Top Chicks Run a Gauntlet

Started by Col. Valerian11 pages

So we should just assume that Kreia can pwn basically anyone because she has TEH DRAIN?

Thats what I do. awepedo

Man I dunno. Technically yes, no-one has been able to contradict that idea except Gideon and the best he could do was suggest that the Dark Reaper is similar enough that the defense Anakin, Uliq Qel'Droma and I think Dooku have would work against it. But those are only 3 dudes.

Plus the 'defense' is odd and might not even work against Nihilus and Traya due to how it works.

That's why I hate the UBER POWERFUL DRAIN!!!!!!

But, in this gauntlet, she isn't allowed to use it, so. peaches

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Since this is the case, I see them getting past round 1, with some difficulty. I think they also get past round 2, with more difficulty.

If this is DoE Bane and Zannah, I'm not sure I can see them getting past round 3, even with Bastila's BM. Maybe I just don't wanna...

TBH I don't know why Zannah isn't on the team. She's better than Traya without taking TEH DRAIN into consideration.

But yeah, they stop at 3 imo.

Still no clarification on the Orbs? If they're allowed then two and done without question.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Kreia saying that its unblockable makes it unblockable.

Prove that's the same technique Darth Nihlus used to drain a world 💃

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its the same attack, except Nihilus reached greater heights with it. Its the attack she talks about when she says 'There are some technique against which there is no defense.'

Because Kreia is the foremost master of the force? And there is no proof that Kreia's giga-drain is the same technique as Nihlus'
Nihlus' attack left nothing on Katarr. Those Masters bodies were still very much there.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Prove that's the same technique Darth Nihlus used to drain a world 💃

You can talk to Kreia and she'll describe Nihilus' technique to you, saying that it drains the target completely of the Force, leaving only emptiness behind, which is why it's such a threat. When you examine the bodies of the Jedi Masters, that's exactly the description of what she did to them.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because Kreia is the foremost master of the force? And there is no proof that Kreia's giga-drain is the same technique as Nihlus'
Nihlus' attack left nothing on Katarr. Those Masters bodies were still very much there.

She's the foremost master on the technique, knowing enough about it to instruct Nihilus in its use at the Trayas Academy. There is a possibility that there is a defense that she doesn't know about, yes. But that's merely unsupported speculation.

And Nihilus' attack didn't leave nothing on Katarr. I don't know where you're getting that from.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You can talk to Kreia and she'll describe Nihilus' technique to you, saying that it drains the target completely of the Force, leaving only emptiness behind, which is why it's such a threat. When you examine the bodies of the Jedi Masters, that's exactly the description of what she did to them.

Nihlus' technique involves speaking and literally life wipes, nothing is left, not bones, not bodies, nothing. It is closer to thought bomb than what Kreia shows.


She's the foremost master on the technique, knowing enough about it to instruct Nihilus in its use at the Trayas Academy. There is a possibility that there is a defense that she doesn't know about, yes. But that's merely unsupported speculation.

And Nihilus' attack didn't leave nothing on Katarr. I don't know where you're getting that from. [/B]

There are no corpses in Unseen and Unheard if I recall correctly, only empty buildings. And no Nihilus surpasses his Master, he, not Kriea is the foremost master of Force Drain.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nihlus' technique involves speaking and literally life wipes, nothing is left, not bones, not bodies, nothing. It is closer to thought bomb than what Kreia shows.

There are no corpses in Unseen and Unheard if I recall correctly, only empty buildings. And no Nihilus surpasses his Master, he, not Kriea is the foremost master of Force Drain.

Incorrect, there are skeletons in Unseen, Unheard.

YouTube video

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Plus when Visas mentions him 'speaking' that could just be a fanciful way of saying it. He doesn't speak when he tries to drain the Exile on the Ravager.

And Kreia was the one who taught him to reach those heights with the technique. He is better at it though. It still doesn't matter, as there's no-one else who knows it better and no-one who has blocked it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Incorrect, there are skeletons in Unseen, Unheard.

