Thanos Invasion

Originally posted by DTM
It just seems silly that a being as durable as Gladiator is stunned to near unconsciousness from a single bolt of lightning (Living Lightning, in this case). The guy is basically a Marvel Superman, and he was nearly KOed by something that normal people in real life have survived from.

As for Masteron Thor and real Thor, their power levels should basically be the exact same (The Power Of Thor). Yes the real Thor would be more experienced, more skilled, the better fighter with the more determined will, but power-wise, they should be pretty much exact equals.

Their power levels aren't the same, though.

Masterson gained a portion of Thor's power, not the totality of it, which was why Thor winds up going crazy in Blood and Thunder. All the various identities and being bound to different mortals and his own godly essence being used to empower people like Eric and Bill made him snap.

Wielding the "Power of Thor" doesn't mean you get access to all of it.

Moot point anyway as per feats, Blake/Olsen and hostless Thor >>> Masterson in terms of power.

Originally posted by carver9
Let's play your game Jake. Reed amped the fantastic four and Thor speeds to hyper speed levels so that they can work, talk, and build at super speed. With such a huge amp, guess what, a future Gladiator still match Thor. Thor with an AMP got stalemated by Gladiator.

Using future versions of Gladiator and Thor fights, its 2 to 1 in Gladiator favor since he did ko Thor during the fight Jake keeps referencing. Lol.

I forgot to add...this Gladiator was exhausted when he fought Thor.

I never knew that, I always thought Masterson was basically a mortal with the power of Thor, least Im pretty sure thats how they treated it during the time Masterson was Thor anyway.

Originally posted by carver9
Let's play your game Jake. Reed amped the fantastic four and Thor speeds to hyper speed levels so that they can work, talk, and build at super speed. With such a huge amp, guess what, a future Gladiator still match Thor. Thor with an AMP got stalemated by Gladiator.

Using future versions of Gladiator and Thor fights, its 2 to 1 in Gladiator favor since he did ko Thor during the fight Jake keeps referencing. Lol.

Funny, because that "KO" you're referring to is missing the context that future Gladiator had prep time, took a hostage, starting off by attacking Jake Olsen - the mortal form of Thor at the time - and was bloodlusted the whole time. He also took advantage of Thor's weakness regarding being depowered.

In the rematch, Thor promptly stops holding back - he states this - and then beats the shit out of Gladiator. Gladiator then states "He's too strong!".

So, Gladiator, with the aid of various plot devices in the very sense of the word, managed to KO Thor. Great. Without them, he'd be phucked.

Originally posted by DTM
It just seems silly that a being as durable as Gladiator is stunned to near unconsciousness from a single bolt of lightning (Living Lightning, in this case). The guy is basically a Marvel Superman, and he was nearly KOed by something that normal people in real life have survived from.

As for Masteron Thor and real Thor, their power levels should basically be the exact same (The Power Of Thor). Yes the real Thor would be more experienced, more skilled, the better fighter with the more determined will, but power-wise, they should be pretty much exact equals.

I agree...it was a sneak attack though. Also, Masterson had the full scope of Thor power, he just didn't have as much experience.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree...it was a sneak attack though. Also, Masterson had the full scope of Thor power, he just didn't have as much experience.

No, he didn't have the full scope of Thor's power. This was stated and shown in Blood and Thunder. Stop lying. Even if he did, that lack of experience prevented him from being able to properly utilize it.

Which means shit when compared to the real Thor.

Originally posted by DTM
I never knew that, I always thought Masterson was basically a mortal with the power of Thor, least Im pretty sure thats how they treated it during the time Masterson was Thor anyway.

He was...don't know where Jake got that he wasn't. He even brags on multiple of occasions as having Thor powers.

Originally posted by carver9
He was...don't know where Jake got that he wasn't. He even brags on multiple of occasions as having Thor powers.

Having the power of Thor =/= having complete access and control over the power of Thor.

Both Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel, Jr. have the Power of Shazam (ie same power source). Billy has more of that power than Freddy does, though.

Personally I think B&T retconned Mastersons time as Thor, as I collected Thor during that time, and there was no mention of him having on a portion of Thors might, especially with how they treated Masterson Thor during the IG.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank Both Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel, Jr. have the Power of Shazam (ie same power source). Billy has more of that power than Freddy does, though. [/B]

Again, are you sure? Ive always been lead to believe that the Power Of Shazam is split evenly among those that are currently using it, but CM is stronger than CM3 or MM. Mentally and emotionally different all, sure, but physically I was sure they were all the same.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Having the power of Thor =/= having complete access and control over the power of Thor.

Both Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel, Jr. have the Power of Shazam (ie same power source). Billy has more of that power than Freddy does, though.

