Superboy Prime vs The Avengers

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Originally posted by carver9
Yes, that's completely different. When someone can punch another person in the face with enough force to create a Nuke, thats an entirely different ball game. This has never happened. It's no telling how strong the punch was, its the fact that the result was enormous. The guy turned thin air to a nuke just by punching Hulk in the face. You comparing that to punching a door down isn't accurate at all.

Superman punched the Black Racer and the backlash scarred the moon forever a nuke wouldn't ever be able to do this.

Destroying a planet or even damagin a planet visibly from space with a punch >>>>> a nuclear explosion.

Superboy Prime can toss planets into eachother.

BUT RULK'S FIST CREATED A NUKE HOLY SHIT ZOMG!!!

Edit: Also... Isn't Rulk's body basically a superheating nuclear reactor? 😐

His fist is already burning hot at levels sufficient to ripple the air and glass sand on touch, traveling at a high enough velocity, the effect should be much greater.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, that's completely different. When someone can punch another person in the face with enough force to create a Nuke, thats an entirely different ball game. This has never happened. It's no telling how strong the punch was, its the fact that the result was enormous. The guy turned thin air to a nuke just by punching Hulk in the face. You comparing that to punching a door down isn't accurate at all.

Go back to school, kid.

Seriously though, you need to do some reading.

Part 1

Prime fails to lift the hammer and Thor explains why (as he usually does). Prime gets even more serious as he strains to prove himself "worthy". The ground begins to tremble and Thor gets nervous Prime might actually override the enchantments.

But before it is confirmed he can or cannot Rulk drops Prime with a "double axe handle" to Primes head. Ross then begins to pummble Prime with a flurry of punches. How could such a puny kid hope to contend with the Mighty Red Hulk, Ross thinks to himself.

As if in response Prime answers by effortlessly catching one of Rulk's fists and breaking his arm. Prime talks about how they aren't true heros and on his Earth everything was better and he was the only hero. He was the "strongest there is"!

Well Hulk doesn't take too kindly to this and engages Prime in a hit for hit type deal that they both love to do.

While all that went on (which really would be in the span of about 20 seconds) Thor retrieves his hammer but before he can enter the fray IM grabs his arm explaining that this is not the type of enemy to just attack head on. IM tells Thor that he may have a way to win but he needs Thor not to attack head on. Thor agrees and they start to go over said plan.

IM notices that Hulk seems to be slowly losing his bout with Prime and sends WM to unload full force on Prime giving Hulk the chance to gain the upperhand. He warns WM to be very careful as this enemy could kill him easily. WM heads in and keeps a relatively far distance between himself and Prime and then starts the bombardment. This seems to annoy Prime more than anything and he quickly flies to WM and rips/cuts/punches him in half. IM realises WM and indeed himself have greatly underestimated SBP's speed.

With two members dead and one seriously injured the Avengers are in deep doo doo.....

Part 2

After witnessing this Stark can no long hold Thor at bay and Thor and Hulk take the fight to Prime. They beat on Prime and Prime beats on them. Blood is flying everywhere. Prime makes a joke about all this red and green blood reminding him of Christmas.

Thor is even more pissed off now that Prime is taking the killing of his friends so lightly. He instructs Hulk to back off and begins to rain lightning down on Prime.

When the dust settles they see not only is Prime still standing but he is laughing! Rulk, embarrased at what the kid did to him earlier, decides to sap some of Hulk's strength to better combat this foe. Hulk doesn't like this too much and the two begin to bicker.

After a few seconds of this they hear a very loud "THUD". When they turn to see what has happened the see SBP standing over a KO'd Thor. The ycan't help but notice Thor is still cluching his hammer which is resting neatly on his own face. The Hulks both facepalm....

Part 3.

Ok so IM, now realising what a bad situation they are in, begins to worry. Alot. Without Thor his original plan, and honestly their only real hope, is gone. He very quickly informs them that they have no chance of winning as long as Prime has that suit of armor on and that they must make every effort to remove it.

Hulk and Rulk begin to charge Prime but IM tells Rulk to hang back awhile. As Hulk and SBP go blow for blow again Ross questions Stark's call. Didn't this already happen and Hulk was clearly being beaten?

Stark just smiles and tells Ross to start absorbing Hulks gamma again. Ross is confused but knows the billionaire must be up to something. And honestly he craves the strength Hulk posses.

