PG Thor vs PG Champion

Lulz as if one feat wins it. That attack wouldn't put Thor down and Thor tanked a double handed blast what went champ flying the first time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Lulz as if one feat wins it. That attack wouldn't put Thor down and Thor tanked a double handed blast what went champ flying the first time.

Not only was Thor blasted back by Thanos, but he looked to be in pain as well:

Same can be said about Champ. However, he got right back up and walked through(literally) Thanos' subsequent blast:

Not saying Thor couldn't have done the same, he just... Never did. Champion did, though.

Furthermore, Champ has more than just "one feat" under his belt.

He went on to destroy that very planet:

And he also beat the phuck out of the finest heralds out there:

Surfer, Warlock, Drax, Gladiator, and Bill.

The best feat Thor has with the gem is beating a few heralds, and fighting Thanos. That's why I said that Champ's gem-feats are more impressive. Regardless, I still see no way Thor can win here. Stalemate, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
You are suggesting that Thor /w/ gem is physically more powerful than Champ /w/ gem? Feats would suggest otherwise.

They both busted through Thanos' shields(though I'm pretty sure Thor didn't walk through any attacks as easily as Champ did.)
They both trounced multiple heralds.
They both busted a planet via physical means... Oh wait, only Champ did that.

mmm

Also keep in mind Thanos' shields vary in power. To me, the one he had for the Thor encounter was just some run of the mill one.. When he knows he going to be facing strong foes.. he brings the big boys... Omega, Galactus and CHampion come to mind. So I think Champion busting that Thanos shield was more impressive and he did take Thanos' attacks better than Thor.

Also, when did the narration say Champ was tapping into the gem.. not just subconciously without realizing it.. but actually tapping into it. Champion had the gem for a very long time and wasn't growing in power the way Thor was... Narration said Thor would be a threat to it and the universe if he was let to continue growing in power with it. I don't recall champion growing at that level.. nor any narration that he was a threat to the universe.. Could be wrong though...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Also keep in mind Thanos' shields vary in power. To me, the one he had for the Thor encounter was just some run of the mill one.. When he knows he going to be facing strong foes.. he brings the big boys... Omega, Galactus and CHampion come to mind. So I think Champion busting that Thanos shield was more impressive and he did take Thanos' attacks better than Thor.

Also, when did the narration say Champ was tapping into the gem.. not just subconciously without realizing it.. but actually tapping into it. Champion had the gem for a very long time and wasn't growing in power the way Thor was... Narration said Thor would be a threat to it and the universe if he was let to continue growing in power with it. I don't recall champion growing at that level.. nor any narration that he was a threat to the universe.. Could be wrong though...

Originally posted by Galan007
You are very quick to pop into thread and make snide comments. When you do, at least have your facts straight.

Not only was Thor blasted back by Thanos, but he looked to be in pain as well:

Same can be said about Champ. However, he got right back up and walked through(literally) Thanos' subsequent blast:

Not saying Thor couldn't have done the same, he just... Never did. Champion did, though.

Furthermore, Champ has more than just "one feat" under his belt.

He went on to destroy that very planet:

And he also beat the phuck out of the finest heralds out there:

Surfer, Warlock, Drax, Gladiator, and Bill.

The best feat Thor has with the gem is beating a few heralds, and fighting Thanos. That's why I said that Champ's gem-feats are more impressive. Regardless, I still see no way Thor can win here. Stalemate, imo.

Thor was finishing off the fodder Thanos sent at him when he blasted him from behind though. No doubt he was hurt by it, but he powered through it using Mjolnir as a shield next time. He got up failry quickly as well, though I could agree he took the blast harder than Champion did.

Thor did achieve something Champion didn't either though, he one shot Thanos' shields. Thanos put a barrier up immediately to stop Thor from landing a hit and the shield shattered like glass.

Thanos took down some heavy hitters himself. He one shot Drax, Maxam, and Silver Surfer also. Not to mention overpowered the assault by Strange and Adam. They all became one shots after he got the gem. Champion had extended fights with the others if I remember correctly.

My two cents anyway.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor was finishing off the fodder Thanos sent at him when he blasted him from behind though. No doubt he was hurt by it, but he powered through it using Mjolnir as a shield next time. He got up failry quickly as well, though I could agree he took the blast harder than Champion did.

Thor did achieve something Champion didn't either though, he one shot Thanos' shields. Thanos put a barrier up immediately to stop Thor from landing a hit and the shield shattered like glass.

Thanos took down some heavy hitters himself. He one shot Drax, Maxam, and Silver Surfer also. Not to mention overpowered the assault by Strange and Adam. They all became one shots after he got the gem. Champion had extended fights with the others if I remember correctly.

My two cents anyway.

-The uber-heralds Champion beat were so badly injured by his melee that they required medical attention after the fight in order to recuperate-- heck, Warlock was forced to wrap himself in a cocoon.

