Red Lantern Hulk vs Gods

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why would it do that? Especially when the Odin Force's latent abilities greatly amplify physical attributes such as durability and stamina? Someone like Heimdall, with a smaller portion of the Odin Force than what Thor received, was able to effortlessly no sell Mjolnir to the face and perform feats beyond the likes of Masterson Thor. Someone as powerful as Thor is normally with an even larger portion of the Odin Force is approaching skyfather levels rather easily.

Assuming the Odin Force would somehow effectively drain Thor at all, much less faster than normal because of the belt is a large stretch and one not alluded to or shown in the comic.

I'm going to have to go back and re-read those issues, because I do not remember Odin imbuing Thor with the Odin Force, but rather enchanting items that would give him the boost that was seen in those books. Also we know that those items were not indestructible after seeing what one blast from the Thanosi did to the shield. Also @ Bran, I could see this version of the Hulk beating the mess out of Tyrant, and if you gave him the Mind Gem I could see him rip Galactus as well. Not just the Hulk, but any being given enough time to acclimate themselves with these weapons. Perhaps a thread should be made on it?... hmmm.

Originally posted by Stoic
First off, I'm not angry.

It was not Odin fighting the Thanosi, it was Thor with enchanted gear that Odin enchanted. There are also powers out there that are above Odin's enchantments, and Odin himself. The truth of the matter is that the Power Gem is 1/6th the power of a being that would snap his fingers and Odin would go bye bye.

I have the book that you are speaking of, which I believe is the Mighty Thor issue 25, and although I know that Thor was powered up in that book, his power ups do not make him more powerful than what the Power Gem could bestow upon a wielder that is written to wield it without adding PIS to the mix. The reason that Power Gem users don't outright destroy their opponents on a physical level is due to plot, because it wouldn't make for a very good story if a PG user walked out and finger flicked everyone's favorite super tights.

The items that Thor has in his possession were shredded, so to launch a campaign on the possibility of the Hulk's item's being destroyed, while not thinking the same of Thor's is a bit short sighted.

Again, I'm not angry, just telling it as it is from my perspective. There are those that believe that Momo the Squirrel and his side kick Acorn would give the Hulk a beating, but I know what that's all about.

I know the context of Thor's items and amps, and i also did not see the Nul KO that so many claimed happened. All I saw was Nul getting floated, while speaking inaudibly in space, which I could claim that he said lucky phucker for all I know, but I did not see a KO, other than Thor's collapse. If so why wasn't the Hulk KO'd when he landed in Vampireville?

What we do know is that the Red Ring would amplify the Hulk's rage, and the Hulk would in turn amplify the Red Ring, which would give the both incredible power alone. Then we factor in the PG, which is an infinite weapon by all rights, or it would not be called an infinity gem, and then we have the hammer. You by all means are entitled to believe what you want, but I see Thor being ripped away from his shield. having little to no visible offensive power in terms of his ability to wound this super durable version of the hulk polarized by red ring energy for added armor, and the PG boosting his already ridiculous damage soak to heights that Thor would not be able to climb.

So again, no I'm not upset in the least real talk.

Of course it wasn't Odin fighting the Thanosi. It was Thor with enchanted gear which was further bolstered by a very large and significant portion of the Odin Force itself, as much as Odin could spare. Yes, I'm fully aware that there are powers and items more potent than Odin himself. The Power Gem in of itself is not one of them. When backed by the other gems, Odin is insignificant, but the Power Gem alone doesn't equal 1/6 of that power. The whole is much larger than the sum of its parts.

There's what the Power Gem's capabilities are and then there's what it does on panel. Based on feats of beings who had the Power Gem and that Gem alone, why should I believe that they tapped into that power? Look at Drax, Thor, Champion, and the Hood. Did they display anything even close to 1/6 of omnipotence as what you're claiming? No. It would be folly to assume that in a forum thread, all of a sudden they're wielding that kind of power and ignoring actual feats with the gem without being backed by the other ones. You can't write off all their feats as PIS and in the same breath assume Hulk will somehow use the Power Gem to its utmost capability. Yes, he'll be extraordinarily powerful, but nothing close to the levels you seem to believe.

