Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Riiiiight, because 1 out of 10 days where Vegeta and Trunks went back into the HBTC makes such a convincing argument... 🙄
That is a completely non sequitur reply to the section you quoted. Read that section again, learn of the context of that section you quoted, and then make a proper reply.
Additionally, facts are facts: it matters not whether a fool is convinced by them.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It at least makes far more sense that actually plucking them out of thin air in the middle of their HBTC Training in another f***ing dimension where nobody else could reach them and time moves so fast that any message from the outside would be a garbled mess. Tell me, in all honesty, why the hell would they come out of the HBTC after 3 months?
That's not what happened: the writers did not "pluck" them from anywhere. They just simply create an alternative, parallel universe, where the characters, at that particular state, are recreated in that universe at their current power levels. They simply write stories for those characters. That is the benefit of being a writer: you can make up whatever you want and that is what they did. You missed all of the logic as to why your justification for what "state" they were in is wrong and I am right. Go back and address that. And, no, your "reason" does not make any sense, at all: it has no substance to why you are right and I am wrong. It is actually not a reason, at all, because of how the writers write those non-canon stories.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, it really does not. The 10 days bitween the finish of their time chamber training and the start of the cell games is really the only time big enough for the events of the Broly movie to have actually had a reasonable chance to actually happen. they were not doing anything else, and most of what happened during those 10 days actually never got any air time anyways.
Incorrect: the trip took multiple days and they stayed at least 2 days on New Vegeta. And what happened in those 10 days did get airtime. It has no reasonable chance to have actually happened. That is why it is non-canon.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
9 days if you cont Trunks and Vegeta's 2nd run. Thats still doable withjin 9 days, rather than less than 24 hiours your theory provides.
Incorrect, again. There were 9 days left when Gohan and Goku get out of the HBTC, literally stated in the manga. That leaves at least 1 day for Piccolo to have to train and 1 day for Trunks and Vegeta to have to train. That's not 10 days for the events of movie 8: that is now 7 days for movie 8 to have to occur. Then on top of that, you must subtract at least 2 days from that 7 left because of how long they spent on New Vegeta. So now we have 5 days left for a 2-way, interstellar trip. But wait, there's more! Goku tells Gohan that they will rest for 3 days, train for 3 days, and rest for 3 days in the real world. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c006/13.html
Then a couple of days pass from then (they go fishing, visit with Chichi, then go on a driving trip):
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c007/3.html
See, 7 days left, at that point. So those two are out.
Then Goku goes on to tell them, same day, that he is going to collect all of the dragonballs:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c009/4.html
Then the time period ends and it takes Goku the whole time to collect the rest of the balls:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c009/7.html
So now we are left with just a few hours for the events of Movie 8 to have to have occurred: impossible since they stayed at least 2 days on New Vegeta and then you have to account for the trip and then you have to account for at least 2 days of training for Piccolo and Vegeta and Trunks. So it is impossible for it to fit. So what else are we left with? Oh, that's right: that is why the movies are non-canon.
So this becomes the explanation for how the events can occur:
"...the writers did not 'pluck' them from anywhere. They just simply create an alternative, parallel universe, where the characters, at that particular state, are recreated in that universe at their current power levels. They simply write stories for those characters. That is the benefit of being a writer: you can make up whatever you want and that is what they did."
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Of which we see a miniscule fraction of on panel and even from onscreen filler in the Anime.
Incorrect: several episodes occur during that 10 day period. Making it even more impossible for the events of movie 8 to have occurred.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
How much time do you think the Broly movie actually took? they had 10 days minus Trunks & Vegeta's extra go, that leaves 9.
Incorrect: when Gohan and Goku come out, there are 9 days.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The time Paragus's ship took to arrive on New vegat from earth? I would say, 2 maybe 3 days.
I would say the same. HOORAY! We agree on something!
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Time spend on NV? perhaps 48 hours before Broly popped his top at most.
I disagree. I think it was faster than that. I think they spent a total of 2 days on New Vegeta. He popped his top on the first night they were there.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats 5 days.
Okay, I agree here, too.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And the trip home? 2 days, give or take.
Okay, I'll go with this. No problem: 2 days.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats 7 days total.
Okay, that sounds good. 7 days, thus far, in your account.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That still leaves 48 to 72 hours for the rest of the filler shite to occur...
I agree. But then you have to account for the day of training from Piccolo. That leaves 1-2 days. Then you have to account for the day of training from Vegeta and Trunks, again: that's 0-1 days left.
Then you have to account for the 7 days it took Goku to find the dragonballs: that's -6 to -5 days. Then you have to account for the 2 days Goku spent with his family before he started collecting the dragonballs: that's -8 to -7 days.
So, going by your measures (of which, I largely agree), we end up with a best case scenario of -7 days and a worst case scenario of -8 days. Obviously, that is impossible.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'll say this, one more time. There was actually NO DIFFERENCE in his apperance. His hairstyle remained unchanged, and he actualy wore then outfit Piccolo gave him as he left the Time Chamber. He wasn't wearing Saiyan armor... Your grasping for straws.
I'll say this one more time: he was older, post movie 8, in the cell games. He looked older, was older, and was taller.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
They were able to go ASSJ after their first go around in the Chamber.... Which is demonstrated in Vegeta's first fight with Cell, well before the time you picked for the Broly movie to occur...
That is if you falsely believe that Movie 8 occurred around this time: they never went ASSJ making this point of yours, wrong.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Plus, Neither Trunks nor Vegeta actually demonstrated anything new with that extra day in the time Chamber during the Cell games,
1. That may be true but Vegeta said that even with his extra day (for a total of 2 days), he was still weaker than Goku's less than a day stint in the HBTC:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c006/10.html
2. They did not go into the HBTC in the cells games, by the way. They did that before.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
they both were still being resoundly kicked by Cell Jrs... Nice way to hamstring yourself...
Incorrect: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v34/c011/5.html
Only Vegeta and Trunks could stand up to the Cell Juniors: Cell's own words.
Dude, you're so wrong about tons of stuff, man.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So, the fact that he doesn't use the form after getting his can Kicked by Cell, and told the faults of the form doesn't strike you even a little bit as the reason why he never used it on Broly?
That is not the point: it is the fact that he didn't use it, at all. The movie was supposed to occur during that 10 day period and they had those forms. Trunks could have greatly increased his power. With all of them fighting, Broly's speed would not have been enough to keep up and Trunks could have used that form to his advantage: he didn't. He didn't even use the ASSJ form nor did Vegeta.
