Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wasn't that Thanosi about to destroy the universe?And Thor pushed through it...
Yes.
To say that this Thor stands no chance against Hulk, amped as he is, is insane. The guy had a ridiculous amp from not only his items, but the Odin Force itself, which is something I think people are missing or not getting.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes.To say that this Thor stands no chance against Hulk, amped as he is, is insane. The guy had a ridiculous amp from not only his items, but the Odin Force itself, which is something I think people are missing or not getting.
Thor got a shield with a protection spell, his gauntlets, and his belt all delivered to him by Firelord. Thor did not take a direct blast from the Thanosi, the shield took the blast. When did Odin stand in front of him and specifically bless him with the Odin Force? When did Odin impart a portion of the Odin Force to Thor, as in juice him up the way Galactus did to Norrin Radd? Or did he imbue the shield with a strong protective spell?
What keeps the Hulk from getting close enough to Thor, and yanking that shield away from him after he stuffs the other members of his team up Herc's butt hole?
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor got a shield with a protection spell, his gauntlets, and his belt all delivered to him by Firelord. Thor did not take a direct blast from the Thanosi, the shield took the blast. When did Odin stand in front of him and specifically bless him with the Odin Force? When did Odin impart a portion of the Odin Force to Thor, as in juice him up the way Galactus did to Norrin Radd? Or did he imbue the shield with a strong protective spell?What keeps the Hulk from getting close enough to Thor, and yanking that shield away from him after he stuffs the other members of his team up Herc's butt hole?
He blessed all the items with the Odin Force - as much as he could possibly spare short of rendering him powerless and due for another bout of Odin Sleep - which in turn amped Mjolnir and Thor himself. Yes, it was the items which were enchanted, but the act of the OF being bestowed upon him had the effect of making Thor himself much more powerful. He even states this multiple times in the comic, which I'm re-reading right now. Concerning the shield taking the brunt of it, the shield was eventually vaporized, forcing Thor to endure the blast itself before closing the gap between he and Thanosi.
Thor being vastly more powerful than normal and being able to use Mjolnir and its vast array of abilities to give him space for one.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The Odin Force was put into the Belt of Strength...
And the shield and gauntlets as well. And the items surging with the Odin Force also directly amped Thor and Mjolnir, too. He says it on panel and we see Thor basically surging with energy.
So yeah, Thor was turned into Legendary Super Asgardian due to these items.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankOh I realize. But the Odin Force amping the belt of strength is the most prominent way to prove it flowed into Thor, as that's the whole purpose of the belt, and it being able to be blessed means he wasn't just dealing with a simple double strength upgrade.
And the shield and gauntlets as well. And the items surging with the Odin Force also directly amped Thor and Mjolnir, too. He says it on panel and we see Thor basically surging with energy.So yeah, Thor was turned into Legendary Super Asgardian due to these items.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Oh I realize. But the Odin Force amping the belt of strength is the most prominent way to prove it flowed into Thor, as that's the whole purpose of the belt, and it being able to be blessed means he wasn't just dealing with a simple double strength upgrade.
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The fact we see Odin doing this and stating it and Thor stating his power level is over 9000 should be enough, but whatever. I also guarantee that his items are going to be more durable than the ring and hammer Hulk have as well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He blessed all the items with the Odin Force - as much as he could possibly spare short of rendering him powerless and due for another bout of Odin Sleep - which in turn amped Mjolnir and Thor himself. Yes, it was the items which were enchanted, but the act of the OF being bestowed upon him had the effect of making Thor himself much more powerful. He even states this multiple times in the comic, which I'm re-reading right now. Concerning the shield taking the brunt of it, the shield was eventually vaporized, forcing Thor to endure the blast itself before closing the gap between he and Thanosi.Thor being vastly more powerful than normal and being able to use Mjolnir and its vast array of abilities to give him space for one.
It gives him space for an ass whipping. Even when the Hulk went into World Breaker mode people sat there claiming that Thor would still be able to wipe the floor with him, even though he could not wipe the floor with the Hulk at a far weaker level, but that was waived off as CIS mixed with PIS. Was the Tutinax showing also PIS, and CIS? It happened twice. Since when does Thor ever come out blasting anti force blasts, and G blasts from the door? By the time it dawns on him that he can't take his opponents full measure, and maybe he should have resorted to those tactics it's too late, because his opponent is upon him.
