Originally posted by red sabreSuperboy wasn't killed right away in any of the four fights he had with Superman Prime. Few (if any) high heralds were killed right away. Much less those that possess an amp like the Power Gem.
yes because gladiator just recieving the power gem and knows 0 how to use it wont give him at first enough elevantion to survive an assault from superman prime who as we see in his fights attack severly and goes for the kill right away.as i said in relevance to what the PG suppose and should give the wielder it didnt give thor that much of a boost in relevance to what it could and suppose to.
there are past fights with thor vs thanos when thor was hurting thanos and even besting him in a straight up fight before dont act as if thanos is being untouched by averege thor.
Thor didn't know anything about the PG either. It doesn't matter. These theoretical heights that the Power Gem can offer are irrelevant red herrings. Gladiator doesn't need to study and use it to its fullest potential to threaten Superman Prime. Champion and Thor didn't need to.
Pre-Death upgrade Thanos was nearly romping Thor. And that's the only time Thor ever fought him before Blood and Thunder. Suffice it to say, you're pretty misinformed.
Originally posted by ODG
Superboy wasn't killed right away in any of the four fights he had with Superman Prime. Few (if any) high heralds were killed right away. Much less those that possess an amp like the Power Gem.Thor didn't know anything about the PG either. It doesn't matter. These theoretical heights that the Power Gem can offer are irrelevant. Gladiator doesn't need to study and use it to its fullest potential to threaten Superman Prime.
Pre-Death upgrade Thanos was nearly romping Thor. And that's the only time Thor ever fought him before Blood and Thunder. Suffice it to say, you're pretty misinformed.
so in your own words the fight with superboy is PIS , at least you got something right.
thor did know and was using it for a while and got used to it, hence the reason his power was increasing, its a well known fact the abilities you recieve from the PG depends on how well you can use it, saying otherwise is just stupid.
real their classic fights and educate yourself, thor never beat him however many times gave him a blow for blow fight before going down.
Originally posted by red sabreNone of the fights were PIS. Don't try to put words into my mouth. Superboy fighting him four times without being instantly wrecked isn't PIS. It's consistent and on-panel and the exact opposite of one-off, inconsistent PIS. Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Four times.
so in your own words the fight with superboy is PIS , at least you got something right.thor did know and was using it for a while and got used to it, hence the reason his power was increasing, its a well known fact the abilities you recieve from the PG depends on how well you can use it, saying otherwise is just stupid.
real their classic fights and educate yourself, thor never beat him however many times gave him a blow for blow fight before going down.
Thor only knew what the Power Gem was because the mere act of touching it gave him a feeling of pulsating power. Which presumably, isn't denied Gladiator unless you want to make up some arbitrary rule that Gladiator is not allowed to even feel, much less know about, the Power Gem's power.
That's classic Thanos before his upgrade. Read their classic fight (singular) and educate yourself by not pretending like that wasn't before his upgrade. And even then, Thor was getting nearly romped. Like I already told you. Way to ignore basic context.
Originally posted by ODG
None of the fights were PIS. Don't try to put words into my mouth. Superboy fighting him four times without being instantly wrecked isn't PIS. It's consistent and on-panel and the exact opposite of one-off, inconsistent PIS. Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Four times.Thor only knew what the Power Gem was because the mere act of touching it gave him a feeling of pulsating power. Which presumably, isn't denied Gladiator unless you want to make up some arbitrary rule that Gladiator is not allowed to even feel, much less know about, the Power Gem's power.
That's classic Thanos before his upgrade. Read their classic fight (singular) and educate yourself by not pretending like that wasn't before his upgrade. And even then, Thor was getting nearly romped. Like I already told you. Way to ignore basic context.
