Branlor already brought-up how Billy was doing during um, whatever that INFINITE CRISIS lead-up's name was. I should note this was the same Spectre that beat Shazam, in Shazam's own realm, who had prepped ahead of time. Even if it couldn't be sustained, Diana wouldn't endure it long before defeat.
As for regular, Wonder Woman wasn't able to beat a temporarily handicapped Billy(broken arm and powers reduced; although shortly into the fight his full powers returned and his arm instantly healed) even though she was backed by Guy(with his alien powers), Kyle, J'Onn, Wally and maybe more. And they weren't mind controlled, the realm they were in merely fanned the flames of the bad in them or something like that. Neron specified it wasn't them being controlled, it was them being influenced.
Regular, they're pretty equal but Diana does have the lasso edge (and the lasso has been used to revert him at least twice) and is more of a tactician, so I'd give it to her.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Branlor already brought-up how Billy was doing during um, whatever that INFINITE CRISIS lead-up's name was. I should note this was the same Spectre that beat Shazam, in Shazam's own realm, who had prepped ahead of time. Even if it couldn't be sustained, Diana wouldn't endure it long before defeat.
Days of Vengeance, and yea, CM empowered by *every magic user on earth* is a bit impressive 🙂
On the flip side, her strongest is Trinity Wonder Woman, and in that form she might really be able to outlast him.
As for regular, Wonder Woman wasn't able to beat a temporarily handicapped Billy(broken arm and powers reduced; although shortly into the fight his full powers returned and his arm instantly healed) even though she was backed by Guy(with his alien powers), Kyle, J'Onn, Wally and maybe more. And they weren't mind controlled, the realm they were in merely fanned the flames of the bad in them or something like that. Neron specified it wasn't them being controlled, it was them being influenced.
Eh, J'onn's taking down Billy solo before when Billy was controlled by the Gray Man.
Sounds like, at best, they were fighting poorly. Kyle, J'onn, Diana, and Wally are each individually dangerous foes for him after all.
What story was that?
While I think J'onn can take down Billy, it's only fair to mention Cap just snapped out of his mind control, and wasn't even sure where he was, let alone he was in a fight with one of the most powerful characters on DC Earth.
But yeah, the Neron influenced fight doesn't prove much of anything, IMO. Just one of those "Hero faces impossible odds" moments that never reached a conclusion, and while a nice feat for Cap, proves nothing about 1 vs 1 battles, given the context.
Originally posted by Q99
Regular, they're pretty equal but Diana does have the lasso edge (and the lasso has been used to revert him at least twice) and is more of a tactician, so I'd give it to her.
During the WAR OF THE GODS storyline, Diana fought evenly simply because she was dodging his attacks, and he was sorta mind-controlled. So I dunno if she'd do as well when he's in his right mind. And he generally did better against Superman than Diana ever did.
Originally posted by Q99
Days of Vengeance, and yea, CM empowered by *every magic user on earth* is a bit impressive 🙂
I knew I remembered the name, but I couldn't spell "vengeance" right. 🙁
Originally posted by Q99
On the flip side, her strongest is Trinity Wonder Woman, and in that form she might really be able to outlast him.
I assume you mean the 52 issue TRINITY. Haven't read all the issues yet, so I'll have to
Originally posted by Q99
Eh, J'onn's taking down Billy solo before when Billy was controlled by the Gray Man.Sounds like, at best, they were fighting poorly. Kyle, J'onn, Diana, and Wally are each individually dangerous foes for him after all.
What story was that?
Billy was essentially sucker-punched when J'Onn forced Gray Man out of his mind. He also hurt J'Onn before Gray Many was forced out. That's why J'Onn attacked Cap, he specifically stated he was dazed, so he didn't notice the shift in minds. Gray Man-controlled Cap was about to finish the fight, then Billy's all, "WTF?"
As for the storyline where Cap fights that team, it was in I think UNDERWORLD UNLEASHED. I'd show the fight, but Photobucket seems to be having issues and some of the scans aren't showing-up right now. I'll post it later.
Originally posted by Delta1938Yeah it was that arc.
As for the storyline where Cap fights that team, it was in I think UNDERWORLD UNLEASHED. I'd show the fight, but Photobucket seems to be having issues and some of the scans aren't showing-up right now. I'll post it later.
