Link vs Luffy

Originally posted by The Scenario
Well, it's mostly just a conclusion based on the the fact that Triforce of Power can physically amp someone. Assuming the whole Triforce has the same abilities as its individual pieces isn't unreasonable.

The Triforce of Power actually goes into the users body though and is symbolised by that...... er, symbol on Ganon's hand. The Triforce exists independently from whoever possesses it. The relationship between the full Triforce and its user is different enough to make it illogical to assume that it amps the user like the seperate pieces do.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Otherwise, yes, no one has ever used the whole thing without making a wish.

Gooooooooood.

The way I see the Triforce working in this case, is Link has all the pieces, and they're simply not combining foot access the wish. So instead each piece will merge with Link as normal, bestowing their individual amps.

As shown in OoT the pieces are compelled to merge into one.

If Link gets the Triforce of Wisdom wouldn't it stand to reason he doesn't enter into the fight at all with someone who is his physical superior? 😛

Originally posted by Blight
If Link gets the Triforce of Wisdom wouldn't it stand to reason he doesn't enter into the fight at all with someone who is his physical superior? 😛

As for gear two countering the freeze, the ToP alone has frozen entire cities solid. Like, flash frozen, Zoras are frozen mid swim and shit.

Ether amped by triforce >

Originally posted by Nephthys
As shown in OoT the pieces are compelled to merge into one.

Yes, but that's when they're not being hindered by an inability to act normally. If it can't perform its wishing ability, what reason does it have to combine? I can't remember if it's ever shown any sentience, though, so...*shrug*

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Yes, but that's when they're not being hindered by an inability to act normally. If it can't perform its wishing ability, what reason does it have to combine? I can't remember if it's ever shown any sentience, though, so...*shrug*

We know this is not the case, because Ganon uses it's non-wish-related-power in aLttP.

Well she is a failsafe for the Triforce.....

Being hit with the MS goes FAR beyond just physical injury, dude.

This is your argument, he can be hurt by the master sword, so despite all evidence to the contrary, Luffy smacking him is going to be a problem?

I wasn't listing all those other items for my own enjoyment. No, my argument is that despite everything, non-evils bane weapons have been able to inflict damage on him.

You can say what you want about the MS being the only thing to finish him off, but theres no way you can deny that Ganon is 100% unaffected by any other attack.

1. No, it can't. Both fights involve him being hit with the Master Sword while he is down. The part where he's knocked over so it can be done is just that, he is knocked over.
2. I never said it was the only thing that could hurt him. I said nothing less will do. Which is not a no-limits fallacy.
3. Except you're wrong again. Midna left not a scratch on him. Kool, but the important thing is; The hole in his chest? Remember that? This also implies that Link can physically harm Ganon without the MS and Midna cannot, making him a physical castle buster... Are you insane?

Lets say Luffy, in theory, could actually physically harm someone who possessed the entire triforce. All right, I'm imagining it. He punches a hole in the guy and... ****ing nothing happens.

Except that Ether is cast a moment later.

Want to know why?

Because Luffy lacks the magical means to disable him.

If these things can hurt him, Luffy, who is leagues above Link in strength damage, can hurt him in a far greater manner. Damaged in OoT, damaged in TP; 2 instances where he can be harmed. TP; one instance where he takes a mortal wound.. and theres no 'it does nothing' as it left a gaping wound that is now a weak point :l

2. Nothing less than an evil smiting sword, which has the single 'evil smiting' feat of beating Ganon.. In other words nothing less than a featless evil repellent. And don't mention it being a 'failsafe to the triforce which is planetarty' as the only thing to do with Ganon is its evil smiting. So unless you have a feat for that, it means nothing here.

3. I'm wrong? So he has a better feat than the castle bust? Show me.

Theres nothing here that says Ganon will be able to take attacks of Luffy's caliber. His best durability feat doesn't compare and he's been shown to be injured by non MS means without the ToP doing much to help.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Neph seems confused. From what I understand his argument is because the triforce forms a whole, the wielder loses it's power or something despite still possessing it. I don't get it.

