HP Doomsday Vs Zeus

Originally posted by Diesldude
Also just wanted to add, HP DD tanked getting hit by something Darkseid's ancestors tried in vain to attain. The OE was a power all the kings of Apokolips wanted it, this means that Skyfather level, even Elder God level beings wanted OE and only DS was able to get it. And because of this, I think OE is greater than Zeus' lightening bolts. HP DD tanked 2 back to back from point blank range and got back up and beat up DS in 2 panels, worse than thanos beating up on Surfer. This and the fact that superman amped with eradicator's energies and the motherbox was an annoyance to him is why I think HP DD takes this.

Darkseid is not in this thread, perhaps the OE was nerfed, because before his run in with the HP retard, only those thought to be essential were spared from being destroyed by it. You might want to take that up with the nerd who wrote the book.

Originally posted by Diesldude
This and the fact that superman amped with eradicator's energies and the motherbox was an annoyance to him is why I think HP DD takes this.

This is probably nitpicking, and very well could be considered getting off-topic, but I have to point-out Superman wasn't amped by the Eradicator's energies(meaning energy from the Eradicator himself), but had been powered-up by Kryptonite radiation that Eradicator had filtered and altered.

Originally posted by Stoic
Darkseid is not in this thread, perhaps the OE was nerfed, because before his run in with the HP retard, only those thought to be essential were spared from being destroyed by it. You might want to take that up with the nerd who wrote the book.

So because Darkseid isn't in the topic, his reasoning for why he thinks the Omega Effect, which Doomsday bounced back from, is so powerful is irrelevant? huh Guess then you can't bring-up anything Zeus did to opponents.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yes, because Zeus=/>Imperiex Prime.

If that's the case about Abhi's "agenda," then why did you bother in the first place?

No, it looks like a cop-out. You were arguing against Doomsday partially because of Darkseid. You equate Darkseid's physical power to his overall power, focusing on Darkseid's hand-to-hand losses and ignoring Abhi's examples of Darkseid's other abilities. Then, when you painted yourself into a corner, you suddenly jump to the rule of we discuss most current version if not specified, but ignored the fact that the topic is about H/P Doomsday, so thus we compare him to Pre-DCnU versions of characters he's faced, thus your argument of Post-FLASHPOINT Darkseid lacking feats as irrelevant.

If you think Zeus has enough physical power to win when discussing hand-to-hand, then fine. But leave trying to argue that Darkseid's physical stats are all that matters when comparing how Doomsday did against him in your gauging of Doomsday. Not to mention you've ignored some of the examples Abhi's brought-up painting Zeus in not such a good light.

And if being a peer to Orion and Superman and losing to Superman hand-to-hand is a bad showing, then what does that make the fight with Ares(if correct; I haven't seen it myself) that Abhi pointed-out?

Wrong. I simply won't waste my time debating with someone who would argue that Superman would give Galactus a good fight. It's just a waste of my time.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong. I simply won't waste my time debating with someone who would argue that Superman would give Galactus a good fight. It's just a waste of my time.

Another cop-out, I see.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Another cop-out, I see.

Zeus has the power set to defeat Doomsday while sitting on the crapper. Do I need to spell it out to you? This is a no contest. The idea that the OE did not work on Doomsday was due to plot, which is called PIS, and from what I remember there are rules against mentioning events related to PIS. Perhaps you should take some time to read them. Doomsday is not essential like Superman is, and therefore he should have been erased, and Darkseid should have never been in a position where he was shocked, and sat there as Doomsday rose from the crater, ran across the battle field and butt raped him in royal fashion. The very idea that he did not make another attempt at blasting him was in and of itself ridiculous. Which is another reason why I stated that Darkseid was not in this thread.

Back on topic. Zeus has the power set to defeat Doomsday in a number of ways. Which is why most people left it at Zeus stomps. Now if you want to believe that Doomsday wins this based on that horribly written book go right ahead. Just remember that if you don't like my answer that it's just my opinion.

Originally posted by Stoic
Zeus has the power set to defeat Doomsday while sitting on the crapper. Do I need to spell it out to you? This is a no contest. The idea that the OE did not work on Doomsday was due to plot, which is called PIS, and from what I remember there are rules against mentioning events related to PIS. Perhaps you should take some time to read them. Doomsday is not essential like Superman is, and therefore he should have been erased, and Darkseid should have never been in a position where he was shocked, and sat there as Doomsday rose from the crater, ran across the battle field and butt raped him in royal fashion. The very idea that he did not make another attempt at blasting him was in and of itself ridiculous. Which is another reason why I stated that Darkseid was not in this thread.

Back on topic. Zeus has the power set to defeat Doomsday in a number of ways. Which is why most people left it at Zeus stomps. Now if you want to believe that Doomsday wins this based on that horribly written book go right ahead. Just remember that if you don't like my answer that it's just my opinion.

