Originally posted by BlightThe powers Ganon displays are explicitly unrelated to any wishing.
Can you explain more thoroughly? I don't understand how that pertains to my question. Maybe I'm just tired.
The first time he gains the Triforce of Power is in OoT, but upon touching it the Triforce scatters into three parts without allowing him to make a wish, which is why Link and Zelda get their pieces.
If someone whose heart is 'out of balance' touches the triforce it scatters and they have to recollect the other pieces in order to actually obtain it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The powers Ganon displays are explicitly unrelated to any wishing.The first time he gains the Triforce of Power is in OoT, but upon touching it the Triforce scatters into three parts without allowing him to make a wish, which is why Link and Zelda get their pieces.
If someone whose heart is 'out of balance' touches the triforce it scatters and they have to recollect the other pieces in order to actually obtain it.
In other words, why would the whole triforce give him any powers at all in the other games if it won't even let him make a wish. Seems like bad writing.
As I understand it, the "scattering" only happens the first time someone touches it, assuming their heart is imbalanced. After that, if they manage to collect the other two pieces and combine them, they get the wishes anyway. Probably because tracking down the other two counts as proving yourself or something.
Ganondorf didn't get a wish in OoT, but since his heart was unbalanced in the Power direction, he got to keep that piece while the other two went elsewhere. He was defeated before the Triforce formed again, however, but later he succeeds in getting them all together in Wind Waker. Someone does get a wish that time.
In short, if you touch it while imbalanced, you get one piece. If you collect them again, you get the whole thing.
Originally posted by The Scenario
As I understand it, the "scattering" only happens the first time someone touches it, assuming their heart is imbalanced. After that, if they manage to collect the other two pieces and combine them, they get the wishes anyway. Probably because tracking down the other two counts as proving yourself or something.Ganondorf didn't get a wish in OoT, but since his heart was unbalanced in the Power direction, he got to keep that piece while the other two went elsewhere. He was defeated before the Triforce formed again, however, but later he succeeds in getting them all together in Wind Waker. Someone does get a wish that time.
In short, if you touch it while imbalanced, you get one piece. If you collect them again, you get the whole thing.
Originally posted by NephthysIn short, he's asking if Ganon wished for powers he already had?
He did in ALttP, which I believe is what Blight is referring to. He's asking if all the planetary stuff you insist is proof that Ganon was amped by the Triforce could have been him wishing for power, right Blight?
Earlier incarnations of Ganon display all the abilities aLttP Ganon does, just on a smaller scale.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes, it does explain that he could not have wished for his powers because he didn't get to make a wish at all.
I get that he gets extra powers with the triforce of power, but does he get even more when they're combined, or does he just wish for more?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In short, he's asking if Ganon wished for powers he already had?Earlier incarnations of Ganon display all the abilities aLttP Ganon does, just on a smaller scale.
No, he's asking if Ganoncould have wished to be more powerful.
Although that doesn't necessarily mean that he needed the Triforce to do all that. The Essence does say that he's been working to increase his power.
Originally posted by BlightI'm not sure about Wisdom because we don't see it in use often. It seems to gift the wielder with a significant magical amp, while courage gives a mostly physical amp. ToP seems to give a significant boost to both.
How does the triforce of courage and wisdom enhance you? Didn't link have courage and Zelda had wisdom? Anything of note there?Also is there proof that the triforce amps magical artifacts that aren't triforce related?
The ToC gives superhuman physical stats, as displayed in Twilight Princess, potentially matching those given by the ToP. It also provides a degree of magical protection to the wielder, though the protection is less than what the Master Sword provides.
Not sure I understand the second question? Other magical artifacts?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not sure about Wisdom because we don't see it in use often. It seems to gift the wielder with a significant magical amp, while courage gives a mostly physical amp. ToP seems to give a significant boost to both.
What amp have we seen and how does it "Seem" that way? "Seems" isn't very concrete proof.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The ToC gives superhuman physical stats, as displayed in Twilight Princess, potentially matching those given by the ToP. It also provides a degree of magical protection to the wielder, though the protection is less than what the Master Sword provides.
Interesting. So Link's durability is attributed due to possession of the Triforce of Courage? What would you say his durability is without the Triforce of Courage?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not sure I understand the second question? Other magical artifacts?
Secifically: I'm talking about the Ether attack. What proof is there that the Triforce would augment an ability derived from a magical Artifact (The Ether is a Medallion, right)?
What amp have we seen and how does it "Seem" that way? "Seems" isn't very concrete proof.It gives Zelda the abilities of the seventh sage and enough magical power to telekinetically pin Ganon for Link to land a final blow in OoT.
There's little concrete we know about the ToW because Link only possesses it in two 8-bit games.
Interesting. So Link's durability is attributed due to possession of the Triforce of Courage? What would you say his durability is without the Triforce of Courage?TP Link without it is pretty much human. Really strong for a human, but human. As the story of Twilight Princess progresses you meet The Hero's Shade, a ghost of one of the former heroes.
Initially he finds Twilight Princess Link to be sub-par, and unfit to be a hero, but as Link becomes more powerful and demonstrates his heroic qualities, the Shade's opinion of him changes.
Originally posted by BlightEh, I could see how it could conflict with your previous notions about the character, but he does have the feats to support it his super-humanity.
These things are starting to make more sense now. I thought the "Steel Skin" was a baseless claim. Now I may be seeing the light.... may..
To give this some context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ta2HinObZo&t=1m0s
Link at the beginning of the game can be knocked out by a hard swing from what appears to be a stone club.
Only a little further into the story, while still considered 'unworthy to wear the tunic of the hero' (I forget the exact wording)
He's doing this kind of shit;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE6x19jE6Vk&t=0m30s
Dangoro is a giant Goron, Gorons are a race of stone giants with super strength. (In MM a Goron hero has enough strength to knock out the center of a 30-foot wide-ish pillar with a punch. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90GOCOpBY4&t=13m50s )
Games v.s. has mathed Dangoro, who as you can see is heavy enough to snap the chains supporting that massive platform, and shift it's balance considerably just by moving around on it while it floats in lava, at over 60 tons.
Link can physically overpower him even this early in the game, and even lift and throw him.
Additionally Link is wearing boots that make him even heavier than Dangoro. (You can see that they shift the weight of the platform in Link's favour over Dangoro's.) They're also standing on a floor so magnetic that this material allows Link to walk on ceilings defying gravity in 60 ton cement shoes.
Later Link proves his stronger than Fyrus.
At 0:50 to 1:10 you see Fyrus effortlessly snap a bunch of giant steel chains. The tensile strenght of steel is pretty significant, and Fyrus is a giant, magically enhances super Goron. Link can grab the chains hanging off his feet and trip him up under his own strength. He only needs the iron boots to make himself stick to the floor well enough to do so.
Remember when Link got bopped on the head earlier in the game and was KO'd?
You've seen this but still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaWVPFVdaZo&t=0m18s
King Bulbin and his giant steel axe don't even hurt him. This is less than halfway through the game, we know Link becomes much more powerful than this because this early on the Shade is still skeptical.
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There's more if you want it. That's early, low end TP Link. End game TP Link is doing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx0Yfg6EasQ&t=13m50s
Physically matching Ganondorf. This sounds less impressive than it is, Ganondorf is extremely physically powerful, matching this feat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ70pqF2NHk&t=8m55s
By disarming Link with a swing a few moments later during the final fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMB81g_GVPM&t=7m28s
"...Your current power would disgrace the proud green of the hero's tunic you wear."