Originally posted by Damborgson
Maybe in your eyes. Not in mine.Not unless there has been a specific mention of a chance in powerlevel. And there hasn't. He's back to classic level strength and therefore his strength feats apply as always. 2007 relaunch Thor is still Thor. We don't get to forget about feats because of new armor or nicer art. Otherwise a large amount of Gladiators feats would also be discredited.
Yes he was and I posted the scans that said he was. Not marginal, but noticeable, and he proved it. Which is the point
Beating a dead space rock with multiple all out punches I'm sure is impressive to some, but not to me. And even so, striking feats don't translate into strength feats.
It's obvious who is stronger when a weaker Thor matched Gladiators' strength. If you put normal Thor in that seat, he would've overpowered him. /topic
I'll delve as far as I need to into Thor bagism to honor his memory.
No one said his feats don't apply, but it's pretty clear Thor just isn't quite as physically formidable as he once was.
Maybe in your mind but their pure strength feats generally are comparable with the few that Gladiator has. Marvel has stated repeatedly he's a planet mover/destroyer, and breaking apart a planet with his bare fists is something classic Thor never did and current Thor just doesn't look capable of. It also didn't help that their most recent appearances had Gladiator actually able to challenge P5 Cyclops physically while Thor was effortlessly dismissed.
A normal (and pissed) Thor fought Masterson and it was a stalemate, he is as strong as Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Gladiator challenge Cyke physically? Was it when Cyke was trying to talk to him?
Two people talking doesn't mean they are not fighting. A single member of the five couldn't take Gladiator out. Thor has been getting waxed repeatedly by them and easily at that.
Originally posted by carver9I'm sure a single member of the five could take Gladz out don't know why you think otherwise
Two people talking doesn't mean they are not fighting. A single member of the five couldn't take Gladiator out. Thor has been getting waxed repeatedly by them and easily at that.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Well if you're going to post snarky replies that's the type of answer you'll get.No one said his feats don't apply, but it's pretty clear Thor just isn't quite as physically formidable as he once was.
Maybe in your mind but their pure strength feats generally are comparable with the few that Gladiator has. Marvel has stated repeatedly he's a planet mover/destroyer, and breaking apart a planet with his bare fists is something classic Thor never did and current Thor just doesn't look capable of. It also didn't help that their most recent appearances had Gladiator actually able to challenge P5 Cyclops physically while Thor was effortlessly dismissed.
A normal (and pissed) Thor fought Masterson and it was a stalemate, he is as strong as Thor.
? I didn't post anything "snarky" until the "nuh-uh" answer dude...
Oh because of that one reason that doesn't exist right? Him jobbing doesn't mean anything. Thats why it's jobbinh.
In anyone's mind that matters actually. But I see no reason for him to go around beating dead space rocks. he has multiple feats that are better than that in the striking department. Current Thor is classic Thor. If Current thor did it, so can this one. Cyclops held back and didn't rev up the phoneix force. It also wouldn't help that evena ffter the beating received, Thor recovered. Gladiator was put into a coma.
Being genarally comparable is why guys in Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion etc, are generally considered equals in the strength department. A wash you could say I guess. But Thor's feats in the end are > Gladiators. Which is why when we closely look at them Thor comes out on top.
^ It's more than obvious who was stronger. Thor even got nailed with two cheap shots at the beginning of the fight. And not to mention, that Thor at no point stopped trying to take Mjolnir from him. He didn't fight to kill at any point.
Originally posted by Damborgson
? I didn't post anything "snarky" until the "nuh-uh" answer dude...Oh because of that one reason that doesn't exist right? Him jobbing doesn't mean anything. Thats why it's jobbinh.
In anyone's mind that matters actually. But I see no reason for him to go around beating dead space rocks. he has multiple feats that are better than that in the striking department. Current Thor is classic Thor. If Current thor did it, so can this one. Cyclops held back and didn't rev up the phoneix force. It also wouldn't help that evena ffter the beating received, Thor recovered. Gladiator was put into a coma.
Being genarally comparable is why guys in Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion etc, are generally considered equals in the strength department. A wash you could say I guess. But Thor's feats in the end are > Gladiators. Which is why when we closely look at them Thor comes out on top.
^ It's more than obvious who was stronger. Thor even got nailed with two cheap shots at the beginning of the fight. And not to mention, that Thor at no point stopped trying to take Mjolnir from him. He didn't fight to kill at any point.
The same reason most other top heralds have strength feats, Thor has traveled through space on many occasion and has never wrecked a planet or moved one, or seemed capable without Mjolnir beyond possibly his early silver age days.
What are you talking about Cyclops flared up his Phoenix power here: http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-011.jpg
and is literally covered in it when Glads is punching on him:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-014.jpg
Thor on the other hand was completely dismissed even while wearing some kind of armour that aided him:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12344197/AvsX-Zone033.jpg.html
I agree, you could lump Hulk and Superman into that group aswell, but being in the same tier doesn't mean they're all dead equal. Thor just doesn't have planetary feats/strength, as hard as it is for you to hear, that's the harsh reality of it. Gladiator does.