Hulk and Prime's blows land one after another. It's a miracle the Earth can withstand such fury! Prime realises Hulk's blows are decreasing in strength. He begins to taunt Hulk's so called "power". How could this jolly green clown be the strongest anywhere?! Suddenly Prime is hit with punches so hard he can hardly keep his footing! How is this possible? I had you beaten!

Hulk explains how the madder he gets the stronger he gets. And Prime is pissing him off! And Hulk also realised Rulk sapping his gamma radiation. While weakening him at first Hulk embraced how angry the additional strain on him made him. Also the fact that he hates how Ross is using him!

All that is boiling up in him is making his power grow and grow. Hulk realises Stark's plan. He remembers when he fought Ross and he tried to absorb his power but it had little effect on him since his power grows so radically in this form. While his power can't grow as quickly with Rulk absorbing it it still grows. And Rulk's power grows as well. Now instead of having one Hulk whose power is increasing, Stark has found a way to create two!

Soon both Red and Green Hulk are on top of Prime. Both with power beyond measure. Prime is taking shot after painful shot. Each hit more devestating than the last.

Finally the brutes succeed in stripping the armor off of the man child. That and the look in Prime's eye tells Stark all he needs to know. Victory is at hand.

Prime is scared. His foes, these wanna be heros, are getting stronger and stronger. And now his armor is gone! If this keep up he will surely be killed! Thinking very quickly he realises going toe to toe with these monsters is not very smart. It's downright dumb in fact. But how could they ever match his other abilities? Moving very very fast Prime creates distance from the Hulks.

After a quick break from the beating Prime returns the punishment to them going faster than they can really react to. Dozens of punches land in a second on them. Prime easily evades anything they throw at him. The Hulks give ground.

Stark begins to get that terrible feeling in his stomach again. The Mighty Avengers are in big trouble once again...

Thor begins to stir..........

Any problems with this that should be corrected?

Originally posted by juggerman
Any problems with this that should be corrected?

For the most part, I plan to let you proceed unmolested, for I am genuinely interested in what you come up with, and, for the most part, it's not too bad. You're largely arguing the people in character, which most posters do not, which already puts you ahead of the curve, and it's proceeding more or less logically.

If you really truly want some input, though:

The parts 1, 2, and 3 are your numbering of what you yourself wrote, not the entire story to this point. The "prequel" portions have important implications, though.

For instance, I'm still wondering how Ares met his end.
It's a significant detail.
For if Ares was ripped apart barehanded by Prime, that would make Tony real hesitant to send War Machine (WM), who happens to be his good friend James Rhodes, to be essentially mauled in similar fashion.

If Tony saw Prime's VISION blasting Ares apart, however, he would not fail to tell WM: "Rhodey, white armor. NOW."
(Suit to external laser and heat reflective surface, as I showed you several pages ago.)

For Tony generally follows practical strategy as a leader, which, in this situation, it's natural he would be.

Perhaps even before that, though, I'm wondering what general knowledge the group is to have of Prime.
The forum rules themselves tell us the knowledge of Superman, for instance, is such that people know he is vulnerable to kryptonite.
Earlier DS also said the Avengers would reasonably be expected to know
that Prime is either powered by yellow sunlight, or weakened by red.
Which implies they know Prime functions as a Kryptonian.
Which carries implications of itself. A vulnerability to sonic and hypersonic attack, for starters. Laser eyesight, which needs to be prepared for, defended against, and can be deflected back as a weapon. Sensitivity to sudden and massive changes in gravity, if you can arrange such a thing (which this group, if owing to nothing more than Thor's ability to arrange dimensional travel, can).

At any rate, what general knowledge the Avengers have of Prime and how they reasonably got it is not spelled out.

Incidentally, Prime's suit?
That actually functions as a yellow sunlight collector.
If Prime's actually fighting IN yellow sunlight, it's more or less a non-factor, since the ample sunlight of the day would be powering him anyway.
On the other hand, if you arrange some special condition, like say, red sunlamps flooding the area, THEN the fact that he has that compensating suit becomes significant, for it would enable Prime to counter that attack.
(And, of course, if you're envisioning a fight at night or some dark place, it's absolutely vital Prime have that suit if he's to last even 30 seconds.)

Right now, in fact, the most truly jarring aspect of your story is that your Avengers are so busily trying to get that suit off Prime without knowing why.
How they got to the point of knowing that should be mentioned.
They might come equipped knowing, for instance, that Prime battled some of their hero friends elsewhere.
Which makes sense.
MANY worlds were present at Infinite Crisis, and Prime is regarded as a multiversal threat that people would tend to warn each other of, or at least talk of as news at some point.

