Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]for starters, the Universes previous sentience was reason why Galan became GalactusSecondly The phoenix force didn't destroy that universe, it's own destruction was already set in motion once the M'kraan crystal was cracked by the the Dweller in Darkness, which resulted in the next big bang and the creation of the next universe
far as the HTC feat, that's up for debate, far as i'm concerned it appeared to be nothing more than a mere visualization, albeit some would argue otherwise
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I was wrong about it destroying that universe, but everything else I was right about.
Here is Richards saying that Galactus was transformed by the Phoenix entity:
http://imageshack.us/f/141/fantasticfour52212.jpg/
Birth of Galactus according to a Nova Corps file:
http://imageshack.us/f/25/novacorpsfilespage16.jpg/
"... Phoenix Force saved the dying universe's inhabitants from eternal damnation, while Eternity, the sentience, guided Galan into the Cosmic Egg as the universe collapsed in the Big Crunch."
This is supported by another comic which depicted the birth of Galactus, where the Phoenix Force was shown to temporarily hold off the destruction of the older universe while Galan was guided by Eternity towards the Cosmic Egg. I'll post them if I remember the issue or find the scans.
Edit: found them, here they are:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/142/68406393.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/142/69384702.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/88143606.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/25/42532854.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/514/40874068.jpg/
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You beat me to it and you are absolutely correct.
Never bought into that Alien Entity crap mainly because it contradicts and totally ignores the orgin of Galactus meanwhile not even acknowledging that there was a previous Marvel 616 before the big bang. I'm not even sure if the AE has a legitimate handbook entry.
This is was caused the ”real” big bang:
The explosion of the M'kraan Crystal.
The previous Jean incarnation of Phoenix spread the essence of life/hope to all the dying in existence in an effort to assure that everything wouldn't die in vain + thwart Dweller in Darkness' plans to feed off of the fear of every being in existence:
It was this glimmer of hope that assured Galan and members of his crew that their deaths won't be in vain.
All of this is supported in Big G' OHOTMU entry. Pay attention to what is outlined in red:
Originally posted by Mr Master
I wish I had time to address the rest, but this will have to do.No where in the Excalibur scan does it state Phoenix is the Big Bang turned sentient.
I don't wanna accuse anyone of foul play,,
but how many more times are ya gonna claim this?The bio states, Phoenix was "re-born from the Fires of the Big Bang"
On Panel, in THAT scan ... that's exactly what's depicted:
"This is how I came into being" (exactly, by being born in the Big Bang, like all else)
The [b]Phoenix Force's own official bio states
:"Reborn from the fires of the Big Bang" ...
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Yes, yes, so was Galactus, who never really died like Phoenix,
and everything else in the Marvel Universe was created from the same fires,
big deal,
and the Alien Entity created and held the "Spark" that set all that off in his hand,
and proceeded to re-created all of it.----------------------------------------------
We also know the PF was re-born,
so it was dead when the previous universe collapsed.In fact, via most updated Canon,
the Phoenix Force came at some point after Space-Time (Eternity/Infinity)It always did before this as well, the handbook clarifies this, but now it's explicit.
This is from the last issues of Avengers vs X-Men:
This what I mean debunked
Originally posted by TheTyrantI was wrong about it destroying that universe,
but everything else I was right about.Here is Richards saying that Galactus was transformed by the Phoenix entity:
On Panel, and in Galactus' bio ... the previous "Eternity" (Infinity Being)
transformed Galan into Galactus.
Also, as for that writer erronously making Reed talk out of his ass:
I know Reed nowadays knows:
the PF is not the Big Bang ... has nothing to do with the Big Bang,
doesn't power the Big Bang, doesn't spark the Big Bang,
in fact, what powers the PF is the psyche of living beings,
so I guess,
living beings are the ones that actually power the Big Bang according to yall. 😂
Yea, Reed knows!
See .. this time, he was actually there, unlike that ignorant statement he made.
