Sasuke (current) vs. Goku (at any stage)

Sasuke still traps Goku in a Genjustu, unless you beleive chakra is realated to ki, which is why Babade had no control over Vegeta (his powerlevel was weaker). Genjutsu is not related to ki, and has no realation to attacking the mind put the eye's, his eye's is the weakness, which he have no control over once he's caguht in the genjutsu unless he counter's it or Sasuke releases him from it.

You're showing durability feats but no strength feats. I can put Naruto character's taking hits and surviving them, and they're much more powerful than Goku's attacks.

Choji vs. Jirobo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDdxh0SIjPU&feature=related

This feat beats anything Goku has ever accomplished. Naruto chracter's have actaully destroyed hills (which is the only thing DBZ character's ever succeeded in doing), not moutains and survived unless it's involving chakra blasts.

Originally posted by dvampire
You're showing durability feats but no strength feats.

Originally posted by dvampire
I think Sasuke would win because of his eyes.

Oh god. That actually hurt my brain. A migraine just appeared out of nowhere.

I'm impressed in a morbid sort of way. I didn't think that was possible.

Anyway, Goku stomps. He's faster, stronger, and more powerful than Sasuke could ever dream of being.

You actually insult me for your own mistakes. Those aren't strength feats, but durability feats, character's taking punishment from another character's attack doesn't exactly prove that they are stronger, only that their offense is being used to gain an advantage in order to harm another, without any indication of showing how just how strong they really are.

Originally posted by Falcon Man
Oh god. That actually hurt my brain. A migraine just appeared out of nowhere.

I'm impressed in a morbid sort of way. I didn't think that was possible.

Anyway, Goku stomps. He's faster, stronger, and more powerful than Sasuke could ever dream of being.

It hurt you because you have no way of countering it, so your only response is to limit it by actually making it useless, basically ignoring that Sasuke actaully has the ability to use in the fight in order to win.

No one's saying Sasuke lacks the ability(even though he does lack the level head to use it like your suggesting). They're saying that Goku gives not a damn and will kill him regardless. By blitzing his head off since character apparently isn't a factor in this fight.

Then you've actaully been beaten by your own desire to win because you have no hope of Goku winning in a fair fight. You just ignored all Sasuke's abilities (genjutsu) in order to help Goku win. So Sasuke wins.

Lol. This thread is golden.

How? Goku IS faster than Sasuke and since you're not arguing with an in-character Sasuke, I'll argue with a bloodlusting, no holds bar Goku. And he will kill Sasuke and Sasuke will lose the fight because DBZ is far and away more powerful.

Originally posted by dvampire
You actually insult me for your own mistakes. Those aren't strength feats, but durability feats, character's taking punishment from another character's attack doesn't exactly prove that they are stronger, only that their offense is being used to gain an advantage in order to harm another, without any indication of showing how just how strong they really are.

Leveling plateaus with the shockwaves of your blows, kicking someone through two islands, demolishing a cliffside by kicking someone into it, those are strength feats.

Go the **** away.

😐

So in your books that sound nin uppercutting a 500 ton Choji is more impressive than Gotenks punching Buu so hard he vaporizes a huge creator that registers on a town level? Not to mention all those ki blasts they tank.

Are you intentionally missing the plot or is it just some Naruto fan-lust coming through?

Goku at his first tournament stomps any version of Sasuke.

Goku wins!

My god....

For the first time, I actually disagree with Dvamp here... Except for the post above this one.

First of all, you have repeatedly said that Ki does not correspond to Chakra right? Well then, how would Genjutsu work on Goku at all? I mean, Genjutsu works by manipulating the Chakra in the target's brain in order to create falsified signals, hence the illusions are created. If Goku has not one ounce of Chakra to manipulate, then the technique is effectively worthless.

However, if Equivelancy is evoked, as in both Chakra and Ki work as it says on the tin, and interacts in a compatible way, then there is nothing stopping Goku from breaking the Genjutsu with a power up, essentially forcing the energy in the direction he wants it to go, and since Goku's energy manipulation is far more advanced, experienced and on a far greater scale, he could easily shatter just about any genjutsu short of perhaps Tsuyukomi and Koto Amatsukami, one of which sasuke is terrible with, and the other he does not possess.

The other thing is that if Equivelancy is in play, then Goku's sensor ability should work just fine. And if this is the case, he can easily detect the invading Chakra of a Genjutsu.

I actually had a debate similar to this at length in SpaceBattles...

Kid Goku maybe? Goku is so much faster than sasuke though and has an enormous amount of raw power. Even as a kid.

The sharingan can let him predict the movements, but his body isny fast enough to react.

then there is nothing stopping Goku from breaking the Genjutsu with a power up, essentially forcing the energy in the direction he wants it to go, and since Goku's energy manipulation is far more advanced, experienced and on a far greater scale,

It is worth noting that powering up has never been presented as a method for escaping genjutsu. The method to escape has always been to cease the energy flow with superior control.

After all, increasing the amount a ton doesn't get rid of the small amount messing with your senses.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Kid Goku maybe? Goku is so much faster than sasuke though and has an enormous amount of raw power. Even as a kid.

The sharingan can let him predict the movements, but his body isny fast enough to react.

Early-DB Goku wasn't that fast.

I mean, he was very superhuman, but so's Sasuke.

Kid Goku was faster than mach 14 the moment he trashed Tao.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kid Goku was faster than mach 14 the moment he trashed Tao.

And I'll note that fast Naruto characters are double-digit mach, and Kid Goku had already improved noticeably from his start at that point.

Originally posted by Q99
And I'll note that fast Naruto characters are double-digit mach, and Kid Goku had already improved noticeably from his start at that point.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What makes you think fast Naruto characters are double-digit mach?

Here's a thread that puts base-Gai at at least mach 5.8.

Base Naruto at mach 4.1

There's also apparently a calc that puts Deva path Pain at mach 5.3, but I can't find the thread for that one.

Stuff like Gated Gai, A's rush, and Naruto's Kyuubi Chakra Mod top speed all blow those out of the water.

As for Sasuke himself, he's not on that tier, but he's still pretty high up there when he body flickers.