Do they know said multiversal threat Prime was successfully contained once the New Earth heroes got that suit off him, and arranged for red sunlight?
THEN it makes perfect sense the Avengers know this to be the key, and forum rules and previous DC/Marvel crossover history suggests they would.

Otherwise, though, they would need to invent a way to discover this.
Which WOULD, by the way, be in character for the Avengers to do, probably, from least to most likely, in this order:

Rhodey < Thor < Rulk < Hulk < Tony

Please note, that, in-character, Thor WILL slow down and become an investigative tactical fighter once enough of his methods fail.

(Re-read, for instance, the Link version of the 2nd Juggernaut fight I posted, Thor 429, where Thor actually uses a bolt or blow from his hammer to "probe" Juggernaut's forcefield to test if it is magic or not.)

He also put that Hulk was getting weaker during battle due to Prime punches but the exact opposite happens. When Hulk is losing, he gets angry and becomes more powerful.

Proven here...

Hulk is losing and turns it up. Even an amped Ironman is concerned.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13199095/6.jpg.html

He did the same thing against Doctor Strange. Did the same thing against Skrull Bolt. Prime pounding on him would make him far more powerful "which isn't good".

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

Earlier DS also said the Avengers would reasonably be expected to know
that Prime is either powered by yellow sunlight, or weakened by red.
Which implies they know Prime functions as a Kryptonian.
Which carries implications of itself. A vulnerability to sonic and hypersonic attack, for starters.
These are not common knowledge of Superman, let alone Prime. Most other heros and villains have no idea, let alone general populace.

Plus, sonics aren't necessarily a weakness for kryptonians.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Plus, sonics aren't necessarily a weakness for kryptonians.
That too.

Good points blue. I was really just picking up where you left off earlier with Prime having already killed Ares and reacting to Thor's hammer throw. The "prequel" part i figured was pretty much agreed upon.

Also im not sure what info they have on Prime but it's likely that Hulk and Rulk would end up just going hit for hit before being reminded that the armor was the key.

And the reason i made sure to include the bit about the armor at all is because Tony isn't just hanging around shouting orders and being a cheerleader. He has something planned

@carver i was thinking how Hulk weakened after getting pounded by Zues. And in my story Hulk weakened for a brief time due to the pounding AND Rulk draining him before it really started to piss him off

Zeus is a magical entity though and it has been stated on panel that Hulk is vulnerable to magic.

Were his punches magical or was his strength just amped? I was under the impression that he was just making himself stronger not using magic offensively

Originally posted by carver9
Zeus is a magical entity though and it has been stated on panel that Hulk is vulnerable to magic.

So his gamma being drained without him knowing wouldn't slowly weaken him?

Originally posted by Blight
So his gamma being drained without him knowing wouldn't slowly weaken him?

ie. Titanus

Originally posted by juggerman
Were his punches magical or was his strength just amped? I was under the impression that he was just making himself stronger not using magic offensively

You've been "hit" by Zeus which means your strength will not return for a long time and you will only heal fast enough. It didn't say, "since you took a beating, your power is gone" because Hulk has been pounded on before.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5863252/Incredible_Hulks_622_018.jpg.html

Prime is no Zeus.

It also didn't say "Your power has been sapped by Zues' magical fists." Either way the main factor was Rulk absorbing his gamma without him knowing.

EDIT: And once he did know his anger/strength shot thru the roof

Originally posted by juggerman
It also didn't say "Your power has been sapped by Zues' magical fists." Either way the main factor was Rulk absorbing his gamma without him knowing.

EDIT: And once he did know his anger/strength shot thru the roof

Might as well said it. Hulk wasn't healing at all during that fight and It was acknowledged by his friends.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5863066/Incredible_Hulks_622_011.jpg.html

Then the guy clearly say, "you've been hit by Zeus". Pretty clear cut to me. It didn't say, "you've been pounded on by Zeus", it said "hit".

Originally posted by carver9
Might as well said it. Hulk wasn't healing at all during that fight and It was acknowledged by his friends.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5863066/Incredible_Hulks_622_011.jpg.html

Then the guy clearly say, "you've been hit by Zeus". Pretty clear cut to me. It didn't say, "you've been pounded on by Zeus", it said "hit".


If t said "youve been pounded on by Zeus" then marvel would have hired another shitty writer. It's a good thing you don't write comics, carver...

So are you arguing that Rulk sapping him without him knowing would not weaken him at all?