Lol you are getting caught in your own words, you said yourself that superboy wasnt killed by prime when much stronger opponents were, by saying that you basically admited yourself its a PIS.
of course it happened and its a PIS, we got superboy prime wrecking teams that consist of guys like superman martiam manhunter wonder woman power girl atc atc, we got prime pummeling to blood pulp an ION force wielder, we got prime busting anti monitor, we got prime treating superman like a biatch, but superboy is his main nemesis therefor they make it a PIS to give him a chance fighting his nemesis, at the end of the day prime beat superboy every single time, and superboy didnt cause any significant damage to prime unlike the opposite way around so whats your point?
so you are saying as soon as thor touched the PG he outomatically knew how to use it to its fullest? sorry you are making a clown out of yourself right now, i guess thats why with time he only got better with it and stronger right?
never did i say it wasnt before his upgrade, so? how is it relevant? dude you make no freakin sense, fact of the matter is thor fought thanos toe to toe and even with the fact he lost every time he still isnt a nobody to thanos and therefor acting as if PG thor did 100 times better than averege thor is retarded.
Originally posted by red sabreStop pretending like you can mischaracterize what I said. You can wish that you can twist my simple statement of on-panel fact into something else that doesn't utterly destroy your rhetoric. But you can't and you haven't.
Lol you are getting caught in your own words, you said yourself that superboy wasnt killed by prime when much stronger opponents were, by saying that you basically admited yourself its a PIS.of course it happened and its a PIS, we got superboy prime wrecking teams that consist of guys like superman martiam manhunter wonder woman power girl atc atc, we got prime pummeling to blood pulp an ION force wielder, we got prime busting anti monitor, we got prime treating superman like a biatch, but superboy is his main nemesis therefor they make it a PIS to give him a chance fighting his nemesis, at the end of the day prime beat superboy every single time, and superboy didnt cause any significant damage to prime unlike the opposite way around so whats your point?
PIS is a one-off, wildly inconsistent thing per forum rules. Superboy fought Superman Prime four times. And wasn't instantly killed any of those times. He even put up great fights, three of those times (when he isn't being suckerpunched out of the blue). Neither were there many (if any?) high heralds that were instantly killed by Superman Prime. B1tching and moaning doesn't make it PIS.
So acting like a high herald amped by the Power Gem would be instantly killed by Superman Prime is just your uncontrollable propensity to exaggerate and awful judgment manifesting itself.
Originally posted by red sabreWhat a stupid straw-man. Again with this "fullest utilization" of the Power Gem sh1t. I already dismantled that red herring. Pay attention you dullard. Thor knew what the Power Gem did and what it offered him simply by touching it. He just drew power. Like Gladiator will. Despite you wanting to prevent him from doing so.
so you are saying as soon as thor touched the PG he outomatically knew how to use it to its fullest? sorry you are making a clown out of yourself right now, i guess thats why with time he only got better with it and stronger right?never did i say it wasnt before his upgrade, so? how is it relevant? dude you make no freakin sense, fact of the matter is thor fought thanos toe to toe and even with the fact he lost every time he still isnt a nobody to thanos and therefor acting as if PG thor did 100 times better than averege thor is retarded.
Glad we agree that bringing up a weaker, unupgraded Thanos isn't relevant to current Thanos. I'm glad we can dispense with that particular red herring together. You can save your childish strawman of "zomg, y u thinkz PG Thor did 100x betterzzz?!?!?!?!" C'mon studly man, step your game up.
Originally posted by ODG
Stop pretending like you can mischaracterize what I said. You can wish that you can twist my simple statement of on-panel fact into something else that doesn't utterly destroy your rhetoric. But you can't and you haven't.PIS is a one-off, wildly inconsistent thing per forum rules. Superboy fought Superman Prime four times. And wasn't instantly killed any of those times. He even put up great fights, three of those times (when he isn't being suckerpunched out of the blue). Neither were there many (if any?) high heralds that were instantly killed by Superman Prime. B1tching and moaning doesn't make it PIS.
So acting like a high herald amped by the Power Gem would be instantly killed by Superman Prime is just your uncontrollable propensity to exaggerate and awful judgment manifesting itself. What a stupid straw-man. Again with this "fullest utilization" of the Power Gem sh1t. I already dismantled that red herring. Pay attention you dullard. Thor knew what the Power Gem did and what it offered him simply by touching it. He just drew power. Like Gladiator will. Despite you wanting to prevent him from doing so.