-The shield Thanos used vs. Champion was manifested via his tech/ship, whereas the shield he used against Thor was manifested solely by him. His ship's shielding>his personal shielding-- Galactus, for instance, had a tough time breaching his tech-based shielding.

-Champ still destroyed a planet, which seems far more impressive than anything Thor did with the gem.

Originally posted by Galan007
-The shield Thanos used vs. Champion was manifested via his tech/ship, whereas the shield he used against Thor was manifested solely by him. His ship's shielding>his personal shielding-- Galactus, for instance, had a tough time breaching his tech-based shielding.

Anyway. Thanos made a fool out of Champion, but that could be attributed to him thinking he's dangerous and wanting to avoid getting hit.
He brawled with Thor on the other hand.

I see a stalemate. Champ wasn't a ***** with the gem like Drax was at times (who Thor took out a couple times). If the Thanos incident proves anything, it's that he's incredibly resilent.

Looking back on this makes me realize how bad Bendis is going to make Thanos job as soon as he loses his powerups...

^ I see it as a stalemate as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree that their feats were similar in some areas, but a few things...

-The uber-heralds Champion beat were so badly injured by his melee that they required medical attention after the fight in order to recuperate-- heck, Warlock was forced to wrap himself in a cocoon.

-The shield Thanos used vs. Champion was manifested via his tech/ship, whereas the shield he used against Thor was manifested solely by him. His ship's shielding>his personal shielding-- Galactus, for instance, had a tough time breaching his tech-based shielding.

-Champ still destroyed a planet, which seems far more impressive than anything Thor did with the gem.

True enough for sure.

But I think it could have easily been the same in the Thor situation. It's just that once they were down, he didn't continue the beat down. He just one shot them, then that was the end of it. He stopped to monologue for a while after he put them down which is why Surfer had time to BFR him to Thanos' ship. Instead of going over and breaking their skulls.

Ah well there's no arguing that I guess. If they were only shields on his person and not the same ones that were used on Champion then it's not a fair comparison.

It was impressive for sure. His hit got compared to a nuclear arsenal or something similar. But as impressive as destroying a planet it is, I tend to think that showings against characters are more impressive. And Thor pretty much confirmed that even the most powerful heralds like Surfer, had now become one shot KO's to him.

oh question: Were the shields Thanos used in his fight with Odin the same ones he used with Thor? It's not really comparable to use a blast to a blunt force weapon attack, but I'm just curious.

Did Thanos even use shields in the Odin fight?

There was no shielding against Odin as I see it, but if there was, it certainly wasn't at the level of Galactus and Omega shielding. It would just be some run of the mill.. Natural Eternal Shielding.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Did Thanos even use shields in the Odin fight?

I don't believe so.. There was ZERO mention of it and it was shown at all. Unlike ALL the other incidents where it is draw or talked about or even ALLUDED to. In this situation, some people interpret a scan that shows a splash from Odin appearing to go around Thanos. Imo it was simply artistic depiction. Not some invisible shield never mentioned or alluded to.

Originally posted by Damborgson
And Thor pretty much confirmed that even the most powerful heralds like Surfer, had now become one shot KO's to him.

Beta Ray Bill (same guy who beat down a gemless B&T Thor, remember):

Gladiator:

Warlock:

And as the scans I posted above depict, Champ also beat Surfer and Drax to within an inch of their life.

I think Champ's got the better gem-feats. However, I don't see him beating Thor, just like I don't see Thor beating him... I agreed with the rest of your post, though. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Champion also proved that even the best heralds out there were absolutely nothing in comparison...

Beta Ray Bill (same guy who beat down a gemless B&T Thor, remember):

Gladiator:

Warlock:

And as the scans I posted above depict, Champ also beat Surfer and Drax to within an inch of their life.

I think Champ's got the better gem-feats. However, I don't see him beating Thor, just like I don't see Thor beating him... I agreed with the rest of your post, though. 👆

Well from our back and forths it looks like our disagreements are basically non-existent. And I can agree with what you're saying so my hats off to you 👆

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Did Thanos even use shields in the Odin fight?

I think he did.

That blast doesn't look like it's hitting Thanos to me.

All this proves is that Thanos is much stronger/more durable/more powerful than PG Drax, Surfer, Strange, Warlock, Glads, Beta, Maxam, most at the same time.

How does this make you feel Quan?

Just looks like Thanos no selling a casual blast from Odin to me.

Plus, if Thanos were using shields there, why didn't he use them when Odin busted out Gungir and put him into a wall? Or when Odin blasted Thanos and visibly hurt him earlier in the fight?

The blast warps around him though. And a much smaller hit sends him reeling a page or so later from a pimp blast. That one did not look warped at all.

Probably because they couldn't stand up the punishment. After Thor broke his shield he didn't use them again either.

Originally posted by Galan007
PG Drax was lulz-worthy.

Regardless, Champ still has the better gem-feat: planet-busting.