Originally posted by Stoic
Also if you need proof that Tony can go wifi on SS just remember that he can tecnopathically send out a wifi signal, and have his armor fly right to him as fast as those suits can fly. Just look at what Ultron did with Tony's body after he placed a worm in him.
While Tony tries to wifi, his head explodes from force spikes protruding out his head. Skrull takes this fight. Deadlier range attacks. K'lrt would more than likely kill Tony than the other way around.
Originally posted by zopzop
No Stoic, ON PANEL, it was shown that his stretching ability DWARFS Reed's AND he has fire/energy manipulation power that the HT doesn't (the antimatter fireball). I never mentioned Thing so don't put words in my mouth.He also has his hypnotic stare power and his Skrullian shapeshifting abilities.
If he was written properly he'd be a solid Mid Herald being and stomp Stark every time.
Even not written properly Tony is Mid-Herald. I'm a big Super Skrull fan But, Tony has too many options.
Iron Man 7/10
i'm not convinced a bubble in his body would be possible for a couple reasons. first, tony has his own forcefields and that might well protect him. secondly, her powers have been defined as psionic at times. if true, tony already has in place safeguards against psionic attacks. third, if he gets off a massive sonic attack first, that would prevent ss from concentrating enough to form one anyway. assuming for a moment the bubble doesn't work as some sort of indefensible herald destroying attack, then tony would take this. at some point in the past, i'm fairly certain tony already broke through sue's forcefield as well, but for the life of me i can't recall where that happened. maybe someone else can....?
the force field is dropped via hyperspace into normal space. it's supposed to be indenfensable. assuming defenses against "psionic powers", as in telepathy, are a blanket defense against all powers of psionic nature is stretching it quite a bit IMO.
sonic attacks might keep him off balance for a while, but they wouldn't cripple him for the fight. and that assumes tony uses sonics before he raises defensive force fields
I'm unaware of tony braking thourgh IW's force fields, but if someone can post that it'd help.
Originally posted by 753
assuming defenses against "psionic powers", as in telepathy, are a blanket defense against all powers of psionic nature is stretching it quite a bit IMO.
Being able to defend against telepathic intrusion is a FAAAAAAAAAAAAR cry from being able to defend against telekinesis. It's like saying you can't use TK to toss Xavier down the stairs cause he's got telepathic defenses.
Originally posted by 753
the force field is dropped via hyperspace into normal space. it's supposed to be indenfensable.
key word--supposed. since she's never really used the attack in that manner, against someone with a forcefield, it's really only speculation that it would work. i've always hated the no-limits fallacy of that attack.
assuming defenses against "psionic powers", as in telepathy, are a blanket defense against all powers of psionic nature is stretching it quite a bit IMO.
possibly. i'm speculating as well, but i find it extremely difficult to believe that such an attack would simply bypass his shields, like i find it hard to imagine it could bypass, say, magneto's.
sonic attacks might keep him off balance for a while, but they wouldn't cripple him for the fight. and that assumes tony uses sonics before he raises defensive force fields
before who raises shields? sonics would work through sue's forcefields, and tony can use sonics even if his own shields are up. without the auto-kill option, i think the advantage swings to IM in this fight.
I'm unaware of tony braking thourgh IW's force fields, but if someone can post that it'd help. [/B]
yeah, that'd be great. wish i could friggin remember where it happened.
Originally posted by leonidasbut an explanation for how it just pops into regular space has been given
[B]key word--supposed. since she's never really used the attack in that manner, against someone with a forcefield, it's really only speculation that it would work. i've always hated the no-limits fallacy of that attack.
IINM storm's powers, which are also psionic, have manipulated the environment behind magneto's shields
possibly. i'm speculating as well, but i find it extremely difficult to believe that such an attack would simply bypass his shields, like i find it hard to imagine it could bypass, say, magneto's.
super-skrull. why would sonic attacks work through the shields? without the autokill, SS still has nova flare, anti-matter blast, thing's strengh, mindcontrol and the combined damage soaks of RR and thing.
before who raises shields? sonics would work through sue's forcefields, and tony can use sonics even if his own shields are up. without the auto-kill option, i think the advantage swings to IM in this fight.
what IM attack do you view putting him down?
Originally posted by ODG
^ I recall Doom doing it. You sure it was Iron Man? If you could remember the context or scene, I could look for it.
i wish i could. i think it was discussed and dissected in the forum sometime ago though. i do know it's old, but i can't recall where it took place. i could be wrong as well, i guess, but i was pretty sure it had happened.
