Originally posted by abhilegend
Why don't you post the scan, then? We would all see how that would turn out. Zoom exists in a seperate timeline which is parallel to main timeline which he can manipulate, if what you said is correct surfer has to go outside time to observe time, he can't manipulate it. When he would return to normal timeline he can't do anything like that by your description. So he can go watch what flashes can do but upon returning he can't do anything to it. ****ing pathetic.
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Like I said anyway u look at it, it's no diff. In how Zoom access his power, while his is parrallel to time Surfer is sideways to it; it's also a little similar to Nightcrawler or Spot powers in a way..
This abilities gives him quite a big advantage specially with this much prep stipulation and this is only considering perception and detection of the opponents movement..
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedThe Power Cosmic being as game-breaking as you suggest is about as reliable as...
Kinda one-sided when one guy that has the power that could basically do anything he wishes with prep (surfer).If this was non prep it would be probably be dc as surfer's teamates will die in nanoseconds and his only chance would be to take the match to outerspace space and blow up the battlefield.
... arguing this Flash team wins in nanoseconds. If a Flash team has defeated a herald -- or multiple heralds since that would be relevant to this thread -- within the first nanoseconds of battle, I'd be more convinced.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Kinda one-sided when one guy that has the power that could basically do anything he wishes with prep (surfer).If this was non prep it would be probably be dc as surfer's teamates will die in nanoseconds and his only chance would be to take the match to outerspace space and blow up the battlefield.
What makes you think that his teammates die within nanoseconds? By feats he's not any more durable if at all then a couple of his teammates.
Edit: Phyla's in this? Seriously?
Originally posted by Uriel005
honestly I don't see how Flash can win when team 2 can start in astral form where the flash's can do nothing.
I didn't even see that. Someone suggested it as part of the prep? Good one.
Originally posted by Naija boy
like who pray tell?
Nova for one. Maybe Sersi as well. Just talking about straight durability, not stuff like being able to reform from atoms and things of that sort.
Originally posted by janus77
I doubt Nova would no-sell Savage Hulk's punches. Aside from Surfer, I've not seen any herald do that.
A no sell in comics mainly represents a strength and power advantage, not necessarily durability although its inherently a part of the package.
To your point though a punch from Savage Hulk would knock classic Nova all over the place, but he'd be relatively unharmed because he was mostly written as nigh invulnerable. That was his schtick so to speak. Adamantine edged weapons weren't able to leave a scratch on him, was shown to be as durable as Cannonball during an altercation etc.
Originally posted by Ambient
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5396951Like I said anyway u look at it, it's no diff. In how Zoom access his power, while his is parrallel to time Surfer is sideways to it; it's also a little similar to Nightcrawler or Spot powers in a way..
This abilities gives him quite a big advantage specially with this much prep stipulation and this is only considering perception and detection of the opponents movement..
Not to mention you don't know how zoom's power works
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/149/flashv2200page09bc6.jpg/
Surfer didn't show any sign that he could manipulate time to make himself faster. He was going ahead in time like all time-travelers do. Heck waverider has done it many times.
Originally posted by abhilegendNeither do they.Not to mention you don't know how zoom's power works
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/149/flashv2200page09bc6.jpg/
Originally posted by abhilegendThat was supposed to be set in PC days. It's also not really relevant to any other sort of "herald" either.
As for defeating heralds, an inexperienced Flash beat 400 green lanterns
Also, lol at MM destroying the rings. Or Mr Element being able to use Flash's powers like that
Originally posted by dmills
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Nova for one. Maybe Sersi as well. Just talking about straight durability, not stuff like being able to reform from atoms and things of that sort. [/B]
Nova is NOT more durable than Surfer. Not by a long shot and he does not have better durability feats. Neither does Sersi
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, it's the reason Bats could destroy any of his team mates at the drop of a hat.
Although I'm not sure how Barry's PC's feats vary from his Post, and the like. MehMM's best feat was done by someone else
Barry's feats weren't retconned by crisis. He is the only superhero, even GLs were retconned with emerald dawn. See when he was in 64th century and tried to stop entropic wall in zero hour.
Any surprises there?
