Classic ION vs Phoenix Force

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But you cant disagree over something thats explicitly shown to be the case. The scenes not open to interpretation. The Phoenix Force divides and does multiples tasks at the same time.

Just like multiple shards of the Phoenix Force have been known to operate at once and empower different hosts.

Also. You still have not shown omnipresence. Youve demonstrated that Ion can multi-task. Send out multiple representations of himself to do different things. Great. Again, Phoenix does that all the time as shown in the scenes ive posted and as you know from recent continuity. Shards of the Phoenix working with Rachel, with the Stepford Cuckoos and manifesting in Hope.

Has the Ion Force ever destroyed a timeline with a casual thought?

Originally posted by lawest9
Classic Ion had the ability to be anywhere in the universe simutaneously, that suggests true omnipentence, NO version of phoenix is going to win this fight.

He also believed, and Spectre confirmed, that he could have altered Hal Jordan's past without any consequences to the time stream.. Pretty much near Worlogog levels of time control.

Originally posted by lawest9
and re-created the guardians in the process who are beings of at least sky father level if not above. The

And transgendered half of them, too. 😄

👆

Originally posted by cdtm
He also believed, and Spectre confirmed, that he could have altered Hal Jordan's past without any consequences to the time stream.. Pretty much near Worlogog levels of time control.

Ion? Phoenix could simply absorb the Ion entity into itself.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ion? Phoenix could simply absorb the Ion entity into itself.

Not the entity. Kyle, when he called himself Ion.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ion? Phoenix could simply absorb the Ion entity into itself.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not the entity. Kyle, when he called himself Ion.

Im pretty sure it was retconned that he had the entity in him.

Originally posted by lawest9
Parallax/ Hal Jordan was on the verge of altering the very universe/ creation before he was stopped, Kyle received a vastly amount more of the Oan energy than hal and re-created the guardians in the process who are beings of at least sky father level if not above. The PF is not more powerful.

Why are we talking about Parallax now?

I'll play along anyway. Parallax as stated in the comic was achieving his feat through time manipulation. He wasnt rewriting matter and energy and changing it to something else, he was reversing time to before Coast City was destroyed and then he was making sure that event never happened resulting in a timeline where Coast City was still intact. Nice feat. Nothing beyond what a Cube Being could do 😬

Phoenix casually amputated and disposed of a timeline with a single thought. Not a big song and dance for many issues gradually making a change. A single thought and it was done. And that was just Jean Grey 😬

Originally posted by cdtm
He also believed, and Spectre confirmed, that he could have altered Hal Jordan's past without any consequences to the time stream.. Pretty much near Worlogog levels of time control.

Something we never saw occur on panel, just an unconfirmed belief so its irrelavant

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Something we never saw occur on panel, just an unconfirmed belief so its irrelavant

Confirmed by Spectre, actually. Not just any opinion, but analysis from a being that was trying to dissuade Kyle from performing the act. Not really the time or place for hyperbole, given the context.

GS's desperation to get ppl to believe in the Phoenix hype is hilarious.

Originally posted by cdtm
Confirmed by Spectre, actually. Not just any opinion, but analysis from a being that was trying to dissuade Kyle from performing the act. Not really the time or place for hyperbole, given the context.

Confirmed or commented on as a possibility?

Regardless Parallaxs feats were down to time manipulation. The comic stated clearly that he was going to achieve his feat through chronal energies and forgive me if im wrong but he never actually did anything because he was stopped right?

Originally posted by CortSether
GS's desperation to get ppl to believe in the Phoenix hype is hilarious.

You have nothing on me, so you troll because you have not the capacity to successfully debate with me directly.

Drown under your bridge 🙂

When Kyle can destroy not just a universe (reality at one specific moment in time) but instead a timeline with a thought as Jean can do

then placing them in similar categories will stop becoming ridiculous.

Jean did that.

Shes one of the many hosts the PF empowers across the multiverse.

Empowers to manipulate the atoms of a whole reality in her palm-

All that energy and matter, the entire universe controlled at an atomic level

Again, just Jean here destroying timelines with a thought and manipulating the entire universe

The PF is on another level 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have nothing on me, so you troll because you have not the capacity to successfully debate with me directly.

Drown under your bridge 🙂

GalacticStorm, I have a riddle for you, a conundrum, if you will.

What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold?

One's a sick duck...I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why are we talking about Parallax now?

I'll play along anyway. Parallax as stated in the comic was achieving his feat through time manipulation. He wasnt rewriting matter and energy and changing it to something else, he was reversing time to before Coast City was destroyed and then he was making sure that event never happened resulting in a timeline where Coast City was still intact. Nice feat. Nothing beyond what a Cube Being could do 😬

Phoenix casually amputated and disposed of a timeline with a single thought. Not a big song and dance for many issues gradually making a change. A sipngle thought and it was done. And that was just Jean Grey 😬

Originally posted by lawest9
I only used parallax as an example to make a comparative point here concerning Ion, not to insert him into the discussion, Kyle could obviously do anything he have wanted matching the PF, Most dc entities on the average refrain from doing certain feats because most of them have an specific assigned purpose and duty given them by a much higher authority. This generally demonstrates a much higher level of discipline than most marvel entities tend to demonstrate. Altering the timeline with a thought is mere child's play for Ion and most DC higher entities.

Youve just given me your assessment on DC vs Marvel cosmics. Cool. Not factual, just your opinion.

The multi tasking feat wasnt omnipresence.

Phoenix is all that is, she is in everything

That is omnipresence NOT simply splitting off into a few representations and performing different feats. He doesnt have a presence in all of existence.

Further Phoenix didnt just alter a timeline, any average cosmic could do that.

She cut off the future timeline of the universe and destroyed it WITH A THOUGHT and then manipulated the atoms of the wounded universe to materialize it in the white hot room for healing, she then changed an event in the timeline and due to her having erased the future her event alteration didnt cause a divergent future it merely continued the 616 timeline.

Never before has a being in marvel changed an event and NOT created a divergent timeline.

Unprecedented.

And again what youre not getting is that that was JUST Jean Grey. One of the PFs multiversal hosts. 🙂

Destroying timelines was something Parallax's lackey Extant could do

Originally posted by Galan007
Extant created another Entropy rift, that was erasing the 64th Century from existence:

Flash of that time thought if he ran through the rift at "ultimate speed", it would stop. Flash was erased by the Entropy rift, as was his entire Universe:

Extant's rift destroys another time-line:

And breaking time, while impressive, is much less so than building it.

Destroying timelines is something that happens by default.. Doing something with it, without breaking it, is the real demonstration of power..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Destroying timelines was something Parallax's lackey Extant could do

Parallax kicked his ass when he tried to seize power easily. Parallax also re-created entire universe and was going to make many more untill spectre stopped him. Ion is parallax+oblivion. Honestly this is spite if all phoenix can do is erasing a timeline.