Which Powerset Would You Choose?

I think we all agree on that Batman has the intellectual advantage over Superman. You'll grant me that, right?

Yet Batman is a human without any superpowers. I've not stepped on any feet so far?

So we have that since Batman's intelligence doesn't qualify as a superpower, neither should Superman's inferior intelligence quantify as a superpower.

Of course you could probably find evidence for Superman incredible intelligence, but it's not recognized by the norm. Hence not generally considered a superpower.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Why in the world would you want me to quote all of it since, once put in context of what you said, it becomes even more embarrasing for you? Let's see:

"Plus most of those powersets come with enhanced mental facilities.

Surfer can see space and time, Thor and see the fabric of space and time, Superman has hyper reaction speed with hyper intelligence.

When you basically have all the answers and no one can engage you in any kind of debate because you're always right and they are always wrong. "

I don't know what comics you've read, but Thor being an all-knowing being due to his space/time perceptions and enhanced mental faculties must be out of your special editions, right next to the JLA/Avengers one.

Thor (even if he has scattered feats of "science!"😉 is functionally one of the dumbest persons on this thread.

You basically decided my comment was stupid and instead of maybe asking me to enlighten more on it decided to bash it as crazy talk.

Let's say you picked Thor. You have the senses to see other dimensions, you can find the weak points in space and time itself using your godly senses as demonstrated in Astonishing Thor where he is the pocket universe running from Ego's brother. You can visit the Astral Plane if such a thing exists.

Let's also say you have reasonable intelligence, which I'm willing to give you and almost everyone else on this board the benefit of a doubt. We also know Thor can recall all of the memories of his vast lifetime.

So after the first 1000 years of you going about your immortal life learning things that no other possible human being could hope to figure out, I'm willing to bet there won't be a single human being that could possibly entertain you in a conversation or debate.

Just because Thor might not be as you say the smartest person in the thread does not invalidate the stance I was taking.

Of course you'll probably rinse repeat what you've already said, or if you actually decide to add something meaningful good for you.

Originally posted by Astner
I think we all agree on that Batman has the intellectual advantage over Superman. You'll grant me that, right?

Yet Batman is a human without any superpowers. I've not stepped on any feet so far?

So we have that since Batman's intelligence doesn't qualify as a superpower, neither should Superman's inferior intelligence quantify as a superpower.

Of course you could probably find evidence for Superman incredible intelligence, but it's not recognized by the norm. Hence not generally considered a superpower.

Superman's brain works a shit ton faster than Batman's.

And that IS a superpower for him.

And subsequently why he's so smart, there's nothing he can't learn.

lol at people getting butthurt over other people's choices.

Originally posted by Astner
So we have that since Batman's intelligence doesn't qualify as a superpower, neither should Superman's inferior intelligence quantify as a superpower.

The same way Reed Richards being smarter than beings who have specifically had their intelligence enhanced as a superpower, doesn't make then...not have it as a superpower.

Did I...really just have to explain this to you?

Originally posted by Astner
Of course you could probably find evidence for Superman incredible intelligence, but it's not recognized by the norm. Hence not generally considered a superpower.

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😂

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman's brain works a shit ton faster than Batman's.

And that IS a superpower for him.

And subsequently why he's so smart, there's nothing he can't learn.

Whatever intelligence you're talking of surely doesn't manifest itself properly in the light of Batman and Lex Luthor. Meaning that it shouldn't be considered a superpower, hence not part of the topic.

Silver Surfer and I don't even think it's close (next runner up would be Superman though).

Think about it. You get all of the physical, offense, and travel abilities of the other powersets (more or less) AND you get some form of TP and healing abilities.

Need to destroy an asteroid hurtling toward Earth? Check. Want to travel to the far end of the universe in a flash? Check. Need to rescue people buried under tons of debris? Check. Need to discrete contact someone in the room without alerting anyone else? Check. Have a relative you love dying of some incurable disease and you want to save them? Check.

Surfer for the win.

I can't believe I actually took up the time to search for the scans but, well, here goes.