Masterson was a noob that's why - it's evident even in the scans you posted, and cropping panels/leaving out scans can't hide that fact either... The fight was pure h2h and it was a stalemate, hell they even tried to overpower each other at the end and neither could gain the upperhand. He didn't have the skills and experience but he possessed the same raw power as Thor.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's not jobbing it's been apparent for a years now.The same reason most other top heralds have strength feats, Thor has traveled through space on many occasion and has never wrecked a planet or moved one, or seemed capable without Mjolnir beyond possibly his early silver age days.
What are you talking about Cyclops flared up his Phoenix power here: http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-011.jpg
and is literally covered in it when Glads is punching on him:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/WOLVERINEX-MEN-ZONE-014.jpgThor on the other hand was completely dismissed even while wearing some kind of armour that aided him:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12344197/AvsX-Zone033.jpg.htmlI agree, you could lump Hulk and Superman into that group aswell, but being in the same tier doesn't mean they're all dead equal. Thor just doesn't have planetary feats/strength, as hard as it is for you to hear, that's the harsh reality of it. Gladiator does.
Masterson was a noob that's why - it's evident even in the scans you posted, and cropping panels/leaving out scans can't hide that fact either... The fight was pure h2h and it was a stalemate, hell they even tried to overpower each other at the end and neither could gain the upperhand. He didn't have the skills and experience but he possessed the same raw power as Thor.
What do you mean it's not jobbing? You think Avengers Assemble is standard Thor? It's the most he's jobbed since his resurrection.
The situation has never been presented. He's never failed to break a dead space rock with his fists alone either.
And there isn't a shred of evidence that would suggest he's incapable of doing it.
That didn't happen right off that bat like it did with Thor though. Cyclops came in charged against Thor. Against Gladiator, he reasoned and held back. When he revved up, Gladiator abandoned that heat vision battle and went for melee.
When did I say that? I spoke directly against that. Because Thor's feats are > Gladiators. Thor has produced enough strength to move the planet out of it's orbit in an arm wrestling contest.
He does though. You're repeated "nuh-uh" answers aren't changing that. Gladiator beat a giant rock and his fans jizz their pants. Because thats what it was. A giant dead space rock. Which we assume is bigger than the moon. Thor's lifted planetary sized objects also. I don't see why that doesn't give him planetary strength.
Wtf are you talking about? I posted the entire fight. How does that qualify as hiding to you? The cropped scans were to show that I wasn't making it up.
Being a noob doesn't mean you forget how to use your arms. Masterson got overpowered. Something Gladiator couldn't do. Who is also a warrior born and the top warrior of the shi'ar if I'm correct. It's something that can't be ignored.
Are you kidding me? Thor caught Mjolnir with one hand at the end of the fight. They started going at it then Mjolnir crashed to the ground. Thor overpowered Masterson earlier in the fight like I showed. But feel free to use another "nuh-uh" 👆
Thor is > Gladiator in strength. This is not debatable. If you took Mjolnir away from Thor though, Gladiator would beat the crap out of him due to comparable strength and a superior weaponless powerset. Doesn't mean he's stronger, and he isn't.
edit: also what was the point of comparting how they did against the P5 in a strength debate? If you want to turn it into a durability debate that will be even more of a thrashing for Gladiator.
Lol...good post Sorrow..don't see what Damborgson is trying to come up with here, especially when we have a clear showing of Masterson and Thor stalemating in an entire comic whereas Masterson got completely schooled by Gladiator.
I can't think of a planetary ft for Thor outside of hyperbole..he just doesn't have them. I also didn't see the part until now where Cyke flared up against Glads, that was a miss which also proves a lot. Cyclops one shotted Thor with a blast whereas Gladiator withstood multiples of hits and even stalemated Cyke in a eye blast match.
Don't get where people say Cyke was holding back. If he was holding back because he was talking, that means Gladiator was holding back as well since he was talking.
Not cheer leading at all...your points aren't really points. In one fight you have someone getting crushed, body on the ground limp. In another fight you have 2 people fighting an entire comic with none of them being dropped. Clear as day to me.
Then you have other fights as well where Thor gets one shotted repeatedly by the 5 but on the other hand you have Gladiator stalemating on, being in a prolong fight against "all" of the 5 and them repeatedly having to pound on him (more than one) to take him out. Clear cut to me.
Yet you gave up and let Sorrow fight your fight for you. Seems I do have a point.
Pretty sure Masterson wasn't limp when he beat Gladiator nearly to death. He was getting beat sure, but you make it sound like he was on the brink of a coma.
Because Thor at no point tried to Ko him. He even soaked to cheap hammers at the beginning of the fight.
Actually it was Cyclops holding back, no selling his punch, then Gladiator getting put down by Colossus and then worked into a coma when Namor came into the picture. Crazy how you can see things so differently.