We know this is not the case, because Ganon uses it's non-wish-related-power in aLttP.

Do you need me to draw you a diagram?

Prove it.

1. OoT; By using non-evils bane weapons [Hammer, Biggorons, Hookshot] Ganon is rendered unable to fight.

Proven false by him getting the **** back up a second later.

This also suggests Link is a physical castle buster, which not even I would claim. haermm

The fact is nothing but the master sword and silver arrows have ever done more than knock Ganon over. Exploding a castle on him didn't leave a scratch. Luffy can do nothing.

Theres nothing here that says Ganon will be able to take attacks of Luffy's caliber. His best durability feat doesn't compare and he's been shown to be injured by non MS means without the ToP doing much to help.

When? No, he hasn't. All you've done is mention times that he got hit hard and knocked over. Or pushed over.

We have cutscenes of significantly worse happening to him with no ill effect. So what exactly is your argument?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you need me to draw you a diagram?

Prove it.

Why would he even want the whole thing if possessing it would make him weaker? Good God, do you even think about your claims?

Proven false by him getting the **** back up a second later.

This also suggests Link is a physical castle buster, which not even I would claim.

The fact is nothing but the master sword and silver arrows have ever done more than knock Ganon over. Exploding a castle on him didn't leave a scratch. Luffy can do nothing.

When? No, he hasn't. All you've done is mention times that he got hit hard and knocked over. Or pushed over.

We have cutscenes of significantly worse happening to him with no ill effect. So what exactly is your argument?

So you deny that he was damaged to a point where he couldnt maintain the flames and could do nothing to stop Link from casually walking away to fetch the MS? He was unable to fight. I don't care how long, it happened.

Actually the only thing it suggests is that the castle feat is sketchy for being with his spectral form not his physical body, or he lost like Beast form and came back again. But tbh Id prefer him not to go down to large building level. :T

Ganondorf can tank a city-block blast. So? Do you know how far above that blast Luffy can strike at? The only way you can say that Ganondorf's unknown durability can tank Luffy's attacks is to shows something that proves how far he is above city-block or say that 'nothing can harm him besides the MS'. Because so far the greatest defenses hes shown is nothing compared to Luffy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Unless you think base Ganondorf can reach across sealed dimensional barriers and cause massive natural disasters, mind rape an army, and create huge monsters while sealed in the sacred realm, which I'd gladly take, he's using its' power. There's nothing to prove.

Why would he even want the whole thing if possessing it would make him weaker? Good God, do you even think about your claims?

Because its not as if he made a wish to take over the world or anything....

Besides, wasn't he possessing Arhnzihm or whatever while he did that? Which begs the question of, if he truly possessed the power of the Triforce, how did any barrier contain him? Either way, you are agian basing your entire argument off of pure speculation and off-screen feats. It's funny how often you do that.

Gee, I can't think of any reason. If only the Triforce, I don't know, granted wishes or something?

Because its not as if he made a wish to take over the world or anything....

Way to ignore most of what I said. >_<

Anyway, those feats are irrelevant because they happened by proxy and are open to speculation. If you could actually prove that Ganon used the Triforce to do all that then you would have already. Ultimately you have no evidence, and thus no argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Way to ignore most of what I said. >_<

Anyway, those feats are irrelevant because they happened by proxy and are open to speculation. If you could actually prove that Ganon used the Triforce to do all that then you would have already. Ultimately you have no evidence, and thus no argument.

No, really, tell me again how the triforce doesn't make it's wielder more powerful.

Your format is usually;

ridiculous premise

ideas that might make this premise work

statement declaring your premise as fact.

Here's the thing, unless base Ganon is capable of influencing Hyrule from the sacred realm and causing catastrophes and mind rape, he used the power of the triforce to do these things.

The triforce is what put Ganon in the form he's in, he's a bigass pig demon because triforce.

He fights with power he got from the triforce, and this thread basically comes down to the following facts.