Paragon has the abilities to copy superpowers. He meets Superman. He copies his powers, including..

...super-intelligence.

Silver Surfer has no Penis... So that has got to be a major factor in wheter men would choose him or not.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Just because Batman is smarter than Superman, and his intelligence is not a superpower, doesn't mean that Superman's is not a superpower.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The same way Reed Richards being smarter than beings who have specifically had their intelligence enhanced as a superpower, doesn't make then...not have it as a superpower.

Did I...really just have to explain this to you?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Did you just make yourself the authority on whether or not Superman's incredible intelligence is recognized as a norm or not for the majority of time?

Of course that excludes the ass-pulls you had from in the Silver age, but I digress.

If you want an absolute authority ask the opening poster to be more specific.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Silver Surfer has no Penis... So that has got to be a major factor in wheter men would choose him or not. [/B]

Originally posted by Newjak
Let's say you picked Thor. You have the senses to see other dimensions, you can find the weak points in space and time itself using your godly senses as demonstrated in Astonishing Thor where he is the pocket universe running from Ego's brother. You can visit the Astral Plane if such a thing exists.

Let's also say you have reasonable intelligence, which I'm willing to give you and almost everyone else on this board the benefit of a doubt. We also know Thor can recall all of the memories of his vast lifetime.

So after the first 1000 years of you going about your immortal life learning things that no other possible human being could hope to figure out, I'm willing to bet there won't be a single human being that could possibly entertain you in a conversation or debate.

Just because Thor might not be as you say the smartest person in the thread does not invalidate the stance I was taking.

Of course you'll probably rinse repeat what you've already said, or if you actually decide to add something meaningful good for you.

That scene doesn't prove anything other than what it showed - it doesn't prove that Thor can study and comprehend a plethora of phenomenons that humans could not, much less, by his lonesome, advance to a point where humanity's knowledge is uninteresting to him.

Superman and Silver Surfer have the showings to prove that their perceptions and mental abilities are so evolved that they'd easily surpass humanity in terms of comprehension and achievements. Thor seeing a weak point in time/space doesn't support shoving him in the same group with them. 😐

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not sure why you jumped from "Thor once saw a weak point in time/space" to "Thor will see things and figure out things no other human could!"

That scene doesn't prove anything other than what it showed - it doesn't prove that Thor can study and comprehend a plethora of phenomenons that humans could not, much less, by his lonesome, advance to a point where humanity's knowledge is uninteresting to him.

Superman and Silver Surfer have the showings to prove that their perceptions and mental abilities are so evolved that they'd easily surpass humanity in terms of comprehension and achievements. Thor seeing a weak point in time/space doesn't support shoving him in the same group with them. 😐

Do you really think you wouldn't be able to figure out most of the questions Human's ask with abilities like those?

You must not be as resourceful as I was giving you credit for 😐

Also just for reference Thor does come from a society that is often, not always, depicted as having advanced technology far beyond humans and he knows about those things just fine.

And Thor has feats showing he has godly senses that allow him the ability to know things Humans can not.

Originally posted by Astner
No I explained it from my experience. On the top of my head Superman's arsenal of super-powers consist of super-strength, super-speed, super-durability, heat-vision, super-breath, and x-ray vision.

Of course that excludes the ass-pulls you had from in the Silver age, but I digress.

If you want an absolute authority ask the opening poster to be more specific.

Superman has had super-intelligence for the majority of his existence.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I can't believe I actually took up the time to search for the scans but, well, here goes.

Paragon has the abilities to copy superpowers. He meets Superman. He copies his powers, including..

...super-intelligence.

Originally posted by Astner
Isn't the definition of a super-power along the lines of an ability above what's attainable naturally?

That's an excuse, not an explanation. But who are you comparing Reed to?