They were shredded by prolonged power output from Thanos, who was weilding power enough to easily destroy planets with gestures and if unchecked a universal threat. Not sure how you think the Red Ring and Nul Hammer would be more durable than a grossly amped Mjolnir. A regular Mjolnir is capable of shattering other hammers at expense of its own durability. Unless you think the Power Gem would increase the durability of the other items, which again, is a stretch as we're basically assuming abritrarily what levels this Hulk would be at.

Sure seems like you're annoyed about how some view Hulk here.

Who even brought up Nul? I'm talking about the actual hammer here, not Fear Itself.

Fact is, on panel, the Power Gem alone doesn't give someone infinite power by themselves. It's when combined and amplified by the other gems does some obtain that infinite power you're discussing and it's consistent with on panel feats.

Unless you want to not count them due to being PIS.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm going to have to go back and re-read those issues, because I do not remember Odin imbuing Thor with the Odin Force, but rather enchanting items that would give him the boost that was seen in those books. Also we know that those items were not indestructible after seeing what one blast from the Thanosi did to the shield. Also @ Bran, I could see this version of the Hulk beating the mess out of Tyrant, and if you gave him the Mind Gem I could see him rip Galactus as well. Not just the Hulk, but any being given enough time to acclimate themselves with these weapons. Perhaps a thread should be made on it?... hmmm.

I probably should have posted these earlier as maybe it would made my argument clearer, admittedly.

Here we clearly see Odin bestowing as much of the Odin Force as he possibly could.

Here we see Thor clearly being amplified by the Odin Force imbued gear, going as far to say that even Mjolnir is more powerful than before. We even see the gear surging with power. It can't get any more clear than that.

Looks like Odin just made the gear glow so it would be easier for Thor to put on since it was dark.

Originally posted by Mindset
Looks like Odin just made the gear glow so it would be easier for Thor to put on since it was dark.

You made a funny. Very good.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I probably should have posted these earlier as maybe it would made my argument clearer, admittedly.

Here we clearly see Odin bestowing as much of the Odin Force as he possibly could.

Here we see Thor clearly being amplified by the Odin Force imbued gear, going as far to say that even Mjolnir is more powerful than before. We even see the gear surging with power. It can't get any more clear than that.

he clearly says that the belt doubled his strength, not multiplied it by a factor of 9000. Sorry Thor would be crushed once that shield is removed from him.

Originally posted by Stoic
You made a funny. Very good.

he clearly says that the belt doubled his strength, not multiplied it by a factor of 9000. Sorry Thor would be crushed once that shield is removed from him.

barker

That's the belt's original function he's pointing out. Once he puts on all his gear he then marvels over the Odin Force further powering him up. So yeah, Odin further enchanted the gear with the Odin Force itself as much as he could possibly spare short of killing him or leaving him comatose in need of the Odinsleep. How you're arguing against this still is beyond me. Pure speculation on your part that Hulk with random amps and arbitrarily decided upon effects on him would crush a Thor with actual feats under his belt.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
barker

That's the belt's original function he's pointing out. Once he puts on all his gear he then marvels over the Odin Force further powering him up. So yeah, Odin further enchanted the gear with the Odin Force itself as much as he could possibly spare short of killing him or leaving him comatose in need of the Odinsleep. How you're arguing against this still is beyond me. Pure speculation on your part that Hulk with random amps and arbitrarily decided upon effects on him would crush a Thor with actual feats under his belt.

Where does it say that it increased his power by the factor of 9000? He clearly says it in the scan that you provided. Everyone knows exactly what the Power Gem does. Everyone knows what the Red Ring does, and in the Hulk's case he would be an absolute monster, aside from being one during World Breaker mode alone. Everyone also knows what Nul's hammer brings to the table, so I don't see how this is speculation on my part. In fact I believe that you have speculated upon the amount of power the Odin Force is actually giving Thor, while dismissing the fact that the belt of strength saps his stamina due to over clocking his full strength. He clearly says on panel, and I repeat that the belt multiplies his strength by a factor of 2, and not this wild imaginative number of 9000. Can you point me to where it says he is 9000 x his base stats? He certainly is more durable, but by what factor? Does it even say?