1. The triforce makes Link too powerful.
2. Even if it didn't, the ToP alone makes punching a hole in Link's chest a novel gesture at best. He'll still just use Ether.
3. Fi has no reason to turn on Link, so Luffy can't turn off the triforce or counter it's affect on him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've mostly stopped reading more than the first line of your posts when it comes to Link threads, honestly. I came here hoping for new people to discuss things with and I get the same people who've been against almost every feat ever presented all over again.

If you don't want to debate me you can just say. I'll back off. If I'm making this unpleasant for you then I'm sorry. Remember, this is supposed to be fun. I truly don't have anything against Link or LoZ. I just think that you make some ridiculous claims when it comes to LoZ related stuff.

Although being a fan of Luffy does help.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, really, tell me again how the triforce doesn't make it's wielder more powerful.

After you tell me again how the Triforce makes its wielder more powerful. This time with actual facts.

If the Triforce truly made it wielders more powerful then the King of Hyrule would have punched Ganon's head off as soon as he touched it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Your format is usually;

ridiculous premise

ideas that might make this premise work

statement declaring your premise as fact.

Ironically that is pretty much how I see your posts. Unlike you though I have the courtesy to suffer through the entirety of them. And the wit to actually rebuke them.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Here's the thing, unless base Ganon is capable of influencing Hyrule from the sacred realm and causing catastrophes and mind rape, he used the power of the triforce to do these things.

And why is that so ludicrous?

And as I recall he needed to possess Whatshisface to do that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The triforce is what put Ganon in the form he's in, he's a bigass pig demon because triforce.

Good for him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He fights with power he got from the triforce, and this thread basically comes down to the following facts.

1. The triforce makes Link too powerful.
2. Even if it didn't, the ToP alone makes punching a hole in Link's chest a novel gesture at best. He'll still just use Ether.
3. Fi has no reason to turn on Link, so Luffy can't turn off the triforce or counter it's affect on him.

'ridiculous premise

ideas that might make this premise work

statement declaring your premise as fact'

Check check and check. Nice job. 👆

If you don't want to debate me you can just say. I'll back off. If I'm making this unpleasant for you then I'm sorry. I truly don't have anything against Link or LoZ. I just think that you make some ridiculous claims when it comes to LoZ related stuff.

Although being a fan of Luffy does help.

I'm not trying to be mean, but it gets old fast, dude.

I know for a fact you've seen Ganon's execution several times over the months and months we've bantered back and forth. What is so hard to accept about a hole in his chest factually not affecting him?

Ironically that is pretty much how I see your posts. Unlike you though I have the courtesy to suffer through the entirety of them. And the wit to actually rebuke them.

As I said before, no really, tell me again how the triforce doesn't make its' wielder more powerful, as its' repeatedly stated to do.

Actually read the rest of your post.

1. Nothing about a planetary+magical artifact putting Link above Luffy is ridiculous.
2. This part is actually supported by cutscenes and canon events.
3. Okay, you got me.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not trying to be mean, but it gets old fast, dude.

I know for a fact you've seen Ganon's execution several times over the months and months we've bantered back and forth. What is so hard to accept about a hole in his chest factually not affecting him?

You could always bombard me with maths again. I hate maths. I couldn't f'ing stand it when you'd babble numbers at me and I couldn't counter a thing because I didn't understand a word of it.

Nothing at all. I readily accept on-screen evidence. I'm just not convinced that that feat applies here.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
As I said before, no really, tell me again how the [b]triforce doesn't make its' wielder more powerful, as its' repeatedly stated to do.

Actually read the rest of your post.

1. Nothing about a planetary+magical artifact putting Link above Luffy is ridiculous.
2. This part is actually supported by cutscenes and canon events.
3. Okay, you got me. [/B]

Well it obviously hasn't or you would have posted those statements already. I've asked to prove that the Triforce makes the person who owns it more powerful plenty of times. The reason I'm saying that it doesn't is because you havn't, and there isn't a single example of it doing so. All of the examples you've given me are heavily debatable. Which is what I'm doing. Did you really expect me not to?

I was applying that more to your whole post really. Ironyfail.

Can it not be proved that Ganon gaining all these powers with the triforce wasn't just him wishing himself to have said powers?