The OE doesn't just erase people from existence... Or are you saying that's what Darkseid attempted to do?

Originally posted by Stoic
Zeus has the power set to defeat Doomsday while sitting on the crapper. Do I need to spell it out to you? This is a no contest. The idea that the OE did not work on Doomsday was due to plot, which is called PIS, and from what I remember there are rules against mentioning events related to PIS. Perhaps you should take some time to read them. Doomsday is not essential like Superman is, and therefore he should have been erased, and Darkseid should have never been in a position where he was shocked, and sat there as Doomsday rose from the crater, ran across the battle field and butt raped him in royal fashion. The very idea that he did not make another attempt at blasting him was in and of itself ridiculous. Which is another reason why I stated that Darkseid was not in this thread.

Back on topic. Zeus has the power set to defeat Doomsday in a number of ways. Which is why most people left it at Zeus stomps. Now if you want to believe that Doomsday wins this based on that horribly written book go right ahead. Just remember that if you don't like my answer that it's just my opinion.

I don't recall anything in HUNTER/PREY that had Doomsday survive because of a plot-device. Unless there's some other example you're referring to?

But that doesn't acknowledge how you've been arguing as if Darkseid's physical stats are all that matter, or the examples for Zeus fighting that Abhi pointed-out.

Also, I'm not so much arguing for either side as pointing-out the issues with what you've been doing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The OE doesn't just erase people from existence... Or are you saying that's what Darkseid attempted to do?

I know that the OE does other things. As for your question, I do believe that Darkseid was going for maximum stoppage, or he would have never said impossible. So yep I think he went for the kill. That scene in that book may have been worse than Spider Man beating Firelord, it certainly couldn't have been better.

Size doesn't matter to beings like Zeus, Odin Superman, Hulk. Can you prove Zeus' power stats amplify when he grows larger? that's not like the hulk who absorbed the gamma radiation from FFF and grew larger and got stronger. Being a sky father, Zeus can access his power which ever way he wants, can house it in his body or where he keeps it, but that doesn't guarantee that he grows in power, when Odin headbutted galactus was he that much stronger than his normal self? If he was why was Zeus who was at his normal size able to rock galactus and on that note, we don't know how much of an amp he was given by the chaos king to do what he did. I might be mistaken, but for all we know it could have been ck supplying all of the power because zeus was dead wasn't he?

Either way that's all speculation on your part. We don't know with 100% certainty that Zeus get's stronger as he grows taller nor do we know how much CK amped Zeus when he knocked a weary galactus. But we do know that HP DD tanked an attack that's on par with the BEST that Zeus has to offer and he physically destroyed a being who created Validus. When you say things like zeus destroys hp dd while in the crapper, it shows that you are running out of arguments.

Also i brought up DS "godlike" attacks as a comparison to Zeus' godlike attacks.

Wow, really? As bad as Spidey/Firelord?

It WAS Doomsday. Who had already evolved past Guardians, GLs, that Radiant guy etc. I won't say it was as bad as that, given that we've seen Darkseid's OE not putting Kryptonians down...

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that the OE does other things. As for your question, I do believe that Darkseid was going for maximum stoppage, or he would have never said impossible. So yep I think he went for the kill. That scene in that book may have been worse than Spider Man beating Firelord, it certainly couldn't have been better.

He states "Omega Beams," and talks about it burning hotter than the fires of Apokolips. Looks like he was going for disintegrating Doomsday instead of erasing him/it from existence.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't recall anything in HUNTER/PREY that had Doomsday survive because of a plot-device. Unless there's some other example you're referring to?

But that doesn't acknowledge how you've been arguing as if Darkseid's physical stats are all that matter, or the examples for Zeus fighting that Abhi pointed-out.

Also, I'm not so much arguing for either side as pointing-out the issues with what you've been doing.

What's your angle? Are you Abhi's sock account? His Lawyer? What? Arguing Darkseid in the past, and I'm not sure how long you have been posting on this forum, but it has literally gone from a sensible discussion to it wasn't the real Darkseid more times than I can count. Others will tell you the same.

The book in question was so dumb, that this is all that people could say about it in terms of it being Desaad in disguise over it being the real Darkseid. This is why I stated current version that had some history and not the DCnU Darkseid with his little to no feats. When Imperiex fried Doomsday's flesh off leaving only his skeleton, it showed what a celestial, or higher power could do to the creature.

Zeus has always been regarded as a higher power than the run of the mill Herald-Trans type characters. Darkseid of the past 18 years or so, has been painted as a High Herald to mid trans tier character at best, and that's really pushing it. Superman wrecking him once could have been argued to be PIS, but twice? To cement the deal, the writer specifically adds that Darkseid believes that Superman and Orion are his physical peers. If the continuity is off than so be it. That's all I have to say about that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wow, really? As bad as Spidey/Firelord?

