Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Darth Malak could also use force Drain, does that mean there is no defense against it? 💃
A technique that rips the flesh from the bones of it's victims has completely different mechanics than a technique that leaves them devoid of the force.
The technique is different from Force Drain.
Not necessarily.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
We could say it doesn't mean it isn't true.
Hence why I said that it's unknown if it was Nihilus' attack that did it. It's impossible to prove.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It was a defense, a natural defense but still a defense. My point is that the Exile proved Kreia's statement to be fallible.
It's simply an immunity.
I have acknowledged the fallibility of her words, yet you have been unable to provide any defense excepting the Exiles unique case.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Tutaminis users have been shown to block powerful force attacks, Jedi have been shown to raise force barriers. Those techniques could likely block Kriea and Nihlus' tangible drains, but not Nihlus' intangible force talk or the Emperor's ritual.
Uh-huh. Prove it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
💃 💃 💃You have yet to prove that the technique Kriea used is the same one Nihlus use to devastate Katarr 💃 💃 💃 💃
I have. Many times already. To be honest it's getting rather tedious.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If that's true why did Kreia so desperately try to stop the Council from cutting the Exile off from the Force?
Well she was more just straight up pissed that they would even try tbh.
Because the Exile learned to feel the Force again by feeding off others that she has a Force Bond with. But the Council acknowledges that she cannot actually access the Force. Who knows if it would have even worked.
Has it occurred to anyone that Kreia was probably lying? Just playing the Devil's Advocate here, but look at some reasons:
She was planning to betray the Exile. That much is very obvious. So, why give the Exile a reason to search out a defense to a technique to fight Nihilus, when Kreia could use it on her herself? (As far as I know, Kreia did not know the Exile would be immune to the drain, neither did the Exile. Obviously Nihilus didn't) And if the only real thing you have going for you can be defended against, do you really want people to know that? Or would you sow misinformation that it was unstoppabru?
Speculation and just adding stuff in. Y'know.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well she was more just straight up pissed that they would even try tbh.Because the Exile learned to feel the Force again by feeding off others that she has a Force Bond with. But the Council acknowledges that she cannot actually access the Force. Who knows if it would have even worked.
I always viewed it that while the Exile was a wound in the force and not herself attatched to the Galactic entity (in otherwords she said **** off to the midiclorians) she could connect to the force and give access to it's powers. That connection being made through others. If the Council cut her off from the force they'd cut her off from her companions.
For that reason I believe that Lazer Drain is a different technique than Nihilus' Giga Drain. Because Nihlus' Giga Drain cuts the being off from the force and feeds on their existance, where as Kreia's just strips them of the force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Kreia did know that the Exile would be immune. That's why she had the Exile follow her to Atris while leaking word that there were Jedi there to Nihilus. So that the Exile could kill him.
I think it's a stretch to say she "knew" more like she hypothesized that the Exile would be immune to his draining technique, and knew that she was the galaxy's best way to stave off destruction.
Originally posted by Nephthys
TBH I don't know why Zannah isn't on the team. She's better than Traya without taking TEH DRAIN into consideration.But yeah, they stop at 3 imo.
They've got a numbers advantage in 3, and Traya isn't the strongest one on the team.
Probably Nomi's the biggest threat, force severe/wall of light and all that.
Originally posted by Pwned
And where does it say that?
Kreia returns to the Ebon Hawk specifically so she can beat up Atton and tell him where she's going.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I always viewed it that while the Exile was a wound in the force and not herself attatched to the Galactic entity (in otherwords she said **** off to the midiclorians) she could connect to the force and give access to it's powers. That connection being made through others. If the Council cut her off from the force they'd cut her off from her companions.
Yes, I think it's something like that. The Council says this:
“Yes... you can feel the Force, but you cannot feel yourself.”
I like to think that this is them saying that the Force the Exile feels is not actually from herself but from her companions and those she's killed. If you tell them that you can feel the Force they say:
“So you think. It is not the strength of a Jedi you feel.”
