Super Skrull vs Iron Man

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes as it has always been stated that his powers are greater than the FF's but 100x greater? Over exaggerate much? If this is the case then it is not what you said but what I am saying. He would also be 100x strong than Ben. When was that ever shown on panel? In order for his feat to stand, wouldn't it be custom based on forum rules for him to have shown his ability to far outdo Reeds powers? Writers aren't scientists. Did you know that all stars produce anti matter? What was Johnny's Super Nova often compared to?

Besides why are you bringing up these anti matter bombs, and this and the other. The fight would never last that long to begin with. Tony would computationally map him out, and shut him down. Who cares about who is more powerful, that was never my argument. Being more powerful does not always win a fight. What would decide this is Tony's ability to shut SS down, and he has more than proven to be able to resort to this tactic in all the years that he has been around. However this Super Skrull that you are attempting to bring into play is beginning to resemble a trans level character, and not the Super Skrull. If that's your angle, then fine Tyrant wins.

On panel, he was shown stretching for hundreds of miles. On panel he was shown to have a power not even the Human Torch had, the antimatter fireball/bomb (you'll also notice the the SS can flame on in the vacuum of space with no outside tech, unlike the Torch). Those were the examples I used. Don't try to put words in my mouth regarding crap I never said.

The antimatter fireball is a power he has. He fires it off just like he would an normal fireball! How would he not have time to get off a standard attack like that?

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
No I agree he'd have the tech...somewhere. All of the stuff you've mentioned is stuff he's done with prep, which he doesn't have here. With prep time sure Tony could whip something up, but here he's just got what's in his current armour, which has not been shown to have any specific anti Skrull defences or weaponry.

And Tony's usual offensive stuff (repulsors, uni beam etc) is not going to be enough to put Kl'rt down, whereas Kl'rt can do some serious damage to Tony.

How many suits does Tony have? You see the tricky thing about arguing Iron Man is that you have to factor in Tony. Iron Man is Tony, and if the Super Skrull pops up into town you can bet that one of the worlds greatest minds isn't going to put on his Thor buster. He's going to put on a suit capable of defeating a foe that he has not just read about, but studied in depth. This is the tricky thing about CISless battles. Just remember that Tony is Iron man, Iron Man is not Tony, or we might as well send Rhodey in his stead, and expect him to do as well in as many scenarios.

Be that as it may, he'd need prep to even grab an "anti specific armor". Otherwise, it's standard everything. Bats can't grab his Green K in a fight with Supes, without prep, can he?

No prep time given in this fight.

In the recent AvsX, we can assume Stark prepared for X-confrontations, and in other cases like WWH or his fight with Black Panther (Plastic armor nullify anti metal claws, stealth tech) he had reason and time to prepare.

But here, this is just a random fight.. Starks good, but he's not Adam West Batman, carrying anti-everything loadouts all the time.

Originally posted by zopzop
WTF are you talking about?

On panel, he was shown stretching for hundreds of miles. On panel he was shown to have a power not even the Human Torch had, the antimatter fireball/bomb (you'll also notice the the SS can flame on in the vacuum of space with no outside tech, unlike the Torch). Those were the examples I used. Don't try to put words in my mouth regarding crap I never said.

The antimatter fireball is a power he has. He fires it off just like he would an normal fireball! How would he not have time to get off a standard attack like that?

Tony has software that can map muscular twitch fibers like he did with Steve, and before SS attempted anything he would be shot in the mouth, face, ass, you name it. CISless remember? What about airborne breathable nanites? Who said that he had to stick him with them? The concept behind nanites are that they are as small a blood cells. That's pretty small, so unless the Super... I mean Trans Skrull has somehow developed microscopic Superman vision, he won't see when, or know when or how his powers have seemingly stopped working. Power isn't everything when you have the tech or tools to shut them down.

Originally posted by cdtm
Be that as it may, he'd need prep to even grab an "anti specific armor". Otherwise, it's standard everything. Bats can't grab his Green K in a fight with Supes, without prep, can he?

No prep time given in this fight.

In the recent AvsX, we can assume Stark prepared for X-confrontations, and in other cases like WWH or his fight with Black Panther (Plastic armor nullify anti metal claws, stealth tech) he had reason and time to prepare.

But here, this is just a random fight.. Starks good, but he's not Adam West Batman, carrying anti-everything loadouts all the time.

My point exactly, even with CIS off Tony isn't carrying his entire armoury with him at all times.

Originally posted by cdtm
Be that as it may, he'd need prep to even grab an "anti specific armor". Otherwise, it's standard everything. Bats can't grab his Green K in a fight with Supes, without prep, can he?

No prep time given in this fight.

In the recent AvsX, we can assume Stark prepared for X-confrontations, and in other cases like WWH or his fight with Black Panther (Plastic armor nullify anti metal claws, stealth tech) he had reason and time to prepare.

But here, this is just a random fight.. Starks good, but he's not Adam West Batman, carrying anti-everything loadouts all the time.

