Aaron Cross vs Jason Bourne

Originally posted by Mindset
I only remember the hip, and he was shot by someone with presumably the same abilities as himself...a guy who shot down a predator drone from hundreds of yards away. The person who went after Cross > everyone who went after Bourne. If that makes them B-team, then I guess so.

It's called plot. Could also be the fact that he was in a bustling city and just recuperated from a virus that could have killed him.

Books aren't trained, silly. There are a difference between operatives sent out to kill someone, and your local neighborhood cop. They don't need feats to show they aren't mooks, their status shows that.

There wouldn't be need for insults if you didn't make stupid comments and try to pass them off as my stance...I even said Bourne wins, I never once argued for Cross. 😬

All we can say for sure is that they are better shots but overall ability is still up in the air but I do concede at that point.

He was also in the middle of a snow storm when they heard the Drone and plot can be used to explain anything and everything

And a "mook" is anyone who works for a boss that displays no particular skill.

Painting you at a particular stance was not my intention and i apologize if i did. Just meant to give my opinion on the matter

As I've said the biggest piece missing from the film was Cross not going hand-to-hand with another super operative. Without question that was what showed Bourne's ridiculousness in both the films and the books. In the books he's a bit older and still manages to submit the national martial arts champion of China.

I still say Cross' program is superior considering that it's based on Treadstone and Black Briar, yet includes genetic enhancements. Until we see him taking on someone from LARX or whatever else though it's a matter of some arguing displayed potential vs displayed prowess. Regardless, the ease with which Bourne took down the squad at the Dr.'s house surpasses what Bourne did in the hotel at the end of the first film.

Thinking about it even more makes them not sending a top hitter after him from the get go all the more foolish. All the agencies involved know that even high-value targets have escaped drone strikes, so the odds of trained killers surviving are decent and then some. There was no reason that they shouldn't have had someone from LARX or Outcome there to sweep and make sure no one got out of that training camp, not to mention that it would have made the film more complete.

That movie, from a Bourne Trilogy perspective, was absolute fail. I still say Bourne takes it.

Rumors swirling for Cross and Bourne team up for a possible next movie. This would be an epic show down. But this fight would be a toss up.

the thing about cross is that he's genetically enhanced.. and when he was viraled off the blue chems, he was half way to larx-3.. i don't think anyone can make a sound call right now seeing as how cross' h2h and cqc skill are never shown against an agent with equal or superior capabilities, unlike bourne who had 3 movies to show off his abilities.. however, with that being said, i believe cross' programming is superior to that of jason bourne's.. which, in theory, makes cross better than bourne..

Originally posted by super pr*xy
i believe cross' programming is superior to that of jason bourne's.. which, in theory, makes cross better than bourne..

Again, that doesn't matter. Desh also had programming better than Bourne, and Bourne still overcame him in a fight

that is why i said "in theory".. never said cross can actually kick bourne's ass.. just "in theory"..

Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, that doesn't matter. Desh also had programming better than Bourne, and Bourne still overcame him in a fight

Bourne wins all 3 rounds

1) Bourne attended the alaskan training camp
2) Bourne was the best of the first gen. pre-med
3) Aaron attended the alaskan training camp, as did all Outcome soldiers.

Aaron Cross beat the training record by 2 days = Aaron Cross has, at least, superior endurance/wilderness survival skill than all Outcome soldiers + first gen pre-med (including Bourne)

This only leaves out LARX-3

One key factor not mentioned is talent.

We don't know how big the gap is between the two (or if there is one). Based on feats, Bourne is superior.

Performance enhancement doesn't mean everything. If I recall correctly, there were enhanced assets in the first Bourne movie, The Professor (Clive Owen) mentions having headaches when he doesn't take pills (implied in retrospect - great continuity from Bourne Legacy btw, too bad it sucked). Bourne was clearly the best asset they had at the time.

The other factor is experience. Bourne is a seasoned veteran, whereas I would assume Cross is just a rookie (as an asset) because he was completing the course at the start.

Regarding Cross breaking the record - he was able to do so because he took a risk with the mountain jump. And the reason he took such a risk was because he was trying to get out of the program. None of the previous agents knew there was a "record" and so no incentive for them to take risks to compete.

BTW, I wasn't impressed with LARX/Asian asset. Tried to be cool like Karl Urban/Kirill, but didn't have the goods.

Aaron fought a wolf.

A WOLF!

Doesn't count if it didn't have tri-lazor.

Man I'm off the charts today.

Bourne wins due to his unique experience and training

They had the same training.

Cross also had military training, I don't recall Bourne having that.

Anyway, Bourne wins because he has better feats.

Originally posted by Mindset
They had the same training.

Cross also had military training, I don't recall Bourne having that.

Anyway, Bourne wins because he has better feats.

Cool.

Cross is better at taking down lower-level agents but Bourne has better feats and he's used to fighting agents on his level, he wins. Cross has his best chance in the ring.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.