Originally posted by Stoic
Where does it say that it increased his power by the factor of 9000? He clearly says it in the scan that you provided. Everyone knows exactly what the Power Gem does. Everyone knows what the Red Ring does, and in the Hulk's case he would be an absolute monster, aside from being one during World Breaker mode alone. Everyone also knows what Nul's hammer brings to the table, so I don't see how this is speculation on my part. In fact I believe that you have speculated upon the amount of power the Odin Force is actually giving Thor, while dismissing the fact that the belt of strength saps his stamina due to over clocking his full strength. He clearly says on panel, and I repeat that the belt gives multiplies his strength by a factor of 2, and not this wild imaginative number of 9000. Can you point me to where it says he is 9000 x his base stats? He certainly is more durable, but by what factor? Does it even say?

Where are you even getting the number 9000 from? I sincerely hope it's not my earlier comment stating that Thor's power level was over 9000...facepalm That's a DBZ reference/meme.

Because if you're pulling out random unproven numbers out, this is going to turn into an h1 style thread in no time, and I'd rather not have that.

Yeah, we know what the Power Gem does and the ring and Nul hammer. We also know what a significant portion of the Odin Force is capable of. A sliver of it makes someone who's a mid meta be able to effortlessly no sell a high herald being. A small portion also makes a being being able to endure an attack which would outright kill a high herald with only a broken rib. And this Thor has been given a large amount per Odin himself.

"...as much as the Odin Force as possible" should tell us how much OF Thor is working with here. How my stating of that is speculation when the comic states as much is beyond me.

You bringing up the stamina sapping of the belt, when it was clearly not shown or mentioned in that comic - likely due to the fact that the Odin Force was literally surging from the items and into Thor himself - is more speculation. Pretty sure Jurgens would have touched upon that given how much research he clearly did on prior Thor stories. Another thing you're not getting is that, yes, at base levels, the belt increases Thor's strength by two. The Odin Force itself though, does that and (much) more by virtue of on panel feats. And per Odin himself, Thor got a vast majority of it.

There's more facts and on panel evidence supporting my position and less guess work than there is assuming Hulk will use the Power Gem on a level the likes of which would be beyond anyone else who ever used it as that he'll literally have 1/6th of the power of the Infinity Gauntlet itself.

OK, I just thumbed through the comic, Jake you made me go and get the book. If you go back and read the comic, Thor without any gear was able to take a prolonged ass beating from Thanosi, and again this was Thor at his base levels. He was even able to nearly beat the tar out of Mangog before unleashing a blast down his throat (only a pervert would take that the wrong way).

Forwarding it a bit, we see Thor while clothed in his new raiment and increased stats hurl Mjolnir at the Thanosi with what I would assume was his best hammer toss, because why the heck would he hold back, when the Thanosi is about to ruin everyone's day, week, year, life? Anywho, the hammer slams harmlessly against the Thanosi's back, and richochets careening off to i don't know. the Thanosi then unleashes a barrage of energy, which sends Thor into protector mode, shielding Tarene from the blast. And still no mention of him being more than 2x base strength. We also see that Thanosi blast the shield so hard that it begins to shatter, so we now know that it was not indestructible, tough, but not indestructible. I would go as far as to say that aside from Mjolnir, that the shield was the toughest object in Thor's possession at that time. Although, come to think of it Mjolnir falls in that same category of being very tough, but not indestructible.

I never mentioned or gave Thor a number outside of him being 2x base. I was in fact going by your earlier statement, which I believed to be you saying that Thor had increased his base by a factor of 9000.

Yeah, Thor was taking licks from Thanos, but it was before Thanos tapped into the powers of the Amulet and Chalice. When Thanos did tap into those said powers, Thor was easily placed in the energy web which was powerful enough to easily slay Firelord.