Every armor that Tony has is standard issue. he uses them for any given situation which is why he built so many of them. Are there armors that SS could defeat? Of course but over all Tony has the tech to shut SS down. This isn't Batman, Thor, Hal Jordan, it's Tony Stark.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tony has software that can map muscular twitch fibers like he did with Steve, and before SS attempting anything he would be shot in the mouth, fact, ass, you name it. CISless remember? What about airborne breathable nanites? Who said that he had to stick him with them? The concept behind nanites are that they are as small a blood cells. That's pretty small, so unless the Super... I mean Trans Skrull has somehow developed microscopic Superman vision, he won't see when, or know when or how his powers have seemingly stopped working. Power isn't everything when you have the tech or tools to shut them down.

Originally posted by Stoic
What about airborne breathable nanites?

O_o Does SS even need to breath?

Leaning towards Stark.

Originally posted by Stoic
Every armor that Tony has is standard issue. he uses them for any given situation which is why he built so many of them. Are there armors that SS could defeat? Of course but over all Tony has the tech to shut SS down. This isn't Batman, Thor, Hal Jordan, it's Tony Stark.

Back to the Batman example, he could beat Wolverine with Mr. Freezes cold gun. He has one in his armory..

The reason Batman can't use it, is the same reason Stark can't touch his specialty armors, unless the OP lays down rules claiming he can.

Basically, it's on your to prove Stark always carries nanotech around, and can manipulate them on the fly to affect anyone he wants..

Originally posted by cdtm
O_o Does SS even need to breath?

Originally posted by zopzop
PIS and CIS off, he'd never get a chance to lay a finger on SS. Let's see Tony get through IW's force fields (with no prep), then we'll talk.

You would have a case and a very strong one if he did not explicitly know Sue, or anything about the Super Skrull, but as we all know, Tony has built suits for the Hulk, Magneto, Xavier, under water adventures, stealth, the list goes on and on. The Super Skrull is fighting Tony Stark, and as I mentioned Tony is Iron Man not the other way around. Tony built something for Galactus. Just something to think about, and it's not as if he needs precious time to change suits, he could just techno-pathically refit while in combat. CIS off as it is.

Originally posted by zopzop
I would think not, seeing as how he routinely flies around in space unaided by any observable tech.

Does he have blood? A nervous system? we know that he at least has a nervous system or pain would not register.

Originally posted by cdtm
Back to the Batman example, he could beat Wolverine with Mr. Freezes cold gun. He has one in his armory..

The reason Batman can't use it, is the same reason Stark can't touch his specialty armors, unless the OP lays down rules claiming he can.

Basically, it's on your to prove Stark always carries nanotech around, and can manipulate them on the fly to affect anyone he wants..

Originally posted by Stoic
You would have a case and a very strong one if he did not explicitly know Sue, or anything about the Super Skrull, but as we all know, Tony has built suits for the Hulk, Magneto, Xavier, under water adventures, stealth, the list goes on and on. The Super Skrull is fighting Tony Stark, and as I mentioned Tony is Iron Man not the other way around. Tony built something for Galactus. Just something to think about, and it's not as if he needs precious time to change suits, he could just techno-pathically refit while in combat. CIS off as it is.

Originally posted by Stoic
Does he have blood? A nervous system? we know that he at least has a nervous system or pain would not register.

Originally posted by zopzop
How would he get to him? Even ignoring SS's shapeshifting and super elastic body, how would he get through SS's FF (PIS and CIS are off remember)?

By not being able to be detected. Therefore unless SS always flies around with shields up Captain, he's going to be outsmarted, outgunned, out-shined, and locked down.

Originally posted by zopzop
I would think not, seeing as how he routinely flies around in space unaided by any observable tech.

I could be wrong though but I distinctly remember that.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think he does need to breath. If I remember correctly in Annihilation he used his ff powers to create an air bubble around his face.

I could be wrong though but I distinctly remember that.

Originally posted by Stoic
I bet SS could beat a bunch of GL's just not the ones that matter, then again so could Iron Man, but let's not turn our attentions to a character, and power set that does not exist in this thread as some way of taking measure. SS would lose due to IM's ability to shut him down, if we're going the CISless route. And when I say shut him down, I mean every single time.

SS wouldn't be able to even get off a shot without IM knowing before he ever made the attempt, His only chance is to be able to go undetected via invisibility, but does that mask his heat signature, or other bio signatures? A whole lot of people may not understand, or realize what a CISless up to date IM brings to the table. For the record, it's more than SS could ever begin to bargain for.

He was able to surround a ship in a bubble then alter the bubbles shape to break open the ship and remove the pilot almost like a hand.

As for this Tony Stark is Ironman and Ironman is not Tony Stark idea. We get what you are saying but what other people are saying is that the tech you are talking about is very specific to the characters he was fighting and he had that tech due to prep using specialty armors. This isn't a prep fight. This would be Tony as he is normally depicted randomly meeting and fighting SS without any previous prep.

So unless you can prove Tony can whip out any previous tech from his specialty armors on the fly than Tony can't use them in this fight.

Originally posted by zopzop
If true, that's moronic (I'm not calling you moronic, I'm calling the writer moronic), because it goes against all the times he's fought in space with no tech and was just fine with the lack of oxygen there (note that he can flame on in a vacuum without tech too).