Originally posted by -Pr-sentry was an x-factor as he was a new character in publication that was being touted as a character from the golden age with long history in the marvel universe, as well as being one of the hulk's personal friends. then his ambiguous power and schizophrenia gets thrown in and well... whatever
Sentry being the big bad.
Originally posted by -Pr-it wasn't perfect but he had to not only make things nice again (being an arc), but then he had the next arc start right there for the next writer to come in. it was also a close on the illuminati as a team since a lot of unfavorable things happened to their plans, all of which were with the best intentions
The ending that was shoe-horned in to make the Illuminati somewhat innocent.
Originally posted by -Pr-personal taste
The general tone, characterisation etc of various characters (my biggest issue).
Originally posted by -Pr-this is a topic unto itself. they tried using lethal maneuvers and they failed, and a lot of them are fodder fighting someone that powerful. we can go into lengths in another thread
The X-Men tie-in where everyone fought like idiots/were badly written.
a lot of posters say "bfr him". that is where this whole thing started to begin with, and doesn't factor in personality and morals heroes have, another reason why hulk was so mad when he came back as he felt morals were tossed out so he wanted to let them taste the barbarism he was forced to endure
Originally posted by -Pr-hulk has been a team wrecker since day one, and a lot of the characters assembled failed to beat him at a lower level of power, and lower intellect. it would be a crime for him to be threatened at the power he is at now
The manner in which Hulk won half of his fights, in the main story and the tie-ins.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
sentry was an x-factor as he was a new character in publication that was being touted as a character from the golden age with long history in the marvel universe, as well as being one of the hulk's personal friends. then his ambiguous power and schizophrenia gets thrown in and well... whateverit wasn't perfect but he had to not only make things nice again (being an arc), but then he had the next arc start right there for the next writer to come in. it was also a close on the illuminati as a team since a lot of unfavorable things happened to their plans, all of which were with the best intentions
personal taste
this is a topic unto itself. they tried using lethal maneuvers and they failed, and a lot of them are fodder fighting someone that powerful. we can go into lengths in another thread
hulk has been a team wrecker since day one, and a lot of the characters assembled failed to beat him at a lower level of power, and lower intellect.
So you're making excuses for WWH, then? You don't think there was large amounts of PIS involved?
So how do you view the arc?
Originally posted by -Pr-it just seems that the level of criticism is unfair, especially when it's almost an extended version of the beloved death of superman, but told from doomsday's perspective.
So you're making excuses for WWH, then? You don't think there was large amounts of PIS involved?So how do you view the arc?
large amounts? no. small little things? sure, why not.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it just seems that the level of criticism is unfair, especially when it's almost an extended version of the beloved death of superman, but told from doomsday's perspective.large amounts? no. small little things? sure, why not.
Death of Superman was different, though, in one big capacity (at least from my opinion): Doomsday was written up to kill Superman, whereas it felt like most, if not everyone, was written down to fight Hulk.
I'm not saying Hulk couldn't have won, just that the manner in which it was done was honestly disappointing.
hulk already beat 70% of them before, though, so at the time only pak knew hulk was holding back so be thankful that they weren't killed by the footsteps in issue #1
poison = gets burned out of his system
mind rape = rages out of it
physical confrontations = crumble before him
plot metal and exotic attacks = heals the damage if it can even harm him
what's left?
the fight with onslaught was a dead giveaway to what he could muster compared to everyone else fighting for their lives
Originally posted by psycho gundam
hulk already beat 70% of them before, though, so at the time only pak knew hulk was holding back so be thankful that they weren't killed by the footsteps in issue #1poison = gets burned out of his system
mind rape = rages out of it
physical confrontations = crumble before him
plot metal and exotic attacks = heals the damage if it can even harm him
what's left?
the fight with onslaught was a dead giveaway to what he could muster compared to everyone else fighting for their lives
i have no problem with Hulk winning, like I said.
Zom Strange, Sentry, the X-Men; I can see Hulk beating them all. It was how it was written, that annoyed me; not the result.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'd agree Hulk definitely could grow a LOT stronger, but then IMO we're not talking about WWH anymore. Where do we draw the line between WWH and WBH?
I really don't think about it too much.
That said, I don't think standard Sentry is as strong as WWH. Had it been me writing it, it would have been akin to a fight between Superman and Doomsday, just with more energy projection on the side of Sentry, with him just being flat out unable to put down Hulk.
Plus, the guys that have been assembled here have the ability to BFR him, or have weird exotic abilities like the lasso. Of all the people WWH fought, they were all physical brawls, so if we wrote the DC guys down to be brawlers, yes, Hulk has a very good chance.
I mean, look at Strange. When it came down to his fight, the writer had to crush his hands in order to turn his spellcasting off and into a brawler.
Had Thor been there, he brought another dimension to things, I.e. BFR. It isn't us hating the Hulk, or trying to keep him in his place, it's just that he faces a much more varied power set here. Fine, Sentry was unable to throw him into Space for whatever reason. He now faces a team of 5 Sentry level characters....and you still say it's impossible??
Originally posted by -Pr-👆 Would pay to read that fight.
I really don't think about it too much.That said, I don't think standard Sentry is as strong as WWH. Had it been me writing it, it would have been akin to a fight between Superman and Doomsday, just with more energy projection on the side of Sentry, with him just being flat out unable to put down Hulk.
I mean, Pixie was there; she was teleporting people in. What would have happened if she'd done the same thing she tried on Kuurth?
Elixir actually managed to turn his healing factor down. Then Beast told him to go back inside. Wut?
Essentially, look at how the X-Men tried to deal with Kuurth, and put WWH in K's place. The fight would've been much shorter. Instead, they sent rockslide to duke it out....
so, i take it only cyborg superman was smart enough to toss doomsday into the void of space on a trajectory where he wouldn't interact with anything (plot still brought him back, go figure). superman rather get his head caved in than resort to that, right?
might as well apply this logic across the board