I think it's just on your end. It happened to me yesterday when I'd click scans I posted and it would show up blank with a KMC link at the top.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah it was that arc.I think it's just on your end. It happened to me yesterday when I'd click scans I posted and it would show up blank with a KMC link at the top.
It seems most of the images are working, but when I was pulling-up the fight, some of them said "image down, we're working on it" or something along those lines. So I didn't want to show an incomplete fight.
Originally posted by Delta1938I don't know. Photobucket is a fickle *****.
It seems most of the images are working, but when I was pulling-up the fight, some of them said "image down, we're working on it" or something along those lines. So I didn't want to show an incomplete fight.
I just use Tinypic in the event of not wanting to log in.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I assume you mean the 52 issue TRINITY. Haven't read all the issues yet, so I'll have to
Busieks Trinity. Neat concept that had some moments, but overall fell flat, imo.
Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman represent some sort of abstract concept that lets them tap into creation energies from the Cosmic Egg, plus energies in the main DC universe, and basically become abstract level beings.
The trio was supposed to be as powerful combined as Krona, who himself absorbed a ton of Cosmic Egg creation energy.
I really liked the alternate trinity-less world.
Originally posted by Delta1938
During the WAR OF THE GODS storyline, Diana fought evenly simply because she was dodging his attacks, and he was sorta mind-controlled. So I dunno if she'd do as well when he's in his right mind.
Still got the martial arts skill edge.
And he generally did better against Superman than Diana ever did.
I think Diana has the better track record, in that she has an actual win. WW managed to cut his throat and have him helpless in Sacrifice, while CM vs Supes is pretty much always a draw.
Also, when CM and Superman fight, they tend to strait-up slugfest, rather than Superman using his range of powers. When WW and Superman fight, he's occasionally done slugfest, but on other times busted out his toolbox.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Has Cap ever shown any feats where he's actually using the Wisdom of Solomon? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is when he refused membership to Batman's alternate JLA in the Obsidian Age storyline.Isn't it MEANT to give him fighting knowledge etc as well?
It quite often gives him advice on matters like a villain not being what it seems and such.
It's not primarily a fighting ability.
Cap wins in both. In war of the gods ares was mindcontrolling and draining cap and even then all diana could do was to stalemate him for a few panel. Add in her low tolerance to electric attacks and his lightning amped punches would wreck her.
Originally posted by Q99
I really liked the alternate trinity-less world.Still got the martial arts skill edge.
I think Diana has the better track record, in that she has an actual win. WW managed to cut his throat and have him helpless in Sacrifice, while CM vs Supes is pretty much always a draw.
Also, when CM and Superman fight, they tend to strait-up slugfest, rather than Superman using his range of powers. When WW and Superman fight, he's occasionally done slugfest, but on other times busted out his toolbox.
Originally posted by Q99
I really liked the alternate trinity-less world.Still got the martial arts skill edge.
I think Diana has the better track record, in that she has an actual win. WW managed to cut his throat and have him helpless in Sacrifice, while CM vs Supes is pretty much always a draw.
Also, when CM and Superman fight, they tend to strait-up slugfest, rather than Superman using his range of powers. When WW and Superman fight, he's occasionally done slugfest, but on other times busted out his toolbox.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Has Cap ever shown any feats where he's actually using the Wisdom of Solomon? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is when he refused membership to Batman's alternate JLA in the Obsidian Age storyline.Isn't it MEANT to give him fighting knowledge etc as well?
It's given him awareness like a sixth sense. I remember in THE POWER OF SHAZAM! graphic novel how it let him just know things, some of them being useful in the fight, although it didn't give him like Martian Arts knowledge or anything.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If this happened in a comic, Billy would headbutt her, and while she's out of it, he lifts her bottom up and holds her head down.Then it fades to black
A hormone-driven young teenager with the stamina of Atlas.....
Originally posted by abhilegend
You have been corrected on this many times. Don't make me pwn you again.
*Pats abhilegend's head* Repeating isn't the same as being right 🙂
Delta1938
It's given him awareness like a sixth sense. I remember in THE POWER OF SHAZAM! graphic novel how it let him just know things, some of them being useful in the fight, although it didn't give him like Martian Arts knowledge or anything.
Yea. Like it might tell him what an enemy's weak point is, or if it's magic tell him the nature of their powers.