Glad we agree that bringing up a weaker, unupgraded Thanos isn't relevant to current Thanos. I'm glad we can dispense with that particular red herring together. You can save your childish strawman of "zomg, y u thinkz PG Thor did 100x betterzzz?!?!?!?!" C'mon studly man, step your game up.
blah blah blah, you got caught in your own web of words and now you are stuck and trying to make your way with all kind of orrelevant statements that in other words means "buwaaa" cry some more.
why should SBP kill superboy right away? did i say it should be that way at any point? again making things? come on its getting old, it is a PIS because the other fights which are the majority clearly portray prime owning the crap out of taugher and stronger character than superboy, fact of the matter is superboy is prime's nemesis just like slade was to flash, your statement equels to slade giving flash a fight every time they fight therefor its legit? really?
our argument was about superboy prime, the guy who got a fight from superboy prime which is PIS is superboy prime, this thread is about superman prime, which means a more powerful version of superboy prime with the guardian amp, how do you expect to get any credibility if you cant even get the versions right? just plain and simple genious i tell you.
so again are you saying just by touching the power gem you can outomatically a full control of its powers? no one said gladiator wouldnt know anything about the gem however to use it properly takes time and knowledge, hence why drax got owned with the power gem, why didnt drax or thor tap into its fullest power right away? how come thor got stronger with time? you are just a genious seriously.
was PG thor fighting new reborn thanos? i dont recall which version was that, i would like someone else to answer this question because you are just a liar, if indeed it was the new thanos then by what merge is he more powerful than the classic one? i thought its only the fact he cannot be killed, my statement still stands as it is because averege thor giving thanos a toe 2 toe fight indeed shows us that thanos is not way out of his league, therefor PG thor doing better to not so high degree doesnt impress me as far as a PG user.
Originally posted by red sabreTextbook projection.
blah blah blah, you got caught in your own web of words and now you are stuck and trying to make your way with all kind of orrelevant statements that in other words means "buwaaa" cry some more.why should SBP kill superboy right away? did i say it should be that way at any point? again making things? come on its getting old, it is a PIS because the other fights which are the majority clearly portray prime owning the crap out of taugher and stronger character than superboy, fact of the matter is superboy is prime's nemesis just like slade was to flash, your statement equels to slade giving flash a fight every time they fight therefor its legit? really?
I like how you're now incredulous that I suggested Superman Prime would kill Superboy right away considering you tried to act like even an amped Gladiator would have no chance against a Superman Prime who would go out for the kill right away and be stomped hard (your words).
Originally posted by red sabreThis isn't Guardian amp Superman Prime. Superboy Prime started calling himself Superman Prime in Sinestro Corps War. Way to miss the entire point of this thread. I like how I'm the one who should be mocked for not getting the versions right. Man, you are one special kid. Studly, too, amirite?
our argument was about superboy prime, the guy who got a fight from superboy prime which is PIS is superboy prime, this thread is about superman prime, which means a more powerful version of superboy prime with the guardian amp, how do you expect to get any credibility if you cant even get the versions right? just plain and simple genious i tell you.
Originally posted by red sabreGladiator isn't a functional retard like Drax. And I already dispensed with your inconsequential "fullest potential of PG" red herring. Beating up Supreman Prime does not require the fullest potential of the Power Gem, ffs.
so again are you saying just by touching the power gem you can outomatically a full control of its powers? no one said gladiator wouldnt know anything about the gem however to use it properly takes time and knowledge, hence why drax got owned with the power gem, why didnt drax or thor tap into its fullest power right away? how come thor got stronger with time? you are just a genious seriously.was PG thor fighting new reborn thanos? i dont recall which version was that, i would like someone else to answer this question because you are just a liar, if indeed it was the new thanos then by what merge is he more powerful than the classic one? i thought its only the fact he cannot be killed, my statement still stands as it is because averege thor giving thanos a toe 2 toe fight indeed shows us that thanos is not way out of his league, therefor PG thor doing better to not so high degree doesnt impress me as far as a PG user.