It WAS Doomsday. Who had already evolved past Guardians, GLs, that Radiant guy etc. I won't say it was as bad as that, given that we've seen Darkseid's OE not putting Kryptonians down...

Yeah as bad as that, since he could have gone for the erase.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Size doesn't matter to beings like Zeus, Odin Superman, Hulk. Can you prove Zeus' power stats amplify when he grows larger? that's not like the hulk who absorbed the gamma radiation from FFF and grew larger and got stronger. Being a sky father, Zeus can access his power which ever way he wants, can house it in his body or where he keeps it, but that doesn't guarantee that he grows in power, when Odin headbutted galactus was he that much stronger than his normal self? If he was why was Zeus who was at his normal size able to rock galactus and on that note, we don't know how much of an amp he was given by the chaos king to do what he did. I might be mistaken, but for all we know it could have been ck supplying all of the power because zeus was dead wasn't he?

Either way that's all speculation on your part. We don't know with 100% certainty that Zeus get's stronger as he grows taller nor do we know how much CK amped Zeus when he knocked a weary galactus. But we do know that HP DD tanked an attack that's on par with the BEST that Zeus has to offer and he physically destroyed a being who created Validus. When you say things like zeus destroys hp dd while in the crapper, it shows that you are running out of arguments.

Also i brought up DS "godlike" attacks as a comparison to Zeus' godlike attacks.

Zeus can amplify his stats. Unless you believe that it was a class 70 that beat the brakes off of the Hulk. I wouldn't be surprised if you did, but whatever.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah as bad as that, since he could have gone for the erase.

True. I guess it was PIS then, because the whole point of the storyline was to show how badass H/P Doomsday was - it would be a very short comic if Darkseid had remembered what he was able to do!

Stoic, c'mon man, more speculations?

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that the OE does other things. As for your question, I do believe that Darkseid was going for maximum stoppage, or he would have never said impossible. So yep I think he went for the kill. That scene in that book may have been worse than Spider Man beating Firelord, it certainly couldn't have been better.

Well on that, I completely disagree.

Doomsday was, after all, the only creature that had ever made Darkseid feel genuine fear many years before. That could have easily affected Darkseid.

To say it's as bad as SvsFL is, if you'll pardon the expression, utterly ridiculous.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well on that, I completely disagree.

Doomsday was, after all, the only creature that had ever made Darkseid feel genuine fear many years before. That could have easily affected Darkseid.

To say it's as bad as SvsFL is, if you'll pardon the expression, utterly ridiculous.

Even though he could have erased him? He has the power to do so, just as Firelord had the power to roast Spiderman, but he instead played a cat and mouse game with him, and ended up as the mouse. It's your right to disagree -Pr-, but it does not remove the idea that Darkseid had the power all along to put a stop to the facade from jump street.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Stoic, c'mon man, more speculations?

What is it that you can't understand? Zeus at base is weaker than Hercules. He amplifies his physical stats period. It's one of his many powers. Doomsday simply can not keep pace with a guy that could do the things that Zeus can, nor would he ever have to allow this to become more than growing the size of a mountain,, stepping on him several times, to loosen shyt up, and punting him through the hell gate that he had opened behind Doomsday.

Originally posted by Stoic
Zeus can amplify his stats. Unless you believe that it was a class 70 that beat the brakes off of the Hulk. I wouldn't be surprised if you did, but whatever.

If he tries to punt DD, he'll cut his his foot in half.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Who said he was class 70?
No doubting that Zeus can amplify his stats to get past the Hulk or whatever, but his power isn't without limit. Also, why do you think a giant zeus is automatically more powerful? Size doesn't matter to beings when you are in this class. Was Odin more powerful when headbutted Galactus?

If he tries to punt DD, he'll cut his his foot in half.

His bio states that he is a class 70 at base. Since he has very little showings, one is forced to go off of his hand book entries. His power also does not have to be at the Living Tribunal's level to beat up on HP Doomsday. Again this isn't Hank Pym in Giant Man mode, this is Zeus who happens to be able to transmute matter. He could in fact regress Doomsday on a molecular level, which is another one of his powers. What can Doomsday do? Punch? Jump? evolve? Is there a no limits fallacy that can be placed on how powerful this guy can become, or is that only placed on the Hulk? You're inability to accept that Zeus would win shows me several things. However I won't be convinced that he would win if Zeus is actually allowed to use his powers like an intelligent and well written character.

Doomsday is outgunned here. Sorry that Darkseid didn't opt to finish things off, and was made to look like a butt monkey, but that's just how things went. Sorry about that.