Grant it, he did seem uncertain about what he was saying in that scan he talks out of his ass: ... "or whathaveyou"
Originally posted by TheTyrantBirth of Galactus according to a Nova Corps file:
http://imageshack.us/f/25/novacorpsfilespage16.jpg/
"... Phoenix Force saved the dying universe's inhabitants from
eternal damnation, while Eternity, the sentience, guided Galan into
the Cosmic Egg as the universe collapsed in the Big Crunch."This is supported by another comic which depicted the birth of Galactus, where the
Phoenix Force was shown to temporarily hold off the destruction of the older
universe while Galan was guided by Eternity towards the Cosmic Egg. I'll post them
if I remember the issue or find the scans.Edit: found them, here they are:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/142/68406393.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/142/69384702.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/88143606.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/25/42532854.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/514/40874068.jpg/
Anyway ...
So,
yall are confused cause the bio doesn't elaborate enough on what it is that Phoenix did.
Actually it throws off the reader at:
"Phoenix Force saved the dying universe's inhabitants from eternal damnation"
I mean,
it has this gentleman thinking Phoenix "temporarily held off the destruction of the previous universe" ...
Although nothing of the sort even via allusion is stated and/or depicted artistically.
Anyway ...
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That issue is Adventures of the X-Men #12.
The story takes place in an Alternate Reality within the Multiverse:
"Parallel Worlds where reality diverges from OURS
& pursues an Alternate path. This is one such Universe."
So the previous Universe is/was actually a universe that diverged from 616. 😆
*** Yea, I know, but there's more comedy coming.
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1) So, what is it that Phoenix did .. in truth?
I'll tell ya and show ya in a bit.
2) Did she stop or stall this alternate universe's destruction?
Absolutely not, even in the slightest.
3) Did she have anything at all to do with Galan being protected or saved from the destruction?
Nothing. Galactus' origin has been depicted 6 times on panel artistically,
and the Phoenix Force has NEVER had anything to do with it, even indirectly,
heck, the PF is not even mention, let-alone illustrated.
4) Then ... what did she do?
She gave the inhabitants of that Alternate Reality a pep talk if you will
before their imminent annihilation, which she tried to stop (with the help of all the X-Men)
and couldn't.
The Mkraan blew up in their faces so Phoenix and the rest of that Alternate Reality was destroyed.
Then, Galan's experience on Taa, and how he tried to escape and was then
protected and saved by the sentience of the Universe and nothing more,
is apparently depicted illustrated in this Alternate version akin to the original.
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That aside, make no mistake,
it was always only a SINGLE Universe that was targeted by the Dweller of Darkness,
same single Universe that was affected by the Mkrann Crystal.
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This book is all twisted, the LT is in here dealing with the creation of MegaverseS,
Phoenix is saving an Alternate Universe that diverged from 616
yet this alternate reality contains Galactus' origin completely separated from the Phoenix's,
it also depicts the remaking of this Alternate Reality but lulzingly so.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Never bought into that Alien Entity crap mainly because it
contradicts and totally ignores the orgin of Galactus meanwhile not
even acknowledging that there was a previous Marvel 616 before
the big bang.
While this Phoenix "crap"
took place in an Alternate Reality (NOT mainstream) that diverged from 616.
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13072031_AX1.jpg]
Also, the Alien Entity & Reed didn't ignore anything,
because they stood in the nothingness before the Big Bang.
Now, before the Nothingness there was another Reality,
that which was the prior "god/reality" ... the Infinity Being, or previous Eternity.
There was never a previous Marvel 616 though,
just existence within the Infinity Being.
(yes, evidently all kinds of life, from demons to humanoids to whatever)
Originally posted by Sundipped
I'm not even sure if the AE has a legitimate handbook entry.
You'll find the Beginnings of the Universe, and the Ends of the Universe.
Sise-Neg - Entropy/Genis - Thanos/HOTI - Alien Entity/Reed and Galactus' birth.
That's all that's recognized ...
and the Phoenix Force is not mentioned anywhere at all.
Originally posted by Sundipped
This is was caused the ”real” big bang:The explosion of the M'kraan Crystal.
Actually, you are, therefore your statement is not true.
Originally posted by SundippedThat Alternate Jean incarnation of Phoenix spread the essence of
life/hope to all the dying in existence in an effort to assure that
everything wouldn't die in vain + thwart Dweller in Darkness' plans
to feed off of the fear of every being in existence:
It did stop the Dweller in Darkness from conquering that single Alternate Reality:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13072044_AX2.jpg]
Originally posted by Sundipped
It was this glimmer of hope that assured Galan
and members of his crew that their deaths won't be in vain.