This is the CIS that people usually speak of, but never tell the other part of the story. The reason that Thor was unable to use his exotics against Tutinax, and the Hulk in the past was because he simply didn't have the precious space to do so as seen in his fight with Tutinax. I mean is he supposed to say hold on a sec Tuti, let me show you my special move?
I'm beginning to believe that the Hulk would need the IG to defeat Thor in the minds of his fans, because I would give Wolverine the win over Thor under these stips. Odin is only so powerful, and the PG alone is supposed to allow it's user the ability to hit harder than even Odin. The only reason that Odin would ever beat a PG user is due to his other esoteric abilities, but it would never be due to him outdoing what the Power gem can put out. Poorly written stories will tell you otherwise, but the Power Gem is supposed to give its wielder Infinite Power, and to say that Thor in his retarded state was actually tapping a device that needs to be focused for desired effects is nearly as ridiculous as believing that Thor would be able to hold onto that shield once the Hulk decides he's going to confiscate it.
What's even worse are there are those who believe that others on his team would be more than the fodder that they are in this situation.
Originally posted by Stoic
It gives him space for an ass whipping. Even when the Hulk went into World Breaker mode people sat there claiming that Thor would still be able to wipe the floor with him, even though he could not wipe the floor with the Hulk at a far weaker level, but that was waived off as CIS mixed with PIS. Was the Tutinax showing also PIS, and CIS? It happened twice. Since when does Thor ever come out blasting anti force blasts, and G blasts from the door? By the time it dawns on him that he can't take his opponents full measure, and maybe he should have resorted to those tactics it's too late, because his opponent is upon him.This is the CIS that people usually speak of, but never tell the other part of the story. The reason that Thor was unable to use his exotics against Tutinax, and the Hulk in the past was because he simply didn't have the precious space to do so as seen in his fight with Tutinax. I mean is he supposed to say hold on a sec Tuti, let me show you my special move?
I'm beginning to believe that the Hulk would need the IG to defeat Thor in the minds of his fans, because I would give Wolverine the win over Thor under these stips. Odin is only so powerful, and the PG alone is supposed to allow it's user the ability to hit harder than even Odin. The only reason that Odin would ever beat a PG user is due to his other esoteric abilities, but it would never be due to him outdoing what the Power gem can put out. Poorly written stories will tell you otherwise, but the Power Gem is supposed to give its wielder Infinite Power, and to say that Thor in his retarded state was actually tapping a device that needs to be focused for desired effects is nearly as ridiculous as believing that Thor would be able to hold onto that shield once the Hulk decides he's going to confiscate it.
What's even worse are there are those who believe that others on his team would be more than the fodder that they are in this situation.
Mad much?
None of what I said equates to PIS/CIS off Thor beating WBH. All I'm saying is that per the OP and Thor's state in this thread, his formidability is being sorely and severely underestimated. I don't blame anyone for not knowing that his gear was blessed with almost all of the Odin Force, but claiming that this Hulk is above Odin himself is a leap of faith that I can't stand behind.
I can understand your frustration about Hulk being hated on, but there comes a time where you're either going to let it turn you into a bitter fan or just accept people do it and make your case as best as you can. Can't say I enjoy people using ridiculous low showings of Thor as non-PIS based on his overall history or somehow twisting the events of AvX into low feats for Thor, but hey, I don't flip out about it and hold resentment over it.
Power Gem is the amp worth mentioning, true, as it's the one that Thor can't feasibly destroy. The red ring and Nul's hammer, though? They're not holding up to Thor, imo, which is backed by actual on panel evidence of just what he was doing and facing against. Hulk, on the other hand, we're forced to speculate how well he'd use his items and just how powerful he'd be.
In any case, it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that Thor, in this state, can't fight Hulk on his own and make it competitive. Don't see how anyone objective can claim otherwise unless they don't know the context behind his items and amp.
First off, I'm not angry.