Things Superman does with his brain aren't attainable naturally, either. Some examples:

“Without even thinking about it, I know the ballistic of every bullet Bloodsport’s fired, now and before. The vector and mass of each of Riot’s bodies—“. He punches Bloodsport at the right angle so that he his muscles convelse and hit Banshee, who knocks Livewire out and herself in return.
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This super intelligence allows him to instantly recognize and see the applicability of even the most advanced technology. “But now that my senses have been sharpened, my mental functions accelerated, I can see what it’s really intended to do.”
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/upgrades6.jpg

On the spot, he can see ways to improve on Batman’s basic schematics and can do precision miniature work better than his machines.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/improveschematics.jpg

etc.

You're ignorant of what's being discussed and, worse, you're acting like you're the authority on everything.

This is sad. You're making baby Pandas cry. Please stop.

Berry is my first choice. Captain Marvel is my second.

Originally posted by Newjak
Because Thor has the means and the lifetime to figure this stuff out, and ability to keep it all recorded in his mind.

Do you really think you wouldn't be able to figure out most of the questions Human's ask with abilities like those?

You must not be as resourceful as I was giving you credit for 😐

Also just for reference Thor does come from a society that is often, not always, depicted as having advanced technology far beyond humans and he knows about those things just fine.

And Thor has feats showing he has godly senses that allow him the ability to know things Humans can not.

people are limited by their intellectual capacity

some people can literally study calculus for 10 years and still not get it

others might look at it for 3 weeks and understand it well

you can't assume thor, just because he has time, can eventually comprehend very complex things if he doesn't have that intellectual capacity to begin with

I think his superspeed (like CosmicComet said) and his superperception account for his superintelligence... or approximation thereof.

I don't think his intelligence is a separate superpower on its own. Otherwise you could argue that sunamping him makes him even more genius-like, or vice-versa, depowering him makes him dumber. And I'm pretty certain neither has happened on-panel.

Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
This super intelligence allows him to instantly recognize and see the applicability of even the most advanced technology. “But now that my senses have been sharpened, my mental functions accelerated, I can see what it’s really intended to do.”
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Originally posted by Newjak
Because Thor has the means and the lifetime to figure this stuff out, and ability to keep it all recorded in his mind.

Do you really think you wouldn't be able to figure out most of the questions Human's ask with abilities like those?

You must not be as resourceful as I was giving you credit for 😐

Also just for reference Thor does come from a society that is often, not always, depicted as having advanced technology far beyond humans and he knows about those things just fine.

And Thor has feats showing he has godly senses that allow him the ability to know things Humans can not.

Just because you can remember what you've read and seen, doesn't mean that you're able to fully comprehend and advance in those areas beyond what humanity has done. You're confusing memory with intelligence.

Just because Thor can see "weak spots in space/time" doesn't mean he can suddenly percieve (nevermind, like discussed, comprehend and advance what he percieves) everything else the humans can't see - it just means that in that mini-series he was able to see weak spots in space/time in that odd dimension and...that's it.

If I give you perfect memory and immortality, you wouldn't be able to surpass humanity's technological achievements. It doesn't work that way, you're only as good as the technology of your time, never far ahead, especially not to the level where you'd be "bleh" at what humanity has achieved.

There are thousands of people, everyday, working in every area of technology, and more. Many more of them than you are and the vast, vast majority much smarter.

You guys know reed has superintelligence as a part of his powers, he can stretch his brain so somehow that helps him store more information

Originally posted by ODG
Yeah, superspeed and superperception.

Intelligence isn't about reading fast and memorizing. It's about understanding. Adapting. Evolving what you see. All of which Superman has done, even to somebody like Batman, nigh-instantly:

On the spot, he can see ways to improve on Batman’s basic schematics and can do precision miniature work better than his machines.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/improveschematics.jpg

Understanding, in itself, is a superpower to Superman, in the sense that he doesn't have to conciously study every mechanism, in order to understand what's happening:

“Without even thinking about it, I know the ballistic of every bullet Bloodsport’s fired, now and before. The vector and mass of each of Riot’s bodies—“. He punches Bloodsport at the right angle so that he his muscles convelse and hit Banshee, who knocks Livewire out and herself in return.
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And it's the same thing that happened when Paragon stole his super-power of super-intelligence and, with a glance, figured out the red-sun generating mechanism.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/paragonsuperintelligence.jpg