Aside from that scan stating no such thing,
that's not even from the same comic book as the one depicting Phoenix.
Phoenix NEVER appeared in that comic. (not even mentioned by name)
Nice try.
Originally posted by SundippedAll of this is supported in Big G' OHOTMU entry.
Pay attention to what is outlined in red:
Originally posted by Mr Master
===========================================Don't believe the Phoenix hype yall!
Planetary EMP,
which evidently is enough to shatter the almighty PF! 🙂......................................................................................
Xorn, killing Jean Grey ... and exploding the actual Phoenix Force itself!
......................................................................................
[B]On Panel
:......................................................................................
Beast remembers:
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Bio:
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(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"Jean Grey was Killed by an Electromagnetic Pulse,
this shattered the Force into Billions of PIECES"
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(from WC Phoenix - Jean Grey's official 2008 bio)
"Jean opposed faux Magneto but was killed by a lethal EMP
that shattered the Phoenix Force into Billions of pieces"......................................................................................
This incident involving Xorn & the Phoenix Force
was actually recalled by the embodiment of the Phoenix Force itself in "Endsong""I thought I was Dead, in a Billion Billion pieces"
=========================================== [/B]
If Xorn can kill a PF host and shattered the PF into billions of pieces by a alpha mutant, 🤨 you think a being like ION will do, who could have easily phuck up Parallax, Extant and Time Trapper with ease!!
The PF is not a important being, unlike Galactus who is important, if he dies he unleashes Abraxas who is Anti Eternity and is the great destroyer. Even Galactus stated he could eradicate the PF period, I believe that since he does have Ultimate Nullifier and other means.
Classic ION sh** stomps PF period!! So would WOM Scarlett Witch, MJJ etc
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Alien Entity "crap"
took place in legitimate mainstream Fantastic Four issues,
and it's in the Handbooks confirmed.While this Phoenix "crap"
took place in an Alternate Reality (NOT mainstream) that diverged from 616.[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13072031_AX1.jpg]
Also, the Alien Entity & Reed didn't ignore anything,
because they stood in the nothingness before the Big Bang.Now, before the Nothingness there was another Reality,
that which was the prior "god/reality" ... the Infinity Being, or previous Eternity.There was never a previous Marvel 616 though,
just existence within the Infinity Being.
(yes, evidently all kinds of life, from demons to humanoids to whatever)Google Marvel Universe.
Or go directly to Marvel.com's site and search Marvel Universe.You'll find the Beginnings of the Universe, and the Ends of the Universe.
Sise-Neg - Entropy/Genis - Thanos/HOTI - Alien Entity/Reed and Galactus' birth.
That's all that's recognized ...
and the Phoenix Force is not mentioned anywhere at all.You're not referring to the Mkraan Crystal
that took out that ONE Alternate Reality are you?Actually, you are, therefore your statement is not true.
True.
It did stop the Dweller in Darkness from conquering that single Alternate Reality:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13072044_AX2.jpg]
This is 100% False.
Aside from that scan stating no such thing,
that's not even from the same comic book as the one depicting Phoenix.Phoenix NEVER appeared in that comic. (not even mentioned by name)
Nice try.
Yea, explained above.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerEven in the scans which both Sundipped and Tyant provided ,
its not shown or even alluded to that it was the PHOENIX WHICH
TRANSFORMED GALEN .
Even in those scans , its the universe's sentience(ala the previous
iteration of Eternity) who did the actual job .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerAt best it only shows or possibly alludes to that the Phoenix
contributed to Galen's destiny to merge with the Sentience , by
ensuring that he reached it .
Her feat was sending a telepathic message to all life in that universe.
The message's purpose was to take away the fear from those lives that would die.
That's it.
Everything else played out on it's own under its own specific set of circumstances.
Like Galan getting in that ship and taking off,
traveling as far as he could
right before getting incinerated by the implosion of that reality
he was protected/saved by the Universe itself. (previous all reality)
Said sentience merged with Galan in order to produce Galactus in the next creation.
That's it.
Phoenix had/has nothing to do with any of that in any sense of the word.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerShe didn't have a direct role in his transformation at all .
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