You don't recall anything that makes your arguments look dumb. Unfortunately for you, these things are plain facts. Learn em. I'll give you points though if you actually just subtly slipped in Guardian amp Prime as a way to back out of this entire trainwreck of your's. That's a pretty clever way of avoiding a dressing down.
Originally posted by ODG
Textbook projection.I like how you're now incredulous that I suggested Superman Prime would kill Superboy right away considering you tried to act like even an amped Gladiator would have no chance against a Superman Prime who would go out for the kill right away and be stomped hard (your words). This isn't Guardian amp Superman Prime. Superboy Prime started calling himself Superman Prime in Sinestro Corps War. Way to miss the entire point of this thread. I like how I'm the one who should be mocked for not getting the versions right. Man, you are one special kid. Studly, too, amirite? Gladiator isn't a functional retard like Drax. And I already dispensed with your inconsequential "fullest potential of PG" red herring. Beating up Supreman Prime does not require the fullest potential of the Power Gem, ffs.
You don't recall anything that makes your arguments look dumb. Unfortunately for you, these things are plain facts. Learn em. I'll give you points though if you actually just subtly slipped in Guardian amp Prime as a way to back out of this entire trainwreck of your's. That's a pretty clever way of avoiding a dressing down.
as i said earlier, you are reffering to superboy prime, this is superman prime.. different versions, do you even read and comprehend what i am typing? or are you just trolling on purpose?
yep superman prime will murder gladiator right away based on the fact he basically did it to martial manhunter and wonder woman without any trouble at all, and even if not right away do you think its a matter of seconds or even minutes until you gain a decent control of the PG? showings of both thor and drax tell us otherwise.
so now you are changing this thread and besically edit the guradian amp version into the averege suprboy? what a troll seriously Lol, if the OP was intending it to be the averege superboy prime i am very sure he would just write superboy prime, Superman Prime is superboy on the guardian amp nice trolling troll some more.
so again are you really suggesting the OP was talking about averege superboy prime when he clearly states superman prime? really?
beating up superman prime requires a decent degree of the PG, the gap between superman prime and gladiator is big, not unrealistic but big, a mid herald vs a high trans, we all saw how well drax did with no time with the PG, we all saw thor was getting stronger only when getting know better with the PG, and even with that time he still got a fight from thanos and wasnt owning him, gladiator gets no time with the PG, again acting as if controlling the PG takes no time or skills is retarded and contredicts its history.
this thread is discussing superman prime who will kill gladiator within seconds as he did to guys like martian manhunter and wonder woman versions from planet 15 that were meant to present how he will deal with the mainstream guys, trying to twist the thread into making it averege superboy prime is very pathetic and only shows that you are out of juice.
he murdered the planet 15 versions of them, however when the writer adressed that whole event he stated that he didnt want superman prime to kill off the mainstream guys however he intended to portray how well would he fair against diana and john, therefor he made a similar versions of them only from a different planet.
Originally posted by red sabreI'm not going to waste my time arguing a simple plain fact. Superboy Prime started calling himself Superman Prime in Sinestro Corps War. For someone who likes to toot this character's horn, you're revealing just how little you know of this character.
as i said earlier, you are reffering to superboy prime, this is superman prime.. different versions, do you even read and comprehend what i am typing? or are you just trolling on purpose?
Originally posted by red sabreI'm not going to waste my time with someone who refuses to admit that Superman Prime didn't near instantly murder many (if any) high heralds. Especially not Superboy. Feel free to cry more about it. Have fun re-resorting back to retard Drax though, considering how we went over how irrelevant he is. Hurts your argument, we know.
yep superman prime will murder gladiator right away based on the fact he basically did it to martial manhunter and wonder woman without any trouble at all, and even if not right away do you think its a matter of seconds or even minutes until you gain a decent control of the PG? showings of both thor and drax tell us otherwise.