After being amped, Thor's shield is capable of enduring a prolonged blast from Thanos, who, with the same energy, blew up a planet with a stray thought. The fact that he was actively focusing on Thor and clearly wanted him eliminated leads us to believe - rightfully so - that Thanos wanted Thor removed from the equation. The fact that the shield endured a prolonged attack capable of easily smiting planets and that Thor himself was able to endure the attack before closing the distance is more than enough evidence to suggest that he was operating on a completely different level. And that was without using an amped Mjolnir to simply absorb the energy from Thanos like he did earlier in the arc before Thanos became all powerful.

I'll say that Mjolnir was definitely more durable than the shield in any case.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Where are you even getting the number 9000 from? I sincerely hope it's not my earlier comment stating that Thor's power level was over 9000...facepalm That's a DBZ reference/meme.

Because if you're pulling out random unproven numbers out, this is going to turn into an h1 style thread in no time, and I'd rather not have that.

Yeah, we know what the Power Gem does and the ring and Nul hammer. We also know what a significant portion of the Odin Force is capable of. A sliver of it makes someone who's a mid meta be able to effortlessly no sell a high herald being. A small portion also makes a being being able to endure an attack which would outright kill a high herald with only a broken rib. And this Thor has been given a large amount per Odin himself.

[b]"...as much as the Odin Force as possible" should tell us how much OF Thor is working with here. How my stating of that is speculation when the comic states as much is beyond me.

You bringing up the stamina sapping of the belt, when it was clearly not shown or mentioned in that comic - likely due to the fact that the Odin Force was literally surging from the items and into Thor himself - is more speculation. Pretty sure Jurgens would have touched upon that given how much research he clearly did on prior Thor stories. Another thing you're not getting is that, yes, at base levels, the belt increases Thor's strength by two. The Odin Force itself though, does that and (much) more by virtue of on panel feats. And per Odin himself, Thor got a vast majority of it.

There's more facts and on panel evidence supporting my position and less guess work than there is assuming Hulk will use the Power Gem on a level the likes of which would be beyond anyone else who ever used it as that he'll literally have 1/6th of the power of the Infinity Gauntlet itself. [/B]

Although Odin states such, the comic gave Thor a solid number of 2x base, not more not less. Perhaps the enchantment of items of power in and of itself tuckers him out. This does not mean or give anyone reason to automatically believe that his creations gives their wielder Odin's level of power, or his abilities in combat or otherwise. Anything outside of 2x base is wild speculation, and 2x base just won't do against the Hulk under the OP's stips.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Thor was taking licks from Thanos, but it was before Thanos tapped into the powers of the Amulet and Chalice. When Thanos did tap into those said powers, Thor was easily placed in the energy web which was powerful enough to easily slay Firelord.

After being amped, Thor's shield is capable of enduring a prolonged blast from Thanos, who, with the same energy, blew up a planet with a stray thought. The fact that he was actively focusing on Thor and clearly wanted him eliminated leads us to believe - rightfully so - that Thanos wanted Thor removed from the equation. The fact that the shield endured a prolonged attack capable of easily smiting planets and that Thor himself was able to endure the attack before closing the distance is more than enough evidence to suggest that he was operating on a completely different level. And that was without using an amped Mjolnir to simply absorb the energy from Thanos like he did earlier in the arc before Thanos became all powerful.

I'll say that Mjolnir was definitely more durable than the shield in any case.

Bill blew up a planet while in freefall with Asteroth, and Stardust in tow. The Hulk and Betty blew up a planet/s by colliding with each other, but then we give him the PG, and a Red L Ring, plus Nul's hammer. No just no bro, Thor would lose here, and it would not be pretty.

Originally posted by Stoic
Although Odin states such, the comic gave Thor a solid number of 2x base, not more not less. Perhaps the enchantment of items of power in and of itself tuckers him out. This does not mean or give anyone reason to automatically believe that his creations gives their wielder Odin's level of power, or his abilities in combat or otherwise. Anything outside of 2x base is wild speculation, and 2x base just won't do against the Hulk under the OP's stips.

Odin gave the existing gear the further and added benefit of being amplified with the Odin Force itself.