“He's right. It's... all the death you've caused to get here. You feed on it, and you grow stronger. You're like Malachor... it's in you, it's what you are now.”
"You must have noticed as you've fought across all these planets - killing hundreds - only to get more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?"
Of course then Drew got it wrong and (I think) said something about the Exile regaining her connection to the Force over the course of the game, which is impossible. So I'm just going to ignore that. 😐
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
For that reason I believe that Lazer Drain is a different technique than Nihilus' Giga Drain. Because Nihlus' Giga Drain cuts the being off from the force and feeds on their existance, where as Kreia's just strips them of the force.
Why do you assume that Kreia's just stripped them from the Force? There's nothing suggesting that she doesn't feed off their death just as much as Nihilus does.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I think it's a stretch to say she "knew" more like she hypothesized that the Exile would be immune to his draining technique, and knew that she was the galaxy's best way to stave off destruction.
Bluh bluh you know what I mean.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course then Drew got it wrong and (I think) said something about the Exile regaining her connection to the Force over the course of the game, which is impossible. So I'm just going to ignore that. 😐
It's canon.
But in all seriousness, that one Ithorian says you can heal over the course of the journey. And I'm not sure why it would be impossible, certainly not any more ridiculous then the concept of the force wounds in the first place.
Edit: And let's use our brains here. Kreia is clearly using the same technique as Nihilus.
Spoiler:😉
Just like the Dark Reaper.
Originally posted by Arhael
Canon contradiction. Nihilus severed from the Force and fed on death. Krayt learned technique from Nihilus and was draining power itself from Abeloth without severing and feeding on Force itself, not death.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The technique is different from Force Drain.
Not necessarily.
Hence why I said that it's unknown if it was Nihilus' attack that did it. It's impossible to prove.
It's simply an immunity.I have acknowledged the fallibility of her words, yet you have been unable to provide any defense excepting the Exiles unique case.
The Exile may be a unique case. In fact I hypothesize that the reason why she appeared to be so weak in the Revan novel was because she did not have her companions to amplify her connection the force. As a result she was not as powerful as she was when she took down the Sith Trio.
Uh-huh. Prove it.
I have. Many times already. To be honest it's getting rather tedious.
Originally posted by ares834
It's canon.But in all seriousness, that one Ithorian says you can heal over the course of the journey. And I'm not sure why it would be impossible, certainly not any more ridiculous then the concept of the force wounds in the first place.
Edit: And let's use our brains here. Kreia is clearly using the same technique as Nihilus.
Spoiler:😉
Just like the Dark Reaper.
Supposition. Electrical Judgement looks like Force Lightning and operates the same way but it isn't Force Lightning. Plagueis makes that clear in his novel.
Originally posted by NephthysYes, I think it's something like that. The Council says this:
“Yes... you can feel the Force, but you cannot feel yourself.”
I like to think that this is them saying that the Force the Exile feels is not actually from herself but from her companions and those she's killed. If you tell them that you can feel the Force they say:
“So you think. It is not the strength of a Jedi you feel.”
“He's right. It's... all the death you've caused to get here. You feed on it, and you grow stronger. You're like Malachor... it's in you, it's what you are now.”
"You must have noticed as you've fought across all these planets - killing hundreds - only to get more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?"
My point still stands, the Exile can be cut off from the force. And Nihlus' life wiper is a different technique. If drain lazer was the same technique as the one he used on Katarr, Visas, Mandalore, and all his Neo-Mandalorians should have been wiped out the moment he used it, and only the Exile should have remained.
Of course then Drew got it wrong and (I think) said something about the Exile regaining her connection to the Force over the course of the game, which is impossible. So I'm just going to ignore that. 😐
So...he basically says exactly what the Jedi Council says she does not do...😘
Why do you assume that Kreia's just stripped them from the Force? There's nothing suggesting that she doesn't feed off their death just as much as Nihilus does.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nihlus showed the ability to use the Drain lazer which simply is a force drain. He also showed a superior ability that destroyed Katarr. Two separate techniques.
