Super Skrull vs Iron Man

Originally posted by zopzop
If true, that's moronic (I'm not calling you moronic, I'm calling the writer moronic), because it goes against all the times he's fought in space with no tech and was just fine with the lack of oxygen there (note that he can flame on in a vacuum without tech too).

TBH it's moronic that a flame could even exist without an atmosphere in space to begin with.

Originally posted by Newjak
I wasn't referring to him beating them I was referring to the fact he can and has used his FF in a similar manner to a GL construct.

He was able to surround a ship in a bubble then alter the bubbles shape to break open the ship and remove the pilot almost like a hand.

As for this Tony Stark is Ironman and Ironman is not Tony Stark idea. We get what you are saying but what other people are saying is that the tech you are talking about is very specific to the characters he was fighting and he had that tech due to prep using specialty armors. This isn't a prep fight. This would be Tony as he is normally depicted randomly meeting and fighting SS without any previous prep.

So unless you can prove Tony can whip out any previous tech from his specialty armors on the fly than Tony can't use them in this fight.

The Super Skrull is very impressive, and very powerful, this has never been my argument, but Stark has ways of getting around a character that can not detect him. With CIS off Stark never ever has to allow SS a chance of seeing him, while he would have several ways to see SS even while cloaked with invisibility like Sue's. It's not as if Tony has never met the FF, or read in depth Avenger's files on the Super Skrull. Tony would put him in the Negative Zone faster than you would believe at first. If he can time and again lock a guy up that's made of light, he would lock down SS.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah he was still depicted being able to flame on in the vacuum of space. If you have other instances of him not needing to breath in space that could trump what I said.

@Stoic
It could be that his fire is cosmic in nature (but then again that doesn't explain the times water has extinguished it). Oh well.....

Also if you need proof that Tony can go wifi on SS just remember that he can tecnopathically send out a wifi signal, and have his armor fly right to him as fast as those suits can fly. Just look at what Ultron did with Tony's body after he placed a worm in him.

Originally posted by zopzop
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t446514.html
Check out all those times he's in space with no need to breath.

@Stoic
It could be that his fire is cosmic in nature (but then again that doesn't explain the times water has extinguished it). Oh well.....

I think you're right about the cosmic flame, after all the FF are cosmic beings, just on a lower scale than the Herald's of Galactus. Super Skrull also has a larger dose of cosmic energy in him than the FF as well, so perhaps that is what makes him able to flame on in space. It's still stupid as hell but whatever. Flame needs oxygen. Marvel has written some pretty dumb stuff.

To the flame in space thing, maybe he produces the oxygen along with the fire.
Sounds ridiculous but so does fire in space.

Originally posted by Stoic
I think you're right about the cosmic flame, after all the FF are cosmic beings, just on a lower scale than the Herald's of Galactus. Super Skrull also has a larger dose of cosmic energy in him than the FF as well, so perhaps that is what makes him able to flame on in space. It's still stupid as hell but whatever. Flame needs oxygen. Marvel has written some pretty dumb stuff.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well we are talking about medium that regularly has people able to communicate in space without aid.

And talk under water.

As for this fight. Lean towards SS for a few reasons.

1) Tony running out of power seems to be an issue for him when up against peeps able to press him.

2) SS has the benefit of one of the cheapest power set's in comics. Sue's powers are "SFll Chun li leg sweep" cheap. Tony has no counter for it.

Originally posted by dmills
And talk under water.

As for this fight. Lean towards SS for a few reasons.

1) Tony running out of power seems to be an issue for him when up against peeps able to press him.

2) SS has the benefit of one of the cheapest power set's in comic. Sue's ipowers are "SFll Chun li leg sweep" cheap. Tony has no counter for it.

Where?

Tony can definitely use SS's fire power set to power him up. Even if that was a problem he can currently power up via satellites accessing Jupiter's magnetic sphere.

Originally posted by Stoic
Also if you need proof that Tony can go wifi on SS just remember that he can tecnopathically send out a wifi signal, and have his armor fly right to him as fast as those suits can fly. Just look at what Ultron did with Tony's body after he placed a worm in him.

Originally posted by Raptor22
except he can't do that here. Just like Batman can't call in the bat-mobile mid battle or the bat-plane for air support, even though he has in the comics.

Not to mention, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards become unbeatable.

Losing to Thor in a non prep battle? No problem, just teleport in an anti Celestial dimensional cannon! Carried by an army of Doombots or Richard robots.

Love Klr't, but Iron Man has crazy versatility plus he has shields too.

It's not a stomp but I think Super Skrull wins this. If anything CIS off reduces Tonys chances.

Originally posted by Newjak
Klrt can be a GL lite when he is using Sue's powers to their fullest.

Sue kills any GL ftr

IM ftw

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Sue kills any GL ftr

No.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No.

Yes

Originally posted by Raptor22
except he can't do that here. Just like Batman can't call in the bat-mobile mid battle or the bat-plane for air support, even though he has in the comics.

Yeah that would be fine if CIS was on, but it's not. Tony Stark as I mentioned is Iron Man, not the other way around, and while it is true Batman can not call Robin, and the Bat Mobile Stark under these conditions has called on the aid of Iron Man, even if Iron Man happened to just be a suit, which it is.

Tony can also use his armor to see SS on different spectrums, but SS won't be able to see Tony if he cloaks and goes into stealth mode.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah that would be fine if CIS was on, but it's not. Tony Stark as I mentioned is Iron Man, not the other way around, and while it is true Batman can not call Robin, and the Bat Mobile Stark under these conditions has called on the aid of Iron Man, even if Iron Man happened to just be a suit, which it is.

Tony can also use his armor to see SS on different spectrums, but SS won't be able to see Tony if he cloaks and goes into stealth mode.

As much as I agree that Tony has the edge here you have to realize that the intent of the thread op isn't whether Tony can unleash hell on SS by bringing in an army of his suits from NY City.

It's in a neutral plain area - say Arizona - away from the city. In a straight up fight with no ability to call on his abundant resources in NY because SS is on his tail.

Blair in the house lol! Now all we need is White Witch and then the fun really starts!

Without CIS, Super Skrull use Thing and Reed's powers to impale Iron Man.