Originally posted by StoicBeta Ray Bill
Perun
Classic Hercules with Mace
Bast
Ajak
Red Norvell
Thunderstrike
IMO, these are the guys (besides Thor), who aren't pure fodder, though they aren't much better than fodder. Thunderstrike might be the weakest of them, and BRB, Red Norvel and Ajak are the 3 best of the bunch. But at most they are each surviving 3 hits, unless they work together REALLY well and use shielding. I'm really undecided on this fight actually.
If this was WWH or lower with these amps, I'd go with the team easily. But WBH with these amps just might be too much.
But that Thor one on one against this Hulk is not winning IMO. Adding in the team MIGHT be enough to push him over the edge, even if they just serve as a distraction.
Have you guys considered just what level of power the Hulk under these stips would be walking around with? Without anything look at half of the mess that he created within the Dark Dimension, and to be honest, even without Betty's help the material that was destroyed in that dimension was still only able to resist a certain amount of power, and I believe that either had the power to displace or pulverize that amount of real estate alone at the power levels that they were on.
Now the Hulk has a Red Ring that has him going wild from the door without restraint, the PG that I am assuming he can consciously amp from, and a nearly indestructible hammer... Oh an he can fly at warp speeds? I can see Thor being the last one standing, but he doesn't win here.
Originally posted by Stoic
Have you guys considered just what level of power the Hulk under these stips would be walking around with? Without anything look at half of the mess that he created within the Dark Dimension, and to be honest, even without Betty's help the material that was destroyed in that dimension was still only able to resist a certain amount of power, and I believe that either had the power to displace or pulverize that amount of real estate alone at the power levels that they were on.Now the Hulk has a Red Ring that has him going wild from the door without restraint, the PG that I am assuming he can consciously amp from, and a nearly indestructible hammer... Oh an he can fly at warp speeds? I can see Thor being the last one standing, but he doesn't win here.
Don't take this question as me making fun of you because I'm asking seriously, but do you think this Hulk is at the level of a skyfather? (not necessarily a high one like Odin, but low, or mid perhaps)
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That Thor was also amped greatly by the Odin Force itself. Enough to push through planet destroying blasts with hardly any harm to show for it. I don't see WBH, amped as he is, putting an end to the contest with anything resembling ease.
The shield took most of the brunt of the blast, if not all of it. I'm also no secure in calling the hit a planet buster, as the planet that they were on did not bust. There was wide scale devastation, but not on the level of what we saw during the Dark Dimension.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Don't take this question as me making fun of you because I'm asking seriously, but do you think this Hulk is at the level of a skyfather? (not necessarily a high one like Odin, but low, or mid perhaps)
I decline to answer this question, but I will say that he would be on the level of a high cosmic character. Sky Father to me begins to step into the realms of mysticism, and it would be the wrong category to place a character with this version of the Hulk within in terms of power flavor.
Originally posted by Stoic
I decline to answer this question, but I will say that he would be on the level of a high cosmic character. Sky Father to me begins to step into the realms of mysticism, and it would be the wrong category to place a character with this version of the Hulk within in terms of power flavor.
Fair enough. I wonder mainly because I'd actually lean towards this team giving a low skyfather some trouble (assuming they all went exotic with their powers).
^^ I'll say it, this hulk with pg, red ring and Nul's hammer is above Odin. The red ring will fuel wbh's rage to epic proportions and the pg will power the ring and it will never run out of juice. Now if he uses it to shield himself with the pg? Who is going break them AND overcome his insane durability before he shatters his hammer on them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nope.It's conceivable he wins, but amped Thor alone is giving him a hell of a fight.
The Hulk would be far stronger than Thor x2. The first to go would be that shield, by means of forcibly taking it from him. There is no logical way to argue Thor being a physical peer to the Hulk with the PG, and with a constant rage storm brewing via the Red Ring. There would be nowhere that Thor could go that the Hulk would not be able to follow without BFRing himself. His team mates are one shot away from comatose or worse.