There is nothing suggesting they're seperate techniques at all.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You yourself have called it 'Giga drain'.
Which is something of a misnomer. Force Drain is a different technique to Nihilus' attack, which works by creating a Force Bond with the target, severing the targets connections between the force and only then draining the Force. Kreia says that this technique can only be leaned instinctively rather than taught. Its a different technique to Force Drain.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I agree that it could be the same technique. But it is a stretch to assume that it is.
No, it's a stretch to assume they're different techniques. Throughout the game only one technique is ever spoken of. Nowhere is it ever suggested that theres two techniques. The Council say that the Exile and the Sith use the same technique. Kreia instructed Nihilus on how to better use his technique. Kreia says that the technique Nihilus uses damages the Force. When you examine the Jedi Masters it says that they are absences in the Force.
Its the same technique.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Exile may be a unique case. In fact I hypothesize that the reason why she appeared to be so weak in the Revan novel was because she did not have her companions to amplify her connection the force. As a result she was not as powerful as she was when she took down the Sith Trio.
That's actually a really good hypothesis. I'm going to steal that. 🥷
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
There is no proof that Drain lazer would work on Tutaminis user. Tutaminis is a technique developed to absorb/ redirect harmful energies. Drain lazer is a visible, tangible Sith technique that strikes out through the force. Tutaminis is a technique that absorbs other force techniques. What property of Drain lazer makes you think it could bypass a powerful Tutaminis user.
For one thing, Revan was a powerful user of Tutaminis, which Kreia should know about since she was his master both before and after he became a Sith and yet she still says that the technique is unblockable. And its not as if Tutaminis is a secret technique that she wouldn't know about. She's both a Jedi Master and Sith Lord after all and has access to Trayas Academy.
Secondly, it is only speculation that it can be blocked by Tutaminis, there is absolutely no evidence.
Thirdly, I find it illogical that none of the Jedi on Katarr knew Tutaminis and didn't try to block Nihilus' attack. As Unseen, Unheard showed us, the population of Katarr had time to react to Nihilus.
Fourthly, Tutaminis has never blocked even Force Drain.
And lastly, the unique way in which the technique works as I have detailed and explained make it possible and not at all illogical that such a technique as Tutaminis would be unable to block it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No need to get mad homes 😮💨
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Supposition. Electrical Judgement looks like Force Lightning and operates the same way but it isn't Force Lightning. Plagueis makes that clear in his novel.
Can i please get a quote for this? I'm currently talking about the same thing with Arheal.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
My point still stands, the Exile can be cut off from the force. And Nihlus' life wiper is a different technique. If drain lazer was the same technique as the one he used on Katarr, Visas, Mandalore, and all his Neo-Mandalorians should have been wiped out the moment he used it, and only the Exile should have remained.
No, why do you think that? It's the same technique, just used on a larger scale. If Nihilus used the technique to its fullest extent then he would have killed his own crew and Visas, who he has a Force Bond with.
Also theres the posibility that the technique simply hit the Exile first and the damage he took from that caused him to stop do it, like he recoiled in pain.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So...he basically says exactly what the Jedi Council says she does not do...😘
Seriously, **** that guy.
Even though I like his storyline in TOR, **** him.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Because it is completely different. There is nothing to suggest she is more powerful after she kills the Masters at all. And she said 'See it through the eyes of the Exile.' Who cut herself off from the force at Malachor. The difference being the Masters literally could not live without the Force, unlike the Exile.
How is that completely different? It doesn't need to say anything, it's pretty obvious that she used the technique and thus fed on their deaths. Just because it does explicitly say 'yo dawg she drained them and was empowered by them' doesn't mean thats not what happened. The developers just gave us a tiny bit of credit and assumed we could figure that out on our own. The only thing suggesting its a different technique is you and your basing that off of nothing.
Also:
'Drained of Life.'
And btw after she drains them she goes to Malachor and pimpslaps Sion around after killing half a dozen Sith Assassins without even exerting herself.