What the scan shows is...
First we see Gladiator and Cyclops fighting, then it skips to Cyclops and Emma being side by side while Namor and Colossus is surrounding Gladiator pounding on him. Now I would LOVE for you to tell me what happened before this then I want some scans. I don't need to post anything since I actually look at stuff as what they are but you pick and choose (just like you did with the Masterson and Glads fight and the Masterson and Thor fight).
Originally posted by Damborgson
What do you mean it's not jobbing? You think Avengers Assemble is standard Thor? It's the most he's jobbed since his resurrection.The situation has never been presented. He's never failed to break a dead space rock with his fists alone either.
And there isn't a shred of evidence that would suggest he's incapable of doing it.
That didn't happen right off that bat like it did with Thor though. Cyclops came in charged against Thor. Against Gladiator, he reasoned and held back. When he revved up, Gladiator abandoned that heat vision battle and went for melee.
When did I say that? I spoke directly against that. Because Thor's feats are > Gladiators. Thor has produced enough strength to move the planet out of it's orbit in an arm wrestling contest.
He does though. You're repeated "nuh-uh" answers aren't changing that. Gladiator beat a giant rock and his fans jizz their pants. Because thats what it was. A giant dead space rock. Which we assume is bigger than the moon. Thor's lifted planetary sized objects also. I don't see why that doesn't give him planetary strength.
Wtf are you talking about? I posted the entire fight. How does that qualify as hiding to you? The cropped scans were to show that I wasn't making it up.
Being a noob doesn't mean you forget how to use your arms. Masterson got overpowered. Something Gladiator couldn't do. Who is also a warrior born and the top warrior of the shi'ar if I'm correct. It's something that can't be ignored.
Are you kidding me? Thor caught Mjolnir with one hand at the end of the fight. They started going at it then Mjolnir crashed to the ground. Thor overpowered Masterson earlier in the fight like I showed. But feel free to use another "nuh-uh" 👆
Thor is > Gladiator in strength. This is not debatable. If you took Mjolnir away from Thor though, Gladiator would beat the crap out of him due to comparable strength and a superior weaponless powerset. Doesn't mean he's stronger, and he isn't.
edit: also what was the point of comparting how they did against the P5 in a strength debate? If you want to turn it into a durability debate that will be even more of a thrashing for Gladiator.
Thor is not stronger than Gladiator. Thor seems stronger because of Mjolnir but without it he is weaker. This is the honest to god truth. Lastly, the planet was the size of Earth that Gladiator wrecked. This is because we go on writer's intentions. It is clear the writer had the planet with an atmosphere. Also it is clear that the writer knows that most readers are familar with Earth as a planet more than any other planet. By default a planet with an atmosphere is Earth sized unless stated or shown. Again, we go on writer's intentions.
In a slugfest with Thor with Mjolnir against Gladiator then Thor would win at least a slight majority. But in a slugfest without Mjolnir then Gladiator wins at least a slight majority.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...good post Sorrow..don't see what Damborgson is trying to come up with here, especially when we have a clear showing of Masterson and Thor stalemating in an entire comic whereas Masterson got completely schooled by Gladiator.I can't think of a planetary ft for Thor outside of hyperbole..he just doesn't have them. I also didn't see the part until now where Cyke flared up against Glads, that was a miss which also proves a lot. Cyclops one shotted Thor with a blast whereas Gladiator withstood multiples of hits and even stalemated Cyke in a eye blast match.
Don't get where people say Cyke was holding back. If he was holding back because he was talking, that means Gladiator was holding back as well since he was talking.
You're not that stupid, so don't pretend to be.
Originally posted by Damborgson
What do you mean it's not jobbing? You think Avengers Assemble is standard Thor? It's the most he's jobbed since his resurrection.The situation has never been presented. He's never failed to break a dead space rock with his fists alone either.
And there isn't a shred of evidence that would suggest he's incapable of doing it.
That didn't happen right off that bat like it did with Thor though. Cyclops came in charged against Thor. Against Gladiator, he reasoned and held back. When he revved up, Gladiator abandoned that heat vision battle and went for melee.
When did I say that? I spoke directly against that. Because Thor's feats are > Gladiators. Thor has produced enough strength to move the planet out of it's orbit in an arm wrestling contest.
