Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's true, but again, Guy's speed bending/distorting space in the manner that it did would require him to be moving at relativistic+ speeds. And, put bluntly, Madara was able to react to that.And Sasuke is far faster than Madara was at this point.
I've never gotten anything beyond MHS from Naruto, so I'm not inclined to believe you.
Either way...
Originally posted by NewGuy01
So, uh, what's MHS? 😮
Massively hypersonic.
Forgive me, but these sudden claims of relativity come as news to me, and given that it's directly beneath lightspeed, I find it practically impossible to buy.
Outside of those who thought Naruto could planet bust, I've never crossed it.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's true, but again, Guy's speed bending/distorting space in the manner that it did would require him to be moving at relativistic+ speeds. And, put bluntly, Madara was able to react to that.And Sasuke is far faster than Madara was at this point.
oh yea i forgot about that interesting point
Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's true, but again, Guy's speed bending/distorting space in the manner that it did would require him to be moving at relativistic+ speeds. And, put bluntly, Madara was able to react to that.And Sasuke is far faster than Madara was at this point.
I will need to see a scan of this, because I've read through all of the manga in multiple translations, and this was never stated anywhere by anyone.
If you are referring to the Night Guy tech, that was nowhere near relativistic.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I will need to see a scan of this, because I've read through all of the manga in multiple translations, and this was never stated anywhere by anyone.If you are referring to the Night Guy tech, that was nowhere near relativistic.
idk if it was releavistic or not but it could be something to think about because madara did state that gai distorted space when he moved
Originally posted by BloodRain
No, its just if the scenes aren't massively inconsistent, whats the issue? Probably half of the feats we use are just as skewed, difference being lower results.
Inconsistency and repeated calc stacking leading to idiotic numbers > no calcs and no idiotic numbers. Gotcha. 👆
And to be honest, if you take the roots as being 63 km because of that first scan with the barrier, then it is "massively inconsistent" with the rest of the scans which show the Tree and its roots to be far smaller than 1000+km and 63km respectively.
Originally posted by BloodRain
His CoAT was an ability, not any power amp, only what combining with the Yang chakra does.
CoAT was simply an example of his mastery over Yin-Yang Release, which is part of the ability that let Juubi Obito nullify ninjutsu (something Hagoromo will also have). That is a significant advantage that Sasuke does not have seeing as Sasuke cannot use Yin-Yang Release.
Originally posted by BloodRain
So yeah, half of Hags/Kurama's chakra and sage mode. Obviously Hags is more powerful, why does that have to mean Sasuke cant be close? Sasuke near enough on a continental+ Madara's level before he absorbed the tailed beasts.
The level of energy required to 'Moon bust' is between 80-15000 times more than what's required to 'continent bust'.
Then there's the fact that Sasuke never actually demonstrates either level of raw destructive energy, not with Chibaku Tensei or Perfect Susanoo. Maybe a case can be made for Indra's Arrow, but we only saw the effect after Naruto's attacks had mixed in.
Originally posted by BloodRain
As strong as Moon+ Hags? No. But any amount of power above continental+ is getting closer to Moon level.
Here's what you're saying: 100,100 is above 100,000 and closer to 1,000,000 than 100,000 is.
But guess what, 100,100 is closer to 100,000 than it is to 1,000,000.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Given that Sasuke is stronger than that Madara, and his peak power was in some way compared to Hags.. his power must be close to Moon level, even at most.
Yes, Sasuke's merging of the Bijuu chakra was at the same level of Hagoromo's separation of the Juubi's chakra. How exactly that translates into Sasuke is <= Hagoromo in terms of overall power, I'll never know.
Is Hagoromo really Moon+? From what we know, his most destructive ability creates a Moon, and we don't know if said ability can be amped in any way by the Juubi's chakra and/or his vitality. It doesn't seem to be the case if we look at Naruto's and Sasuke's usage of the ability, since they created a Moon as large as the one Hagoromo created.
Despite Sasuke being weaker than Hagoromo, he's still Moon to Small Planet level? C'mon.
Even if you ignore the fact that DC isn't Sasuke's forte or the way he usually gets his major hits in, he's still never shown that level of destructive power.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Chidori went through a major boost, as did Susanoo. (Even without an amp constant town level flames can still be damaging to DB Goku)
Yeah, and we saw that those two techniques were stronger after he got the EMS/Rinnegan. Did we see Amaterasu itself get boosted when Sasuke used it without Naruto's involvement? No we did not.
And I honestly don't care about how Sasuke fares against any Goku. A Naruto character versus a DB character is almost as stale as Superman vs. Goku. Dunno why you're wasting your time with this. 😛
Originally posted by yungz22
when did he go faster than lighti dont remember.and i dont have to revise anything hax she would beat asura if he wasnt as fast as light
i was specifically talking about two traits hax and dc
When he was the size of a planet, and flew towards Chakravartin.