Thor mentioned how the belt of strength increases his physical strength by x2. After putting on all of the gear, he then states he feels the Odin Force itself coursing through him, extending even to Mjolnir itself. That is something which the belt of strength clearly does not do. All evidence of the Odin Force and its latent amping abilities shows us that physical attributes are increased exponentially. Small portions of the Odin Force make Heimdall capable of no selling Mjolnir to the face. Larger amps make Thor endure the same attacks which would have killed him outright.

This amp, according to Odin, was fairly significant and everything he could possibly spare.

It's not hard to put two and two together. Certainly easier to attempt to quantify Thor's overall formidability based on actual on panel evidence than to make guess work over Hulk and assumption over him using his amps effectively.

Originally posted by Stoic
Bill blew up a planet while in freefall with Asteroth, and Stardust in tow. The Hulk and Betty blew up a planet/s by colliding with each other, but then we give him the PG, and a Red L Ring, plus Nul's hammer. No just no bro, Thor would lose here, and it would not be pretty.

And?

It was made highly evident that Thanos in this arc, once he had all the artifacts, would be capable of extinguishing life itself across the universe. A stray bolt of that energy destroyed a planet. Thor pushed through a prolonged and extended beam of that same power.

I haven't even touched on the result if the red ring is drained or destroyed or removed the host dies. Which is within Thor's capability with Mjolnir.

Thor pushed through while behind a shield, and before ever being given the new gear. What does that tell you? It tells me that Thor at base has gone at it with merged Hulk screaming Kill You, and was only able to hold his own. Now we have a Hulk at a much greater level, equipped with artifacts which would make him far more powerful, despite your sttempts to nullify them as a factor, by acusing me of speculating what their effects on the Hulk would be, when we both know... scratch that, everyone knows exactly what these artifacts do, and their powers. Should we Wiki alert them for shits and giggles, or pour through what a Red L Ring does in a 101 class scenario, Nul's hammer we know by reading Fear Itself is a powerful weapon. We Know that the PG makes it's wielder nearly indestructible, we know that as the Hulk's strength increases that his durability increases, we know that Red L Rings give their wielders high level shielding, while increases the wielders rage levels, and what do we know about the Hulk when he's raging?

Now this isn't just any old run of the mill Hulk, this is the Hulk at HOTM world breaking levels. now let's factor in the Red Ring again, and all i see, is the Hulk stepping on Thor, and forcibly removing the shield just before ripping his gloves off, and removing that belt, to beat him with.

Hulk curbstomps the team in a minute flat.

Nothing they can do about it at all.

Bait thread accidentally made into a spite thread in favour of the one keith was using as bait.

I'm nullifying them as a factor by not thinking that Hulk would use the Power Gem better than anyone else before him and that'd he tap into 1/6 the energy of the whole Gauntlet?

Bringing up Wikipedia articles to cite what each of these artifacts do don't help you. We all know what they do on panel.

The funny thing here is that I've acknowledged how powerful this Hulk would be, but because I think a Thor amped with a large and significant portion of the Odin Force could give him a fight I'm somehow not giving Hulk credit or something. Considering the shit a weakened Odin is capable of to say nothing of how minor OF amps greatly boost users in the physical sense - again, all on panel and no need for speculation - to think that Thor couldn't give Hulk a fight in this state is absurd. As is thinking that, somehow, the Odin Force would cause Thor to burn out more quickly than before when that wasn't even mentioned or alluded in the comic published.

Fact of the matter is that the Odin Force at high enough levels is more potent than an Asgardian hammer and a Red Lantern ring. Not really disputable at all and anyone who argues as much doesn't know enough about the OF or amps in particular to make an informed decision. The Power Gem, to that end, is more of a significant amp than the other ones and even that isn't foolproof per on panel evidence of its various wielders.

By all means, feel free to bring up on panel evidence to prove me wrong.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm nullifying them as a factor by not thinking that Hulk would use the Power Gem better than anyone else before him and that'd he tap into 1/6 the energy of the whole Gauntlet?

Bringing up Wikipedia articles to cite what each of these artifacts do don't help you. We all know what they do on panel.