He does though. You're repeated "nuh-uh" answers aren't changing that. Gladiator beat a giant rock and his fans jizz their pants. Because thats what it was. A giant dead space rock. Which we assume is bigger than the moon. Thor's lifted planetary sized objects also. I don't see why that doesn't give him planetary strength.
Wtf are you talking about? I posted the entire fight. How does that qualify as hiding to you? The cropped scans were to show that I wasn't making it up.
Being a noob doesn't mean you forget how to use your arms. Masterson got overpowered. Something Gladiator couldn't do. Who is also a warrior born and the top warrior of the shi'ar if I'm correct. It's something that can't be ignored.
Are you kidding me? Thor caught Mjolnir with one hand at the end of the fight. They started going at it then Mjolnir crashed to the ground. Thor overpowered Masterson earlier in the fight like I showed. But feel free to use another "nuh-uh" 👆
Thor is > Gladiator in strength. This is not debatable. If you took Mjolnir away from Thor though, Gladiator would beat the crap out of him due to comparable strength and a superior weaponless powerset. Doesn't mean he's stronger, and he isn't.
edit: also what was the point of comparting how they did against the P5 in a strength debate? If you want to turn it into a durability debate that will be even more of a thrashing for Gladiator.
Of course it has, we have seen Thor outright fail to lift things or destroy objects that weren't planetary in size.
Charged against Thor? 😕 Cyclops is standing in the same spot the whole time. The way he owned Thor was about as casual as your going to see in a comic book. Gladiator went for melee and at least made some headway until the he got gang raped.
Hahaha the only person saying "nuh uh" is you. All you're doing is trying to shift the goalposts and giving your opinions which are obviously going to be in favour of Thor. Remember this isn't a vs fight, when it comes to an all out contest i'm on your side I think Thor would win, strength is a different story though. Gladiator is one the most physically imposing heralds that Marvel has. Even in the Glads/Masterson fight you keep referencing it took Thor about 10 consecutive Mjolnir shots to the face plus the blast from Living Lightning before he was KO'd.
You not being impressed by Glads destroying a planet, doesn't make the feat any less than it is nor does it change the fact he did it. Credit where credits due. Thor and Hercules created enough energy to move the Earth out of orbit, Kallark does that by himself.
Some of the scans you left out:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor9.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor10.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor11.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor13.jpg
^Thor and Masterson were literally trying to overpower the other for most of the fight and neither could manage it.
The Gladiator/Masterson scene:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator4.jpg
^Gladiator and he tied up but no-one could gain the advantage until the ground gave way. This whole Masterson as Thor being physically weaker than the original is a myth.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thor hasn't looked quite as strong or as tough as his classic self for the last few years now, i'm not even talking about the countless amount of ko's in the last 6 months.Of course it has, we have seen Thor outright fail to lift things or destroy objects that weren't planetary in size.
Charged against Thor? 😕 Cyclops is standing in the same spot the whole time. The way he owned Thor was about as casual as your going to see in a comic book. Gladiator went for melee and at least made some headway until the he got gang raped.
Hahaha the only person saying "nuh uh" is you. All you're doing is trying to shift the goalposts and giving your opinions which are obviously going to be in favour of Thor. Remember this isn't a vs fight, when it comes to an all out contest i'm on your side I think Thor would win, strength is a different story though. Gladiator is one the most physically imposing heralds that Marvel has. Even in the Glads/Masterson fight you keep referencing it took Thor about 10 consecutive Mjolnir shots to the face plus the blast from Living Lightning before he was KO'd.
You not being impressed by Glads destroying a planet, doesn't make the feat any less than it is nor does it change the fact he did it. Credit where credits due. Thor and Hercules created enough energy to move the Earth out of orbit, Kallark does that by himself.
Some of the scans you left out:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor9.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor10.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor11.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor13.jpg
^Thor and Masterson were literally trying to overpower the other for most of the fight and neither could manage it.The Gladiator/Masterson scene:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator4.jpg
^Gladiator and he tied up but no-one could gain the advantage until the ground gave way. This whole Masterson as Thor being physically weaker than the original is a myth.
More great logic and scans to prove your point 👆 Good job.
Another irrelevnt sentence adding nothing to the point 👆 once again good job. Thor getting jobbed doesn't mean he's weaker than usual.
So what? He's displayed enough planetary strength to prove his level.
