Originally posted by carver9
Jake, you are either blind or in denial. Masterson didn't have an advantage until he back stabbed Gladiator with living lightning. I'm not reading the rest of your post because its pointless. Him pounding on a dazed, nearly knocked out Gladiator means crap when he had to sneak attack him to pull that advantage. Now stop talking to me.
Concession accepted.
Jackethebank wins.
Flawless Victory.
What's wrong with using lightning when its Thor? Its not like Tony Stark suddenly pulling lightning from his lightning satellite, its Thor. Who's the god of it.
I would like to see a scan of this, or even an issue number then I can go get it myself. Not sure how hitting him from behind makes it not a victory.....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's wrong with using lightning when its Thor? Its not like Tony Stark suddenly pulling lightning from his lightning satellite, its Thor. Who's the god of it.I would like to see a scan of this, or even an issue number then I can go get it myself. Not sure how hitting him from behind makes it not a victory.....
It wasn't even Mastersons lightning, it was "living lightning" who by some miracle was flying around during the time Thor and Glads fought. Masterson was on the ground messed up and stated that he could hardly move. He seen living lightning flying around and controlled him to back stab Gladiator (when his other attacks didn't work). This stunned Gladiator to the point that his body went limp and he fell to the ground. Masterson took advantage of a nearly koed Gladiator and pounded on him. Before any of this even happened...Gladiator was tooling Masterson and easily at that.
Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't even Mastersons lightning, it wad "living lightning" who by some chance was flying around during the time Thor and Glads fought. Masterson was on the ground messed up and stated that he could hardly move. He seen living lightning flying around and controlled him to back stab Gladiator (when his other attacks didn't work). This stunned Gladiator to the point that his body went limp and he fell to the ground. Masterson took advantage of a nearly koed Gladiator and pounded on him. Before any of this even happened...Gladiator was tooling Masterson and easily at that.
If a rookie in the form of Masterson Thor was able to match Gladiator's strength and react to his speed and forcibly summon Living Lightning to strike Gladiator - I'd like for you to prove that his body is somehow more powerful than the lightning Thor can produce on his own - and then proceed to beat the shit out of Gladiator...
...how do you think the much more experienced and overall more powerful version of the real Thor would fare worse? Especially when he already beat up a Gladiator who had almost every advantage possible going into the fight?
It literally makes no sense. And it is blatant trolling on your part.
@Darksaint...
Here is the scene. Please look at Gladiator standing above Masterson laughing. During this fight, Gladiator made Masterson body go limp twice.
@Jake...
Masterson already tried to blast Gladiator during that fight and it did nothing but bounce off of Glads chest. A sneak attack was his best and only choice.
Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...Masterson already tried to blast Gladiator during that fight and it did nothing but bounce off of Glads chest. A sneak attack was his best and only choice.
Masterson's energy projection < Real Thor's. There's also the fact that Masterson's inexperience and struggles with his own confidence was a huge role as to why his power level seemed to dive and skyrocket at a moment's notice.
Funny how the real Thor's energy projection sent Future Gladiator for a loop and has a storied history of messing up people far more formidable than Gladiator.
So, again, if Masterson Thor, a rookie who's considerably less skilled and powerful than the real deal, can manage to come back from defeat and beat Gladiator - funny how that's a "sneak" attack, when Gladiator is standing tall over him with a shit eating smirk - why can't the real Thor fare much, much better?
Especially when he already beat up a Gladiator who confirmed Thor was too strong for him?
Wow, having not read Masterson Thor, its weird seeing a Thor like character joking around like that....and being so nooby (Gladiator: 'you are hesitant, clumsy and inept!'😉
Yeah, Gladiator was pretty much dominating the fight throughout - he's putting the hurt onto Masterson, and it was pretty much a last ditch attack, and lucky that Living Lightning happened to be flying over head. Also lucky that Gladiator is just standing over him, smirking.
What were his power levels compared to Thor's? Also, this Living Lightning guy - is his power output comparable to Thor's? Because the way I see it, if its the only thing that made the difference between defeat and victory, then we need to examine if Thor is able to output a similar amount of lightning as that guy.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wow, having not read Masterson Thor, its weird seeing a Thor like character joking around like that....and being so nooby (Gladiator: 'you are hesitant, clumsy and inept!'😉Yeah, Gladiator was pretty much dominating the fight throughout - he's putting the hurt onto Masterson, and it was pretty much a last ditch attack, and lucky that Living Lightning happened to be flying over head. Also lucky that Gladiator is just standing over him, smirking.
What were his power levels compared to Thor's? Also, this Living Lightning guy - is his power output comparable to Thor's? Because the way I see it, if its the only thing that made the difference between defeat and victory, then we need to examine if Thor is able to output a similar amount of lightning as that guy.
