posted by Newjak
You mean the Pillar incident where he got back up and jumped on top of a moving van, yet after the Bane fight he was so beaten up he couldn't move without crying in pain nor even stand. You really wanna compare after which scene Bruce was hurt more?

The one he got right back up from or the one he was crippled for weeks possibly months after.

I said there is no sign that Thor has enough of a skill advantage to overcome the physical inequalities which there isn't. What I can prove is that Thor isn't and wasn't shown to be any more skilled or any stronger than Batman.

For one Thor takes on highly trained Shield Agents Batman takes on Highly trained Ninjas. Most people are gonna push that.

Strength feats Batman has the chest fly from hell when he saved Ras from falling over the cliff.

Thor has no strength feats. Since he was mortal and has no feats we can only safely assume he had the strength of a normal human being of his size and build.

So he's not stronger than Batman.

So Thor isn't any better than Batman so what makes you think he 's going to fair any better in this fight?

But it can be entirely argued that batman didn't show more skill then any normal black belt either.

Neither Shield agents nor the ninja showed any skill. The Ninja were put down rather easily as were the shield agents. How can you say which showed more skill without outright bias?

Bats strength feat is ok but Im pretty sure it had something to do with him bracing with his other arm.

He was crippled because of his back being broken. No reason to believe his fist did anything but wear him down as there was a lack of a "busted up" look afterwards. He had a few small bruises big deal.

I believe that he doesn't have a desire to die, He lives to fight, you have zero proof that batman is anymore skilled then Thor, and Thor didn't just get back from being a cripple. Not to mention this is a straight up fight. They both have (limited) knowledge of each other and start the fight knowing they will be fighting each other. That is why he has a much better chance then batman did.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thanks for the link.

Thor didn't seem to really go further they both seemed be roughly the same height in the air.

no prob.

ok my bad then. But I had this image in my head of Thor flying half a street backwards. I tried to check through a video but I couldn't find it. S

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
But it can be entirely argued that batman didn't show more skill then any normal black belt either.

Neither Shield agents nor the ninja showed any skill. The Ninja were put down rather easily as were the shield agents. How can you say which showed more skill without outright bias?

Bats strength feat is ok but Im pretty sure it had something to do with him bracing with his other arm.

He was crippled because of his back being broken. No reason to believe his fist did anything but wear him down as there was a lack of a "busted up" look afterwards. He had a few small bruises big deal.

I believe that he doesn't have a desire to die, He lives to fight, you have zero proof that batman is anymore skilled then Thor, and Thor didn't just get back from being a cripple. Not to mention this is a straight up fight. They both have (limited) knowledge of each other and start the fight knowing they will be fighting each other. That is why he has a much better chance then batman did.

So all we know is that Shield agents and LOS Ninjas are supposed to be some of the best trained fighters in the world and are human level stat wise. Which generally means in that case Thor and Batman fought pretty much the same foe. Trained human cannon fodder so I wouldn't give one an advantage over the other. So saying push is being unbiased imo.

He was bracing with his other arm but that was my point Batman has a strength Thor has none. So we can't assume a featless guy is stronger than someone who actually does a feat.

He didn't just have a couple of bruises. His head was bleeding. He was beat up so bad he didn't wake up until Bane had already brought him half way around the world. Also Bane managed to crack Batman's armored helmet with his blows. Imagine if Bruce didn't have that armor. He would have been looking at a cracked skull instead of a cracked helmet.

I'm not trying to say Batman is more skilled than Thor, even though he probably is, what I said was there is no reason to believe that Thor is better than Batman. Which means at best he is going to do as well as Batman. Which wasn't very good.

And simply cause he has limited knowledge on who he fighting isn't going to change anything. It's not gonna make him throw a harder punch, or become more skilled, or some manifest anti-Bane powers.

Originally posted by Newjak
You're right they didn't show any skill.

So all we know is that Shield agents and LOS Ninjas are supposed to be some of the best trained fighters in the world and are human level stat wise. Which generally means in that case Thor and Batman fought pretty much the same foe. Trained human cannon fodder so I wouldn't give one an advantage over the other. So saying push is being unbiased imo.

He was bracing with his other arm but that was my point Batman has a strength Thor has none. So we can't assume a featless guy is stronger than someone who actually does a feat.

He didn't just have a couple of bruises. His head was bleeding. He was beat up so bad he didn't wake up until Bane had already brought him half way around the world. Also Bane managed to crack Batman's armored helmet with his blows. Imagine if Bruce didn't have that armor. He would have been looking at a cracked skull instead of a cracked helmet.

I'm not trying to say Batman is more skilled than Thor, even though he probably is, what I said was there is no reason to believe that Thor is better than Batman. Which means at best he is going to do as well as Batman. Which wasn't very good.

And simply cause he has limited knowledge on who he fighting isn't going to change anything. It's not gonna make him throw a harder punch, or become more skilled, or some manifest anti-Bane powers.

But in the real world(where TDKR is suppose to be grounded in) a man with a bigger build and bigger muscles is stronger physically. But Thor does indeed lack the feats. But as you said for as far as we can tell they are equally skilled but I would lean in Thors favor as he was raised in a violent fighting environment. So he was actually raised fighting. And I think it would be a fair presumption that The best fighters in a realistic world would be less then The best fighters in a world that is unrealistic. But without proof neither can be argued over the other really.

No its not just the knowledge of bane it's also not having a death wish, he in fact lives to fight, and his body is not in as bad physical shape as bruce's...coming back from being a cripple....

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
But in the real world(where TDKR is suppose to be grounded in) a man with a bigger build and bigger muscles is stronger physically.

For once Mindset is correct. Dennis Rogers who is smaller than both Tom Hardy and Christian Bale can perform feats of strength (eg rolling up a frying pan, bending chisels) that much larger and more muscular men can't come close to.

Dennis rogers strength stems from an unnatural ability to gather and use more muscle fibers then a normal person.....

generally it doesn't work like that.