The funny thing here is that I've acknowledged how powerful this Hulk would be, but because I think a Thor amped with a large and significant portion of the Odin Force could give him a fight I'm somehow not giving Hulk credit or something. Considering the shit a weakened Odin is capable of to say nothing of how minor OF amps greatly boost users in the physical sense - again, all on panel and no need for speculation - to think that Thor couldn't give Hulk a fight in this state is absurd. As is thinking that, somehow, the Odin Force would cause Thor to burn out more quickly than before when that wasn't even mentioned or alluded in the comic published.

Fact of the matter is that the Odin Force at high enough levels is more potent than an Asgardian hammer and a Red Lantern ring. Not really disputable at all and anyone who argues as much doesn't know enough about the OF or amps in particular to make an informed decision. The Power Gem, to that end, is more of a significant amp than the other ones and even that isn't foolproof per on panel evidence of its various wielders.

By all means, feel free to bring up on panel evidence to prove me wrong.

The Odin Force did not give Thor anything outside of the on panel citation. The Odin Force was stitched into battle raiment, that gave Thor an increase of base X2 stats from what on panel canon cites. Anything more is wild speculation, and base X2 Thor is not enough. have you ever factored in that the spell itself wore Odin out, and it takes that much of his power to give Thor the added toughness, strength, and stamina? No you didn't you just believe that Thor was in possession and using a large portion of the Odin Force, when this was never stated on panel.

Even before the amp Thor was taking a blast from Thanos, and seen pushing through it, although it was killing him, but he did in fact take a large dose, and again he was without the raiment. Thor at base was unable to defeat the merged Hulk in an arctic tussle, and was not holding back. How do we know this? Well he was screaming Kill You, and really attempting to kill the merged Hulk. The merged Hulk would be one shot KO'd by World Breaker Hulk based on canon. Thor was able to tap into the PG and was in retard mode when he wielded it, Drax was a dumb ass, so he never could quite get the hang of it, the Champion has diverging and often non contiguous showings while in possession of the Power Gem which border on the contradictory, which by all right should leave the reader asking if it was a canon event.

Plot often plays a large part as to why the wielder of the PG doesn't beat their opponent with one finger, but again that would make for a horrible story. We both know that the Hulk is not mentally challenged, nor was he when he was in WB mode, he was in full control of his faculties, as were the PG wielders that were able to tap into the gem on a higher level.

You know what the Red Ring does, and can pretty much rely on how it would effect the Hulk. it's kind of like giving Mistress Death a Black Lantern Ring, and wondering what it would do for her.

Look if you can find one citation that states that Thor was greater than 2x base stats then I will agree with it, but i have the book lying right next to me, and for the life of me I can not find it.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Odin Force did not give Thor anything outside of the on panel citation. The Odin Force was stitched into battle raiment, that gave Thor an increase of base X2 stats from what on panel canon cites. Anything more is wild speculation, and base X2 Thor is not enough. have you ever factored in that the spell itself wore Odin out, and it takes that much of his power to give Thor the added toughness, strength, and stamina? No you didn't you just believe that Thor was in possession and using a large portion of the Odin Force, when this was never stated on panel.

Even before the amp Thor was taking a blast from Thanos, and seen pushing through it, although it was killing him, but he did in fact take a large dose, and again he was without the raiment. Thor at base was unable to defeat the merged Hulk in an arctic tussle, and was not holding back. How do we know this? Well he was screaming Kill You, and really attempting to kill the merged Hulk. The merged Hulk would be one shot KO'd by World Breaker Hulk based on canon. Thor was able to tap into the PG and was in retard mode when he wielded it, Drax was a dumb ass, so he never could quite get the hang of it, the Champion has diverging and often non contiguous showings while in possession of the Power Gem which border on the contradictory, which by all right should leave the reader asking if it was a canon event.

Plot often plays a large part as to why the wielder of the PG doesn't beat their opponent with one finger, but again that would make for a horrible story. We both know that the Hulk is not mentally challenged, nor was he when he was in WB mode, he was in full control of his faculties, as were the PG wielders that were able to tap into the gem on a higher level.