Pretty much. Here is another scene where Gladiator could have taken advantage of Masterson.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/224/42660845wb4.jpg/
Masterson even admits he didnt get an advantage until living lightning showed up. If Glads would have pressed his attack, Masterson never would have had the chance to do anything.
@Jake...
Again, Thor fought a future Gladiator and if we are using future Gladiators, Gladiator from the future stalemated an amped Thor.
Like I will always say, I don't have a problem giving Thor a majority against Gladiator but you giving him a majority in a "blindly" fashion isn't something I'm not going to just ignore. Masterson got his a** whipped, plain and simple. If living lightning wasn't around to save him, Masterson would have died. Hell, if Gladiator was able to see the attack coming, Masterson would have died.
Your point is MOOT Jake and again, if you want to use future versions, that would make Gladiator>>>Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What were his power levels compared to Thor's? Also, this Living Lightning guy - is his power output comparable to Thor's? Because the way I see it, if its the only thing that made the difference between defeat and victory, then we need to examine if Thor is able to output a similar amount of lightning as that guy.
Generally, Masterson, while he held the power of Thor, was inexperienced in unleashing it. This was later explained during the Blood and Thunder fiasco as the Odin Force contributing to Thor's madness by giving a portion of Thor's power to worthy beings such as Masterson and Bill. All in all, Eric had the potential, but rarely used it due to his own personal doubts and whatnot.
Living Lightning, in no way, shape, or form, rivals Thor's moderate and upper end power displays, let alone his best.
There's nothing at all to suggest that normal Thor couldn't rock Gladiator with an attack of that magnitude, if not greater, under his own power. Even less to suggest that Gladiator could ever no sell an energy blast from the real Thor.
It just seems silly that a being as durable as Gladiator is stunned to near unconsciousness from a single bolt of lightning (Living Lightning, in this case). The guy is basically a Marvel Superman, and he was nearly KOed by something that normal people in real life have survived from.
As for Masteron Thor and real Thor, their power levels should basically be the exact same (The Power Of Thor). Yes the real Thor would be more experienced, more skilled, the better fighter with the more determined will, but power-wise, they should be pretty much exact equals.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is Gladiator referring to Masterson as the Kree dupe? Because he also mentions how he's much to dangerous and powerful to allow to exist.So, all in all, this Masterson Thor seems a bit shit, to be honest.
Masterson Thor had his share of low end feats, true. Which makes sense as he's this mortal guy who has no real experience to speak of and he's filling in for Thor.
He then has moments where he's referred to as the biggest gun in the Infinity Gauntlet saga and fighting Thanos straight up.
@Dark. Yeah the story was part of Operation Galactic Storm. Before the Thor vs Gladiator scene, Gladiator worked Wonder Man pretty easily, and in my opinion based on that battle Masterson got lucky, but like Jake pointed out, the original Thor is more experienced, and more powerful. All the same, Gladiator should have defeated Masterson, and if he didn't have the luxury of team mates, he would have lost.
Originally posted by carver9
@Jake...Again, Thor fought a future Gladiator and if we are using future Gladiators, Gladiator from the future stalemated an amped Thor.
Like I will always say, I don't have a problem giving Thor a majority against Gladiator but you giving him a majority in a "blindly" fashion isn't something I'm not going to just ignore. Masterson got his a** whipped, plain and simple. If living lightning wasn't around to save him, Masterson would have died. Hell, if Gladiator was able to see the attack coming, Masterson would have died.
Your point is MOOT Jake and again, if you want to use future versions, that would make Gladiator>>>Thor.
How I am giving him the majority in a "blindly" fashion?
Furthermore, how do you get future Gladiator >>> Thor? Especially when Gladiator admits, clearly and irrevocably, that Thor is too strong for him?
Funny thing is I'm using on panel evidence and you're just mad that a rookie with hardly any experience and understanding of his power got lucky and humiliated Gladiator.
If Masterson Thor had a rematch with Gladiator, considering by the end of his run as Thor, he'd grown in experience and power, it wouldn't bode well for Gladiator. Real Thor would beat the crap out of him.
Let's play your game Jake. Reed amped the fantastic four and Thor speeds to hyper speed levels so that they can work, talk, and build at super speed. With such a huge amp, guess what, a future Gladiator still match Thor. Thor with an AMP got stalemated by Gladiator.
Using future versions of Gladiator and Thor fights, its 2 to 1 in Gladiator favor since he did ko Thor during the fight Jake keeps referencing. Lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OK, then if Thor > Living Lightning, and if Living Lightning was what made the difference between nooby Thor and Gladiator....seems kinda clear cut to me, I don't know.
You also have to think about the fact that it was a sneak attack. It probably wouldn't have worked if Gladiator was ready for it.