I'm saying that he was charged with the P5 at the start of the fight. Not that he ran at Thor lol.
I've posted evidence, supported my reasoning, and given proof as to why I beleive what I do. You have not. You've said "Thor isn't planetary in strength." "why?" "He doesn't seem to be." This is litteraly the equivalent of your argument. Also strawmans, and trying to move away from the point by bringing in non pure strength feats, like durability, and striking power despite constant need for pure strength feats from Thor. Seriously, your embarrassing. So what if I'm arguing in Thor's favor? I'm right. And It's been proven long before I did it.
But it does. In the end it was a giant unquantifiable rock. Not something for you or anyone else to get a knot in their pants about. Not mention he slammed into it first and hit it with about 3 more all out punches to break it. "BUT IT WUZ A PLANET!" So? Gladiator has better showings that that to rely on.
Excpet Gladiator was pushing against something solid. Thor and Herucles were just arm werestling and the force produced was moving the planet off course. Not to mention they can't fly like Gladiator so it overshadows gladiators' feat by a long shot.
for the fail sorrow.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Masterson Thor vs Gladiator, from Thor #445:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator01445.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator05.jpg^ Masterson Thor vs Gladiator
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor01458.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor03459.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMastersonThor07.jpg^Masterson Thor vs Thor
What did I leave out now exactly?
The scans you selected don't even help your case. The only time in which Thor had trouble wrenching Mjolnir away was at the end where it dropped. He overpowered him on more than one occasion, which I showed, and even caught Mjolnir with one arm as it was swung against him. But of course your response will have something to do with something else I didn't mention or more nonsense.
Point: Thor can overpower Masteron, Gladiator can't.
It's not a myth and I proved why it isn't a myth. (see multiple posts) Either give up or step up your game. I'm not used to such low debating from you.
Originally posted by DamborgsonGood post man! Enjoyed reading this, Thor is stronger than a glorified clone of superman. I don't know why they don't see that moving the earth indirectly due to arm wrestling > than just moving/ destroying it but harp on the shared feat in HOM like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
More great logic and scans to prove your point 👆 Good job.Another irrelevnt sentence adding nothing to the point 👆 once again good job. Thor getting jobbed doesn't mean he's weaker than usual.
So what? He's displayed enough planetary strength to prove his level.
I'm saying that he was charged with the P5 at the start of the fight. Not that he ran at Thor lol.
I've posted evidence, supported my reasoning, and given proof as to why I beleive what I do. You have not. You've said "Thor isn't planetary in strength." "why?" "He doesn't seem to be." This is litteraly the equivalent of your argument. Also strawmans, and trying to move away from the point by bringing in non pure strength feats, like durability, and striking power despite constant need for pure strength feats from Thor. Seriously, your embarrassing. So what if I'm arguing in Thor's favor? I'm right. And It's been proven long before I did it.
But it does. In the end it was a giant unquantifiable rock. Not something for you or anyone else to get a knot in their pants about. Not mention he slammed into it first and hit it with about 3 more all out punches to break it. "BUT IT WUZ A PLANET!" So? Gladiator has better showings that that to rely on.
Excpet Gladiator was pushing against something solid. Thor and Herucles were just arm werestling and the force produced was moving the planet off course. Not to mention they can't fly like Gladiator so it overshadows gladiators' feat by a long shot.
for the fail sorrow.
What did I leave out now exactly?
The scans you selected don't even help your case. The only time in which Thor had trouble wrenching Mjolnir away was at the end where it dropped. He overpowered him on more than one occasion, which I showed, and even caught Mjolnir with one arm as it was swung against him. But of course your response will have something to do with something else I didn't mention or more nonsense.
Point: Thor can overpower Masteron, Gladiator can't.
It's not a myth and I proved why it isn't a myth. (see multiple posts) Either give up or step up your game. I'm not used to such low debating from you.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Good post man! Enjoyed reading this, Thor is stronger than a glorified clone of superman. I don't know why they don't see that moving the earth indirectly due to arm wrestling > than just moving/ destroying it but harp on the shared feat in HOM like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
thanks dude lol 👆
Originally posted by carver9
@Damborgson...Thor had a prolong fight with Masterson, Gladiator took Masterson out with a couple of well placed blows and could have killed him if he pressed his attack. The difference is clear.
Yeah I saw how well Gladiator took Masterson out.