That belt drains Thor because it overclocks his natural state, which in turn drains his stamina twice as quickly. I really don't think that there would be a huge contest here Jake, not in terms of power. Not when you consider both characters at base have gone toe to toe, while Thor was screaming Kill you.
The Hulk is geared with more powerful artifacts this time around.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk would be far stronger than Thor x2. The first to go would be that shield, by means of forcibly taking it from him. There is no logical way to argue Thor being a physical peer to the Hulk with the PG, and with a constant rage storm brewing via the Red Ring. There would be nowhere that Thor could go that the Hulk would not be able to follow without BFRing himself. His team mates are one shot away from comatose or worse.That belt drains Thor because it overclocks his natural state, which in turn drains his stamina twice as quickly. I really don't think that there would be a huge contest here Jake, not in terms of power. Not when you consider both characters at base have gone toe to toe, while Thor was screaming Kill you.
The Hulk is geared with more powerful artifacts this time around.
You're glossing over the fact that the shield is imbued with a significant portion of the Odin Force. Also the fact that Thor is packing way more than sheer physicality.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nope.It's conceivable he wins, but amped Thor alone is giving him a hell of a fight.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Not really. Beating an amped Thanosi with context =/= beating WBH backed by the PG, his own already extremely high rage + the ring + the PG feeding his amps and a Mjolnir equivalent with flight. Thor loses here and loses hard.
What context?
He pushed through planetary destroying power, and destroyed his amulet prior to beating him down, all the while explaining how grossly amped Thanosi was. Not much more context to add outside of leaving out the fact that Odin himself bestowed a vast portion of the Odin Force to Thor and his shield.
Considering how powerful Thanosi was as well as Thor, I don't see how any can claim that this isn't a competitive fight. The idea that this Hulk is at or even beyond Odin's level is likewise ridiculous.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're glossing over the fact that the shield is imbued with a significant portion of the Odin Force. Also the fact that Thor is packing way more than sheer physicality.
The ring is amplified by rage, and the ring is amplifying the Hulk's rage, it also has powers that are not physical. It would make the Hulk's durability climb to a crazy degree as well. and then you factor in the PG that when Thor held it was said to threaten the universe, then you have the Hulk with the ability to fly at warp speed due to the ring, and he also has a nearly indestructible hammer. His strength would be out the ass. Tell me how Thor stops the Hulk from forcibly taking the shield from him, or just ripping his arm off to take it, and add to his already impressive array of toys?
The only instance that I could see Thor putting up a fight against the Hulk with all of these tools, is in a plot related book, but here? Nah he's outgunned. This thread is border line spite tbh.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What context?He pushed through planetary destroying power, and destroyed his amulet prior to beating him down, all the while explaining how grossly amped Thanosi was. Not much more context to add outside of leaving out the fact that Odin himself bestowed a vast portion of the Odin Force to Thor and his shield.
Considering how powerful Thanosi was as well as Thor, I don't see how any can claim that this isn't a competitive fight. The idea that this Hulk is at or even beyond Odin's level is likewise ridiculous.
Firing planetary blasts will do literally nothing to the Hulk in this thread, even without all the amps, the planetary+ collision with Betty did nothing to him. Also nothing stopping Hulk from separating Thor from the shield, and then swiftly beating him down with his own hammer backed by a ridiculous amount of physical force. Far greater than a 2x amped Thor or a Thanos clone or Thanos himself.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
That Thanos fought like an idiot and lost after Thor took away his amp.Firing planetary blasts will do literally nothing to the Hulk in this thread, even without all the amps, the planetary+ collision with Betty did nothing to him. Also nothing stopping Hulk from separating Thor from the shield, and then swiftly beating him down with his own hammer backed by a ridiculous amount of physical force. Far greater than a 2x amped Thor or a Thanos clone or Thanos himself.
How did he fight like an idiot?
He literally destroyed a planet with hardly any effort and then directed that power against Thor, who pushed through it. I think directing that kind of power directly against an opponent is pretty smart, but maybe that's just me.