You know what the Red Ring does, and can pretty much rely on how it would effect the Hulk. it's kind of like giving Mistress Death a Black Lantern Ring, and wondering what it would do for her.

Look if you can find one citation that states that Thor was greater than 2x base stats then I will agree with it, but i have the book lying right next to me, and for the life of me I can not find it.

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Odin blessed the gear with the Odin Force, including the Belt of Strength which already increases Thor's strength by x2. Thor goes on to say he can feel the Odin Force surging through him and that even Mjolnir's power has been upgraded.

The Belt of Strength, without augmentation, doesn't do that. Thor had no idea that Odin blessed the items further. All on panel evidence goes to support Thor being amped by the Odin Force to a greater degree than just the belt on its own. Trying to cap Thor off as x2 strength just because that was the only number thrown out there is ridiculous when we know from on panel evidence that the Odin Force boosts any host/user's physicality to levels far FAR above the norm. It has been consistent with its entire history in comics and I can literally cite multiple examples of it doing so. How you don't get that or why you refuse to is frankly ridiculous and growing tiresome.

Giving Hulk a Red Ring is now akin to giving Mistress Death a Black one? WTF.

The Odin Force doesn't give someone a clear number of how much stronger/tougher/formidable they become. It does, however, have a history of making everyone who becomes bestowed with it significantly more powerful.

Fact of the matter is that the Odin Force trumps both an Asgardian hammer and a Red Lantern ring. No one sane can dispute that nor dispute that Thor was bolstered by the Odin Force and by all that Odin could spare him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Odin blessed the gear with the Odin Force, including the Belt of Strength which already increases Thor's strength by x2. Thor goes on to say he can feel the Odin Force surging through him and that even Mjolnir's power has been upgraded.

The Belt of Strength, without augmentation, doesn't do that. Thor had no idea that Odin blessed the items further. All on panel evidence goes to support Thor being amped by the Odin Force to a greater degree than just the belt on its own. Trying to cap Thor off as x2 strength just because that was the only number thrown out there is ridiculous when we know from on panel evidence that the Odin Force boosts any host/user's physicality to levels far FAR above the norm. It has been consistent with its entire history in comics and I can literally cite multiple examples of it doing so. How you don't get that or why you refuse to is frankly ridiculous and growing tiresome.

Giving Hulk a Red Ring is now akin to giving Mistress Death a Black one? WTF.

The Odin Force doesn't give someone a clear number of how much stronger/tougher/formidable they become. It does, however, have a history of making everyone who becomes bestowed with it significantly more powerful.

Fact of the matter is that the Odin Force trumps both an Asgardian hammer and a Red Lantern ring. No one sane can dispute that nor dispute that Thor was bolstered by the Odin Force and by all that Odin could spare him.

Well let's just put it this way because this is indeed becoming tiresome. thor at base levels did not outright die, when Thanosi bathed him in all of the power that he blasted him with, which Thor was able to push through, then he gets the amp and is given enough power to resist long enough to get within reach of the necklace, which he rips off of the Thanosi, and goes on to pummel him. It wasn't even Thor who finally put him out, it was Tarene's tears. So once again you did not prove that Thor was greater than 2x Base stats. This is based on what the book shows the reader. But just out of curiosity, how many times greater do you believe Thor was? because at base, I know for a fact that the Hulk was operating at 1000x greater than base Wendigo, or Bi-Beast who have given the Savage Hulk fights that lasted as long as Savage Hulk vs Thor battles of the past. Merged Hulk was physically defeated by Trauma, who happened to be inferior to his father Arm'Cheddon, and Arm'Cheddon was literally stomped with ease before and during the Dark Dimension excursion.

Now once again the Hulk has a Red L Ring while in WB Mode, which is increasing his power, The PG, and Nul's Hammer. you shouldn't be the one claiming an incredulous stance here, rather it should be me wondering how anyone could believe that Thor of issue 25 could do more than flee or be beaten to death. Thor at base would never, and I mean ever be able to go toe to toe with the Hulk while he was in the Dark Dimension when he could not put the merged Hulk down in the arctic. And that's by going off of history, without adding any toppings.