Originally posted by -Pr-
WWH was a PIS ridden mess. You don't agree?
Originally posted by The SorrowIt's not that people hate him. If you look through the posts youll notice that most people say he loses only via BFR, they don't believe that every team can actually hurt him. But there is no logical reason outside of PIS why Hulk wouldn't lose to team 4 every single time. It's perfectly in character for Raven to dump powerful foes in other dimensions. Don't even wanna start on what she could do to him CIS off.
Hulk could conceivably get to 8 it all depends on his mindset really, with CIS on he should stop at 5 or 6.I'd say if nothing else this thread shows there is some sort of underlying hate/dislike for the Hulk as a character or maybe it's towards Carver i'm not sure. Hasn't this kind of thread been done several times before? Seems pretty pointless besides an opportunity to downplay the WWH arc even moreso than it already has been.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Looking at it purely from a battleboard sense yeah sure but none moreso than some other instances of high heralds beating an assortment of equally powerful heroes, yet they don't seem to attract the same level of lowballing and criticism. Hulk's power and character have progressed a lot since his dumb days yet for whatever reason some seem intent to keep him at those levels to maintain some sort of status quo.
Pretty much. Don't hear these things being said when it comes to Doomsday, Despero, or any other brick...its only Hulk.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Looking at it purely from a battleboard sense yeah sure but none moreso than some other instances of high heralds beating an assortment of equally powerful heroes, yet they don't seem to attract the same level of lowballing and criticism. Hulk's power and character have progressed a lot since his dumb days yet for whatever reason some seem intent to keep him at those levels to maintain some sort of status quo.
Nobody's trying to lowball Hulk. He's still at the power level he's at.
Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. Don't hear these things being said when it comes to Doomsday, Despero, or any other brick...its only Hulk.
They didn't have shitty storylines built around them just to make them look good.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
isn't that a personal preference? it damn sure isn't fact
The first one or the latter?
If the former, I don't see anyone bar trolls trying to make Hulk look bad.
If the latter... You really think WWH was a good series that was a good, accurate representation of how the Hulk's invasion could have gone?
i see nothing inherently wrong with it. it was a simple premise and simple depiction of what everyone thought would happen: "what's going to happen when the hulk comes back?" well, he was pretty phuckin' mad so he smashed. anyone who wanted shakespeare-esqe storytelling from a revenge arc is buggin
pak was addressing almost everything and everyone in the entire history of the hulk comic that affected his life, and at the same time he was ending that chapter and making a a new one.
however, compared to AvX it is julius caesar
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i see nothing inherently wrong with it. it was a simple premise and simple depiction of what everyone thought would happen: "what's going to happen when the hulk comes back?" well, he was pretty phuckin' mad so he smashed. anyone who wanted shakespeare-esqe storytelling from a revenge arc is bugginpak was addressing almost everything and everyone in the entire history of the hulk comic that affected his life, and at the same time he was ending that chapter and making a a new one.
however, compared to AvX it is julius caesar
I'm sorry, i really don't agree. After the excellence that was Planet Hulk, WWH was a PIS-ridden disappointment, and what made it worse was that I knew Pak was capable of doing better.
Of course now, I tend to think of Planet Hulk being a fluke, tbh.
Originally posted by keiththegreatthe irony is that he was too dead to even get brushed aside trying to prove he can out muscle his old rival
Thank god Thor was dead during WWH or he would have been embarassed even worse than in this P5 story arc.
Originally posted by -Pr-without examples it's really hard to see that viewpoint as nothing other than "i just didn't like it"
I'm sorry, i really don't agree. After the excellence that was Planet Hulk, WWH was a PIS-ridden disappointment, and what made it worse was that I knew Pak was capable of doing better.Of course now, I tend to think of Planet Hulk being a fluke, tbh.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
without examples it's really hard to see that viewpoint as nothing other than "i just didn't like it"
You mean as opposed to the other threads where I gave examples?
Fine:
Sentry being the big bad.
The ending that was shoe-horned in to make the Illuminati somewhat innocent.
The general tone, characterisation etc of various characters (my biggest issue).
The X-Men tie-in where everyone fought like idiots/were badly written.
The manner in which Hulk won half of his fights, in the main story and the tie-ins.