And if Asura wasn't strong enough to turn her into giblets her with a punch, which he is.
Cool. Then you're looking at this from a limited perspective.
Originally posted by stargun
Asura literally punched his way out of a pocket dimension at one point during his fight against Chakravartin, Naraka it was. Also one could argue his sheer size in Destructor form would render him immune to the imprisonment.
Re-read my post. I was talking about Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Inconsistency and repeated calc stacking leading to idiotic numbers > no calcs and no idiotic numbers. Gotcha. 👆And to be honest, if you take the roots as being 63 km because of that first scan with the barrier, then it is "massively inconsistent" with the rest of the scans which show the Tree and its roots to be far smaller than 1000+km and 63km respectively.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
CoAT was simply an example of his mastery over Yin-Yang Release, which is part of the ability that let Juubi Obito nullify ninjutsu (something Hagoromo will also have). That is a significant advantage that Sasuke does not have seeing as Sasuke cannot use Yin-Yang Release.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The level of energy required to 'Moon bust' is between 80-15000 times more than what's required to 'continent bust'.
Then there's the fact that Sasuke never actually demonstrates either level of raw destructive energy, not with Chibaku Tensei or Perfect Susanoo. Maybe a case can be made for Indra's Arrow, but we only saw the effect after Naruto's attacks had mixed in.Here's what you're saying: 100,100 is above 100,000 and closer to 1,000,000 than 100,000 is.
But guess what, 100,100 is closer to 100,000 than it is to 1,000,000.
In the general powerscaling we use, does he have to show this? If he shares the same ability and is on the 'same' level of power, it would be like any other powerscaling.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yes, Sasuke's merging of the Bijuu chakra was at the same level of Hagoromo's separation of the Juubi's chakra. How exactly that translates into Sasuke is <= Hagoromo in terms of overall power, I'll never know.Is Hagoromo really Moon+? From what we know, his most destructive ability creates a Moon, and we don't know if said ability can be amped in any way by the Juubi's chakra and/or his vitality. It doesn't seem to be the case if we look at Naruto's and Sasuke's usage of the ability, since they created a Moon as large as the one Hagoromo created.
Despite Sasuke being weaker than Hagoromo, he's still Moon to Small Planet level? C'mon.
Even if you ignore the fact that DC isn't Sasuke's forte or the way he usually gets his major hits in, he's still never shown that level of destructive power.
As above, the only difference force wise between Madara and Hags is Hags' own chakra. So its his own power that creates this gap.
The only difference between Madara and Sasuke is that Madara has sage mode where Sasuke has half of Hags' power.
Sasuke's placement would be half way between Madara and Hags, minus the amp that sage mode would give.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNo but its not some drastic assumption that the upgrade that has amped his physical stats and shown attacks might just do the same to his other techs.
Yeah, and we saw that those two techniques were stronger after he got the EMS/Rinnegan. Did we see Amaterasu itself get boosted when Sasuke used it without Naruto's involvement? No we did not.And I honestly don't care about how Sasuke fares against any Goku. A Naruto character versus a DB character is almost as stale as Superman vs. Goku. Dunno why you're wasting your time with this. 😛
Lol only because of new developments.. and how Naruto kept juicing up in the last 50 chapters. I find it interesting that the series, which has been at the lolcurbstompviaRoshi level nearly for its whole run can now take down a notable level of Goku. Even if its only DB, not Z.
Naruto would only need to be Island/Ma90 or Planet/Ma270 to be on par. The latter being above them, which is where hax comes in. Honestly I'm only interested in how peak Sasuke's hax would work on a Saiyan Saga Goku..
..until you came up to argue some ****ing feats sneer
Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually DP.. I'm not going to convince you about the roots calc, mainly as I don't fully like it. So where do you peg top tier speed at?And power too, assuming you do/don't believe Sasuke is roughly at the half-way point between Madara and Hags.
It's ridiculous. Pretty much all of his/her size/distance calcs are. Don't even get me started on those country size calcs or the 1 mile+ tall Perfect Susanoo.
Massively Hypersonic at best, IMO.
Nope, I don't believe Sasuke is halfway between those two, and apparently, Kishimoto himself did not believe Naruto and Sasuke together could take out Peak Juubi Madara.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
What? 63 km? Let's not be ridiculous. Isn't this crater the one created by the Hachibi's/Kyuubi's Biju Bomb?http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/47703/3454759-naruto+06.jpg
If it's not, please let me know. Also let me know what actually did cause it.
Nope. There are two craters. The one created by Gyuuki & Kurama (although, the Juubi used a bunch of attacks that might have caused it to widen) and is underneath the Tree.
No idea what caused that larger crater, but maybe it was the Juubi Tree's expansion.