The difference is, Masterson WAS Thor. Thor powers was passed to him. In a fight between the two, I would give Thor the majority but I think it would be a hellava fight, especially looking at Masterson fts.

Originally posted by DTM
Personally I think B&T retconned Mastersons time as Thor, as I collected Thor during that time, and there was no mention of him having on a portion of Thors might, especially with how they treated Masterson Thor during the IG.

It didn't retcon it. It still happened and is a part of Thor's history - he mentions how Eric filled in for him as Thor. But Blood and Thunder does explain how Odin's machinations and the other beings who have been given the power of Thor robbed Thor of his identity and made him less "whole".

It's also clear that by feats there is no compare to Masterson and the genuine article, to which Eric states himself on numerous occasions.

Originally posted by DTM
Again, are you sure? Ive always been lead to believe that the Power Of Shazam is split evenly among those that are currently using it, but CM is stronger than CM3 or MM. Mentally and emotionally different all, sure, but physically I was sure they were all the same.

Billy is the primary host of the Power of Shazam and actually gave his power to Freddy rather than Freddy getting it directly from the Wizard himself, unlike Billy.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It didn't retcon it. It still happened and is a part of Thor's history - he mentions how Eric filled in for him as Thor. But Blood and Thunder does explain how Odin's machinations and the other beings who have been given the power of Thor robbed Thor of his identity and made him less "whole".

It's also clear that by feats there is no compare to Masterson and the genuine article, to which Eric states himself on numerous occasions.

Well, a retcon in general does happen and is a party of history of that comic, doesnt mean its not a retcon.

Im just saying when Masterson was Thor, there was no mention of him having only a portion of Thors power, nor was it displayed as such in the comics, then years later in B&T its mentioned this may be the case, so a future change of something that happened in the past is a retcon, BUT we have to keep in mind that events that happend before the retcon should be treated as they were originally intended.

Originally posted by carver9
The difference is, Masterson WAS Thor. Thor powers was passed to him. In a fight between the two, I would give Thor the majority but I think it would be a hellava fight, especially looking at Masterson fts.

No, he wasn't. The simple fact that Thor was still around and living in Asgard is proof that while Masterson took on the identity and power of Thor he still wasn't Thor. This was stated numerous times.

Trying to not so subtly hype up Masterson after you dogged on him as a means to indirectly make Gladiator look superior doesn't work.

Originally posted by DTM
Well, a retcon in general does happen and is a party of history of that comic, doesnt mean its not a retcon.

Im just saying when Masterson was Thor, there was no mention of him having only a portion of Thors power, nor was it displayed as such in the comics, then years later in B&T its mentioned this may be the case, so a future change of something that happened in the past is a retcon, BUT we have to keep in mind that events that happend before the retcon should be treated as they were originally intended.

Even if you believe Masterson held the full power of Thor - which doesn't make sense considering the real Thor was very much alive and existing in Asgard - it's clear by feats and dialogue he was < the real Thor.

I don't really see how anyone can dispute that or dispute the fact that his general lack of experience prevented him from properly utilizing the power he had in the first place.

Originally posted by DTM
I never knew that, I always thought Masterson was basically a mortal with the power of Thor, least Im pretty sure thats how they treated it during the time Masterson was Thor anyway.

They did but later they nerfed him a bit. After all even thanos was taken aback by a Masterson hit.

Thanks for the second set of scans, carver 👆

Question, though. In the scans, it shows Gladiator sneak attacking Thor, no? I mean, Thor gets a bit of an inkling an attack is about to happen, but as to when, he doesn't quite know..

And all of you have different interpretations of KO, lol. Thor's not KOed in those scans - he's shouting and boasting, as Thor usually does.

Originally posted by Stoic
They did but later they nerfed him a bit. After all even thanos was taken aback by a Masterson hit.

So initially he has the full power of Thor, then years later, after Masterson was Thunderstrike, they changed it around a bit. Sure sounds like a retcon to me. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanks for the second set of scans, carver 👆

Question, though. In the scans, it shows Gladiator sneak attacking Thor, no? I mean, Thor gets a bit of an inkling an attack is about to happen, but as to when, he doesn't quite know..

And all of you have different interpretations of KO, lol. Thor's not KOed in those scans - he's shouting and boasting, as Thor usually does.

He's referred to the fight I initally brought up in the second volume of Thor. Gladiator disarms Thor and punches him across the city, and 60 seconds expire in which Thor reverts to his mortal alter ego.

This happens after Gladiator heat visions Jake Olsen, and takes his ex's daughter hostage prior to Olsen turning into Thor. Gladiator is also trying to kill Thor while Thor is reasoning with him.

Once Thor has had enough and stops holding back through words and deeds, he fells Gladiator in a handful of blows.