Originally posted by red sabreLike I said, hard to know whether your genuinely dumb or just acting dumb to avoid being deconstructed further.
so now you are changing this thread and besically edit the guradian amp version into the averege suprboy? what a troll seriously Lol, if the OP was intending it to be the averege superboy prime i am very sure he would just write superboy prime, Superman Prime is superboy on the guardian amp nice trolling troll some more.so again are you really suggesting the OP was talking about averege superboy prime when he clearly states superman prime? really?
beating up superman prime requires a decent degree of the PG, the gap between superman prime and gladiator is big, not unrealistic but big, a mid herald vs a high trans, we all saw how well drax did with no time with the PG, we all saw thor was getting stronger only when getting know better with the PG, and even with that time he still got a fight from thanos and wasnt owning him, gladiator gets no time with the PG, again acting as if controlling the PG takes no time or skills is retarded and contredicts its history.
this thread is discussing superman prime who will kill gladiator within seconds as he did to guys like martian manhunter and wonder woman versions from planet 15 that were meant to present how he will deal with the mainstream guys, trying to twist the thread into making it averege superboy prime is very pathetic and only shows that you are out of juice.
I'm sure in this imaginary universe where Superman Prime killed Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter in seconds
Spoiler:, you fap away joyously in fanboy bliss. Based on real comics, Superman Prime doesn't near instantly kill high heralds, much less Superboy. So we don't pretend he'd near instantly kill a high herald with the Power Gem. Not with a straight face anyway.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/SupermanPrime05.jpg
Originally posted by red sabre
he murdered the planet 15 versions of them, however when the writer adressed that whole event he stated that he didnt want superman prime to kill off the mainstream guys however he intended to portray how well would he fair against diana and john, therefor he made a similar versions of them only from a different planet.
That's all well and good, but it means absolutely nothing in forum terms.
Originally posted by ODG
I'm not going to waste my time arguing a simple plain fact. Superboy Prime started calling himself Superman Prime in Sinestro Corps War.For someone who likes to toot this character's horn, you're revealing just how little you know of this character. I'm not going to waste my time with someone who refuses to admit that Superman Prime didn't near instantly murder many (if any) high heralds. Especially not Superboy. Feel free to cry more about it. Have fun re-resorting back to retard Drax though, considering how we went over how irrelevant he is. Hurts your argument, we know. Like I said, hard to know whether your genuinely dumb or just acting dumb to avoid being deconstructed further.
I'm sure in this imaginary universe where Superman Prime killed Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter in seconds, you fap away joyously in fanboy bliss. Based on real comics, Superman Prime doesn't near instantly kill high heralds, much less Superboy. So we don't pretend he'd near instantly kill a high herald with the Power Gem. Not with a straight face anyway.
i will ask you again, are you really trying to edit this thread and twist the version to be the averege one? if that was the case the thread starter would simply reffer to him as superboy prime, opening a thread about superman prime means the superman prime versions, your straw grasping is really pathetic.
not closely as much as you like to do that with phoenix force namor who got like 3 feats 😕
yes he did, he killed a copy version of martian manhunter with 1 hand, he owned diana with a punch, killed zod superman with an iceberg toss, one shotted a planet, treated a freakin monitor like his girl the monitor wasnt even fighting back he knew what will happen,Superman Prime was insanely amped and to try and act as if gladiator can give him a fight is redicilous.
superman prime never fought superboy, superboy prime fought superboy.
i already explained the simple facts that everybody know, it takes time and knowledge of the PG to use its powers properly, thats why drax didnt get much of it, this is why thor only got stronger with time after he was getting used to it, trying to act otherwise is stupid, unless you can provide any evidence that as soon as you touch the PG you outomatically got axcess to its full powers.
insulting wont help you here you already made a complete fool out of yourself on so many levels, just the fact you got confuced with the prime versions and then was trying to cry it out by trying and actually edit the versions to fit your argument is already dumb on a whole different level.
he killed off a copy versions og martian manhunter and wonder woman within seconds, it was stated by the writer himself it was meant to portray how easily he can kill those characters only thing the writer didnt want to kill off the mainstream guys so he introduced as to same guys from a different universe.
superman prime never fought superboy, superboy prime fought superboy.
do you honestly believe it takes only minutes to access the higher levels of the PG even when facts show us otherwise? how long will a fight last between gladiator and the superman prime versions? it was presented it takes some decent time and skills to access the higher degrees of the PG and even that wasnt enough, do you honestly believe a fight between superman prime who took on monarch and was kicking his ass before the amp starter to fade away and gladiator will last long enough for gladiator to access some serious levels or understand the PG? that makes no sense and contredicts logic, reality, comics, and the human intelect.