Originally posted by 753
but an explanation for how it just pops into regular space has been givenIINM storm's powers, which are also psionic, have manipulated the environment behind magneto's shields
super-skrull. why would sonic attacks work through the shields? without the autokill, SS still has nova flare, anti-matter blast, thing's strengh, mindcontrol and the combined damage soaks of RR and thing.
what IM attack do you view putting him down?
true enough about the explanation, but still, it reeks of no limits. it's off-topic, but i don't recall storm affecting mags through his shield. any idea where? crystal has affected sue through her field, as has vision. she hears things just fine so why wouldn't sonics work? 😕 pretty sure they have been used against her in the past anyway.
i think tony could shield or absorb much of the energy attacks johnny could use. and it's not like skrull hasn't been ko'd many times in the past...
tony's amped repulsors in combo with sonics that have put a hurting on juggs would be very effective. his chest beams have staggered hulk. his energy knife would be very effective in close combat as well, and could likely one-shot kill ss considering what it did to worthy gargoyle. those are just some off the top of my head (odg or bw could probably come up with other options for taking skrull down) and that's without factoring in some of his more plot devicey powers and abilities he has shown. factor in his own forcefields and ability to find ss even if he's invisible and i think the edge goes to tony minus the insta-kill. it's still a fight for sure, but i'd take stark.
Originally posted by leonidashttp://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9882/uxm112pg114bg.jpg
true enough about the explanation, but still, it reeks of no limits. it's off-topic, but i don't recall storm affecting mags through his shield. any idea where?
with sonic blasts? I know she has at least stopped sersi's transmutation with her force-fields. http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17040_Fantastic_Four_Annual_25-20_122_831lo.jpg
crystal has affected sue through her field, as has vision.
she hears things just fine so why wouldn't sonics work? 😕 pretty sure they have been used against her in the past anyway.that's a plot necessity. characters like sue, klrt and magneto can be seen and carry conversations so they can interact with other characters, but their shields still stop lasers and sonic blasts. I couldn't fin any specific sonic blast defense feats from sue or klrt, but they do stop shockwaves from explosions. if you have a scan of sonics bypassing her shields, that'd change things.
sure, then again, so can the SS.
i think tony could shield or absorb much of the energy attacks johnny could use. and it's not like skrull hasn't been ko'd many times in the past...
is it heat based?
tony's amped repulsors in combo with sonics that have put a hurting on juggs would be very effective. his chest beams have staggered hulk. his energy knife would be very effective in close combat as well, and could likely one-shot kill ss considering what it did to worthy gargoyle.
tony can win, but I can't see him taking a majority. another attack avenue for klrt is the tk like use of the force-field constructs for offense.
those are just some off the top of my head (odg or bw could probably come up with other options for taking skrull down) and that's without factoring in some of his more plot devicey powers and abilities he has shown. factor in his own forcefields and ability to find ss even if he's invisible and i think the edge goes to tony minus the insta-kill. it's still a fight for sure, but i'd take stark.
Originally posted by 753
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with sonic blasts? I know she has at least stopped sersi's transmutation with her force-fields. http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17040_Fantastic_Four_Annual_25-20_122_831lo.jpgthat's a plot necessity. characters like sue, klrt and magneto can be seen and carry conversations so they can interact with other characters, but their shields still stop lasers and sonic blasts. I couldn't fin any specific sonic blast defense feats from sue or klrt, but they do stop shockwaves from explosions. if you have a scan of sonics bypassing her shields, that'd change things.
sure, then again, so can the SS.
is it heat based?
tony can win, but I can't see him taking a majority. another attack avenue for klrt is the tk like use of the force-field constructs for offense.
hmm, the mags' scans i HAVE seen. i guess i never looked at them as affecting him through his shield. the second in particular seems iffy, but the first i can def see where you're coming from. i will say it makes no sense since he's shielded against her numerous times, but i can see why you feel they're proof.
i knew about stopping sersi, and she's stopped jean tk as well. her field seems to stop some things and not others. wizard once plowed through it after finding the right light frequency--something tony should be able to duplicate without too much trouble during the fight.
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lol pologies for the spanish but you get the idea. analyzing fields and their frequencies in order to get through them is one of tony's most consistent abilities.
re: sonics--there is apparently some conflicting data. in the past, klaw has been both effective against her, and ineffective against her. i think songbird was able to do well against her in the tbolts as well. bottomline--i believe she CAN stop sonic attacks, IF she prepares for them and sets up an appropriate shield. but i don't know that that is what skrull would do at the start, and a barrage that can bring marko to his knees could certainly stun the hell out of ss.
the lance is electrical as far as i know....
ss could def bat him around some with the forcefields as a weapon, but i don't see that winning him the fight. he'd need to drop the field and use the other powers to win. once the field falls, that's where tony has the edge imo. too many weapons imo, and ways to get around ss's defenses.
on a separate note--just who has ss defeated that makes you think he'd be able to take out tony for a majority. tony's win list is about as good as anyone in marvel, especially given his usual depicted level. given even a little time, he can usually adapt to most opponents and win. that's why i think minus insta-death, he takes this.