YouTube video

0.57.

Still has a different effect. Completely different.


Plus when Visas mentions him 'speaking' that could just be a fanciful way of saying it. He doesn't speak when he tries to drain the Exile on the Ravager.

Could is operative here. Also Kriea's statement of there being no defense is proved wrong in that very fight, the Exile showed one defense already.


And Kreia was the one who taught him to reach those heights with the technique. He is better at it though. It still doesn't matter, as there's no-one else who knows it better and no-one who has blocked it.

I am not convinced. A Sith Lord saying that their technique is unblockable is not unheard of.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Still has a different effect. Completely different.

How so? Both attacks drain the Force, leaving absences in it. If you mean the skeleton, recall that Nihilus' attack is more powerful than Kreia's and that it could just be another case of artistic depictions being different from gameplay like the form the attack takes. Also theres no proof that it was the attack itself that reduced them to skeletons.

Hell, we could just say that Miralukians have an extremely swift speed at decomposition.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Could is operative here. Also Kriea's statement of there being no defense is proved wrong in that very fight, the Exile showed one defense already.

The evidence I provided make it a bit more that merely 'could'. And that wasn't a defense, the Exile's nature simply made her impossible to drain. Though you are right, being a Force Wound is the only way we know of the block the technique.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am not convinced. A Sith Lord saying that their technique is unblockable is not unheard of.

You are welcome to speculate on a possible defense if you want. 🙂

No defense is know or has been shown except being a Force Wound and possibly whatever Uliq Qel'Droma came up with. If she said that then it stands to reason that conventional force defenses are not up to the task.

Killing drain contradicts other canon. Yuuzhan Vong, Kallista and others survived force severing! 💃

Out of all other material I know Force drain is portrayed only in Troy Denning books. Notably Lomi Plo and Darth Krayt, no one died from it though.

Wasn't it the sudden cutting off of the force that killed them?

Originally posted by Nephthys
How so? Both attacks drain the Force, leaving absences in it. If you mean the skeleton, recall that Nihilus' attack is more powerful than Kreia's and that it could just be another case of artistic depictions being different from gameplay like the form the attack takes. Also theres no proof that it was the attack itself that reduced them to skeletons.

Darth Malak could also use force Drain, does that mean there is no defense against it? 💃
A technique that rips the flesh from the bones of it's victims has completely different mechanics than a technique that leaves them devoid of the force.

Hell, we could just say that Miralukians have an extremely swift speed at decomposition.

We could say it doesn't mean it isn't true.


The evidence I provided make it a bit more that merely 'could'. And that wasn't a defense, the Exile's nature simply made her impossible to drain. Though you are right, being a Force Wound is the only way we know of the block the technique.

It was a defense, a natural defense but still a defense. My point is that the Exile proved Kreia's statement to be fallible.


You are welcome to speculate on a possible defense if you want. 🙂

Tutaminis users have been shown to block powerful force attacks, Jedi have been shown to raise force barriers. Those techniques could likely block Kriea and Nihlus' tangible drains, but not Nihlus' intangible force talk or the Emperor's ritual.


No defense is know or has been shown except being a Force Wound and possibly whatever Uliq Qel'Droma came up with. If she said that then it stands to reason that conventional force defenses are not up to the task.
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You have yet to prove that the technique Kriea used is the same one Nihlus use to devastate Katarr 💃 💃 💃 💃

When cutting of the Force wasn't sudden? Nomi severed Ulic. Verger severed Jacen. Jacen severed Ben.

The attack does not merely separate one from the Force. It separates life from the Force as well:

Originally posted by Nephthys
The attack does not merely separate one from the Force. It separates life from the Force as well:

Then that proves the attacks are not the same. If the laser drain was the same, why was in ineffective against the Exile?

Because the Exile already completely cut herself off from the Force and is a Force Wound.