Originally posted by JakeTheBankIf he doesn't then DD would simply adapt to be more resistant which would make the fight harder to win. DD gets harder as the fight progresses so one must beat him early or he wins.
He doesn't need to one shot Doomsday to kick his bone spurred ass from one side to Olympus to the next.
^ Darkseid is not in the same power class as Zeus, not even close. If he were, Orion, and Superman would be as well, and that's just not how it is. Zeus would brutally beat Doomsday up. Just remember that Zeus can amplify his stats. Zeus may not be as powerful as Imperiex, but I'm betting that he has enough power to burn the flesh off of Doomsday like Imperiex did.
Originally posted by Stoic
^ Darkseid is not in the same power class as Zeus, not even close. If he were, Orion, and Superman would be as well, and that's just not how it is. Zeus would brutally beat Doomsday up. Just remember that Zeus can amplify his stats. Zeus may not be as powerful as Imperiex, but I'm betting that he has enough power to burn the flesh off of Doomsday like Imperiex did.
What feats does Zeus have that beats the OE feat with the missiles?
What feats of strength shows he can brutally beat Doomsday up?
What about DD's speed and relentlessness?
Originally posted by h1a8
What feats does Zeus have that beats the OE feat with the missiles?
What feats of strength shows he can brutally beat Doomsday up?
What about DD's speed and relentlessness?
Feats aren't the be all end all, while status as a premiere Sky Father isn't either, but just for shits and giggles, Zeus can transform into a mountain sized giant, and stomp, stomp, stomp on Doomsday. Darkseid on the other hand was turned into a whipping boy by Doomsday, who was also beaten so bad by Superman that he could not open his eyes. Darkseid also stated that Superman, and Orion were physical peers of his. Zeus is above these guys.
With this knowledge, you should realize that Zeus has never been written as a peer of some elite top tier, which is exactly what Darkseid had become.
I'm siding with Zeus on this one. I'd like to believe the Olympian lord of lightning would know a thing or two about speed, and I'm not sure his stamina is so little that he'd tire in any appreciable amount of time.
Plus, what are the limits of hand-to-hand? Can he charge his punches? He was able to seriously impair Hulk's ability to heal. Perhaps he could negate Doomday's ability to adapt.
Such is the power exhibited by Zeus!
Zeus can do all of these things, which pretty much turns Doomsday into a one trick pony.
Superhuman strength, Superhuman stamina, Superhuman agility, Superhuman reflexes, Healing factor, Immortality, Flight, Teleportation, Precognition, Shapeshifting, Time travel, Weather modification, Magical energy manipulation.
He would kill Doomsday, and bring him back, just to kill him again.
Originally posted by lft4ded
I'm siding with Zeus on this one. I'd like to believe the Olympian lord of lightning would know a thing or two about speed, and I'm not sure his stamina is so little that he'd tire in any appreciable amount of time.Plus, what are the limits of hand-to-hand? Can he charge his punches? He was able to seriously impair Hulk's ability to heal. Perhaps he could negate Doomday's ability to adapt.
Such is the power exhibited by Zeus!
The OP never says anything about this being limited to a brawl.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid is completely in the same ballpark as zeus. People should read about both characters before making wild claims. As for the fight, if its pak zeus he wins whether h2h or not. Any other version and its a toss up in h2h.
So I guess we should ignore what was said by Darkseid concerning being physical peers of Superman, and Orion? Which means that Zeus would also be a peer of these two as well. Is this what you're saying?
Originally posted by Stoic
So I guess we should ignore what was said by Darkseid concerning being physical peers of Superman, and Orion? Which means that Zeus would also be a peer of these two as well. Is this what you're saying?
Zeus' bird destroyed adamantium missiles, so there's that in retort to Darkseid's missile feat.
Darkseid also didn't seem to be written too well there either. Hell, Jurgens also had Darkseid be scared of Doomsday, so he really liked to write him up. Plus there's also the thing about Doomsday cheapshotting the dick out of him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Physical peer to superman isn't a low point. Darkseid has treated orion like child in physical department, manhandling him with one hand. Zeus was beaten up and crucified by some random titans whom hercules and thing were owning after that and ares once punched his teeth out.
Well it seems that Darkseid was retconned down to Superman's level. Unless the fight between him and Darkseid didn't happen. You know the one that Superman cut loose and broke his face? What about the one where Superman beat him up so badly that he couldn't open his eyes? Since the rules state that we go by the current versions unless stated otherwise, and DCnU Darkseid has little to no feats, I guess we go off of what was stated by Darkseid himself. He said that he was a physical peer of Superman and Orion.
If you want to believe that Superman could beat Zeus, more power to you, many others will disagree.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well it seems that Darkseid was retconned down to Superman's level. Unless the fight between him and Darkseid didn't happen. You know the one that Superman cut loose and broke his face? What about the one where Superman beat him up so badly that he couldn't open his eyes? Since the rules state that we go by the current versions unless stated otherwise, and DCnU Darkseid has little to no feats, I guess we go off of what was stated by Darkseid himself. He said that he was a physical peer of Superman and Orion.If you want to believe that Superman could beat Zeus, more power to you, many others will disagree.
Problem with "the most current version" rule you're arguing is the title is HUNTER/PREY Doomsday VS Zeus, so of course Pre-DCnU Darkseid is the one who's going to be used for comparison.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well it seems that Darkseid was retconned down to Superman's level. Unless the fight between him and Darkseid didn't happen. You know the one that Superman cut loose and broke his face? What about the one where Superman beat him up so badly that he couldn't open his eyes? Since the rules state that we go by the current versions unless stated otherwise, and DCnU Darkseid has little to no feats, I guess we go off of what was stated by Darkseid himself. He said that he was a physical peer of Superman and Orion.If you want to believe that Superman could beat Zeus, more power to you, many others will disagree.
Not to mention darkseid drops people like orion and firestorm with a wave of his hand and oneshots aggog who crushed orion and lightray simultaneously. Again, what's more embarrasing, getting beat by superman in a lengthy brawl after getting hit by omega beams or getting your teeth punched out by Ares?