It was not Odin fighting the Thanosi, it was Thor with enchanted gear that Odin enchanted. There are also powers out there that are above Odin's enchantments, and Odin himself. The truth of the matter is that the Power Gem is 1/6th the power of a being that would snap his fingers and Odin would go bye bye.
I have the book that you are speaking of, which I believe is the Mighty Thor issue 25, and although I know that Thor was powered up in that book, his power ups do not make him more powerful than what the Power Gem could bestow upon a wielder that is written to wield it without adding PIS to the mix. The reason that Power Gem users don't outright destroy their opponents on a physical level is due to plot, because it wouldn't make for a very good story if a PG user walked out and finger flicked everyone's favorite super tights.
The items that Thor has in his possession were shredded, so to launch a campaign on the possibility of the Hulk's item's being destroyed, while not thinking the same of Thor's is a bit short sighted.
Again, I'm not angry, just telling it as it is from my perspective. There are those that believe that Momo the Squirrel and his side kick Acorn would give the Hulk a beating, but I know what that's all about.
I know the context of Thor's items and amps, and i also did not see the Nul KO that so many claimed happened. All I saw was Nul getting floated, while speaking inaudibly in space, which I could claim that he said lucky phucker for all I know, but I did not see a KO, other than Thor's collapse. If so why wasn't the Hulk KO'd when he landed in Vampireville?
What we do know is that the Red Ring would amplify the Hulk's rage, and the Hulk would in turn amplify the Red Ring, which would give the both incredible power alone. Then we factor in the PG, which is an infinite weapon by all rights, or it would not be called an infinity gem, and then we have the hammer. You by all means are entitled to believe what you want, but I see Thor being ripped away from his shield. having little to no visible offensive power in terms of his ability to wound this super durable version of the hulk polarized by red ring energy for added armor, and the PG boosting his already ridiculous damage soak to heights that Thor would not be able to climb.
So again, no I'm not upset in the least real talk.
Originally posted by Stoic
What we do know is that the Red Ring would amplify the Hulk's rage, and the Hulk would in turn amplify the Red Ring, which would give the both incredible power alone. Then we factor in the PG, which is an infinite weapon by all rights, or it would not be called an infinity gem, and then we have the hammer. You by all means are entitled to believe what you want, but I see Thor being ripped away from his shield. having little to no visible offensive power in terms of his ability to wound this super durable version of the hulk polarized by red ring energy for added armor, and the PG boosting his already ridiculous damage soak to heights that Thor would not be able to climb.So again, no I'm not upset in the least real talk.
Plus, its WBH, who was written to be an absolute beast.
Lol at this thread. We have seen what WBH is capable of without amps. He now gets a ring that increases his already incinerating rage. Then he get the power gem that amps the ring AND his stats and also aids in increasing the strength that is already growing at an incredible rate (due to the red ring and WBH just being WBH). Then you add Nul hammer to this (that isn't even needed). Lol, this Hulk would punch a hole clean through Tyrant (using him as an example).
This isn't a fight, this is a massacre. Hulk wins 10/10 without breaking a sweat. This version of Thor is a beast but a punch from this Hulk should outright turn him to mildew.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Oh I realize. But the Odin Force amping the belt of strength is the most prominent way to prove it flowed into Thor, as that's the whole purpose of the belt, and it being able to be blessed means he wasn't just dealing with a simple double strength upgrade.
Wouldn't that also mean that since thor was several more times over clocked, that his stamina would drain at an even greater rate, perhaps even killing him if he kept it on for prolonged periods of time, based on what the belt does to Thor?
Originally posted by Stoic
Wouldn't that also mean that since thor was several more times over clocked, that his stamina would drain at an even greater rate, perhaps even killing him if he kept it on for prolonged periods of time, based on what the belt does to Thor?
Why would it do that? Especially when the Odin Force's latent abilities greatly amplify physical attributes such as durability and stamina? Someone like Heimdall, with a smaller portion of the Odin Force than what Thor received, was able to effortlessly no sell Mjolnir to the face and perform feats beyond the likes of Masterson Thor. Someone as powerful as Thor is normally with an even larger portion of the Odin Force is approaching skyfather levels rather easily.
Assuming the Odin Force would somehow effectively drain Thor at all, much less faster than normal because of the belt is a large stretch and one not alluded to or shown in the comic.