Superboy Prime vs The Avengers

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

I also wasn't paying attention to what DieslDude was really telling me. Sunlight on the fingertips enables Prime to overpower heralds?
In other words, Prime can either be easily tricked into fighting in places where sunlight is absent and/or does not have sense or wherewithall to GET to a sunny place and shift things to his advantage?

Really?

And now that you are trying to pay attention you still don't get it.
I'll try again, SBP needs just a fingertip of sunlight to power up to full strength and if you look at solar panels this won't even charge a AA battery. Google "Solar AA/AAA Battery Charger." And I hope you will see what I was trying to get at. The point is, what is rulk going to do with energy that won't even be enough to charge double A battery? LOL Yeah Rulk's absorbing powers FTL.. That's For The Loss.

This just annihilated the only argument you could come up with prior to now. Even-though it couldn't be used because the most recent appearances of Rulk showed that he lost his absorbing powers.

So now you take the BFR angle?

How are you going to BFR Prime, he'll just punch back. I don't want to be mean, but do you even know about the background of the people you are debating about? IF team1 somehow tricked prime into getting to the dark dimension, he'll just punch back, after killing the hulk and doing umar for more than what? 6 seconds? LOL

As I have shown, Rulk's non existent absorbing powers won't help even if we allow him to have them.

BFR won't work and since you don't believe Team1 can overpower prime it leaves no other alternative- but a prime WIN.

Step 1 to your road to recovery? just admit it, there is no way this team beats Prime. :-)

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about?

My bad he got your post from page 3.

We were referring to a different issue, bluewater. Pretty much what Gamma Burst was saying in the attached image you posted - Its in Hulk 41, which is much later than the scan you showed (Hulk 25).

In it, if Ross absorbs energy again, he burns out, loses his humanity, becomes the Hulk he always feared, and thus, the ability to grow that awesome 'tache.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I was asking darksaint how he quoted you 10 minutes before you posted.

My bad he got your post from page 3.

No, I can just predict carver's arguments.....

Has anyone ever punched out of the phantom zone before?
It held PC kryptonians and that being with infinite power from action comics # 900. Breaking out of the PS also shows that he didn't need assistance when he punched out of the paradise dimension which a lot of people were trying to imply.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
At any rate, time to deal with Iceman's objections to Rulk.

You'll have to inform me if there's something more recent than this.
That Thor comment, is from Hulk #26, for instance.

The issue before that, Bruce Banner and Ross (Rulk) have the following conversation:

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Originally posted by Diesldude
Has anyone ever punched out of the phantom zone before?
It held PC kryptonians and that being with infinite power from action comics # 900. Breaking out of the PS also shows that he didn't need assistance when he punched out of the paradise dimension which a lot of people were trying to imply.

Yah, Prometheus has his house there too. Angels like Zauriel called it Limbo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It houses more than just Kryptonians unless that retconned it and no Prime should not be able to physically punch out of the phantom zone

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, Prometheus has his house there too. Angels like Zauriel called it Limbo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Its not just an objection. Rulk won't be using his power in this thread unless stated otherwise by the thread starter

It IS just an objection.

Just as somebody could object to the vulgar language used in this thread, which is expressly against forum rules,
just as somebody could object to member bashing, which is expressly against forum rules,
just as, conceivably, somebody could object to this thread on basis for forum rules, claiming it to be spite.

Really, though I don't think it is spite given the stipulations and comic history of the characters involved, I'm surprised no one has tried yet TO claim the last, even as I've certainly I've seen violations of the 2 forum rules listed above it.

Nevertheless, DC seems convinced he has something that overrides Hulk 26 and the false Thor comment, so I'll simply go on to the other characters, and regard Rulk as a more or less non-factor, just as I stated I would yesterday.

You mean DS, right? :-)

I will attempt to find the relevant scan when I get back.

Back to dimension punching :-)

Sorry, DS (85) is what I meant to say.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

I will attempt to find the relevant scan when I get back.

While you're finding that, I'll go ahead and post the following:

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Superboy Prime versus Teen Titans

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True, true, we cannot ignore the low showings - but neither can we solely rely on them, would you agree?

I guess to take an average, we need to show how many different occasions has SBP been beaten down like that. Was that all one storyline? And in other storylines, has he humiliated the Titans? For if so, then this can be disregarded as an anomaly, and that his average showings are higher. For example, he has punched out of Alexander Luthor's reality wall machine thing (which retconned, amongst other things, Jason Todd coming back to life; 1) the Phantom Zone (2), The 5th Dimension (3) and he had some way of getting out of the Speed Force (an iffy 4, as I didn't see it - maybe he spun around really quick, who knows?). He has also flown and pushed a planet before, well, he pushed Rann - did he also push Thanagar? In which case, he has pushed planets twice as often as being beaten down.

So in other words, if you want to argue that he gets beaten down by Titans as the norm, a much more logical thing to do would be to say that he can punch the Avengers into another dimension, as that has happened 4 times as often as your example. Just as Wally has used the IMP twice in his long an illustrious career, and yet, we use it as if Flash busts them out all the time.

He handily dealt with a much larger roster of the Titans, a whole bunch of Green Lanterns (fodder, admittedly) a large version of the JLA, the Legion of Super Heroes, large numbers of alternate JLAs.....so on average, for you to use this showing is akin to me using Hulk being choked out by a snake, or Spiderman knocking the Hulk out using a car....see? Except the low showings of SBP are still much, much higher than the low showings of Hulk. So I wouldn't go down that route.