Originally posted by red sabreDid you really not know that the second time we see Superboy Prime he starts insisting that everybody call him Superman Prime, and everybody does? Honestly. Just trying to measure whether you've even bothered to read his stories.
i will ask you again, are you really trying to edit this thread and twist the version to be the averege one? if that was the case the thread starter would simply reffer to him as superboy prime, opening a thread about superman prime means the superman prime versions, your straw grasping is really pathetic.not closely as much as you like to do that with phoenix force namor who got like 3 feats
Oh, yes, please bring that trainwreck into this thread here. I would so love to continue that conversation where you completely went e-spastic and quite literally went slobbering epileptic seizure over how blatant your hypocrisy is when dealing with Superman Prime. That was phucking classic. You insisting that Thor "hurt" Phoenix Namor with an all but meaningless blow but Superboy doesn't "hurt" Superman Prime when he draws his blood and outright scars his chest. Haha. You're the gift that keeps on giving.
Originally posted by red sabreTake your confusion and educate yourself. You can start by reading Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman Prime and pretty much every single appearance of Superman Prime thereafter where he's called Superman Prime.
yes he did, he killed a copy version of martian manhunter with 1 hand, he owned diana with a punch, killed zod superman with an iceberg toss, one shotted a planet, treated a freakin monitor like his girl the monitor wasnt even fighting back he knew what will happen,Superman Prime was insanely amped and to try and act as if gladiator can give him a fight is redicilous.superman prime never fought superboy, superboy prime fought superboy.
i already explained the simple facts that everybody know, it takes time and knowledge of the PG to use its powers properly, thats why drax didnt get much of it, this is why thor only got stronger with time after he was getting used to it, trying to act otherwise is stupid, unless you can provide any evidence that as soon as you touch the PG you outomatically got axcess to its full powers.
insulting wont help you here you already made a complete fool out of yourself on so many levels, just the fact you got confuced with the prime versions and then was trying to cry it out by trying and actually edit the versions to fit your argument is already dumb on a whole different level.
he killed off a copy versions og martian manhunter and wonder woman within seconds, it was stated by the writer himself it was meant to portray how easily he can kill those characters only thing the writer didnt want to kill off the mainstream guys so he introduced as to same guys from a different universe.
superman prime never fought superboy, superboy prime fought superboy.
do you honestly believe it takes only minutes to access the higher levels of the PG even when facts show us otherwise? how long will a fight last between gladiator and the superman prime versions? it was presented it takes some decent time and skills to access the higher degrees of the PG and even that wasnt enough, do you honestly believe a fight between superman prime who took on monarch and was kicking his ass before the amp starter to fade away and gladiator will last long enough for gladiator to access some serious levels or understand the PG? that makes no sense and contredicts logic, reality, comics, and the human intelect.
Superman Prime in the meantime, didn't kill high heralds near instantly, much less dudes like Superboy (even with four separate chances). He's not killing Gladiator near instantly and especially not near instantly with an amp like the Power Gem. As much as you wish Gladiator wouldn't access the Power Gem like any user has who wasn't a functional retard like Drax.
Originally posted by red sabreOf course I had them ready for use. Considering you acted like Superboy never toppled, staggered, hurt or scarred Superman Prime and I had to scan them for you here and prove otherwise: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=568028&pagenumber=11
the scan you posted is irrelevant because thats superboy prime without the guardian amp, by the way ODG i notice you got scans of SBP being punched ready for use, did prime really punched into our reality and burned your house or something? i smell some weird agenda against a drawn character.
What a hilarious thread. 😂