Link vs Luffy

Originally posted by Nephthys
Where is it stated and proven?

To what degree of power would it elevate him to?

Prove that it would elevate him to the point you think it would.

It's actually stated to be omnipotent, but we kind of throw that shit out because it's a no limit fallacy. The statements of it's power are all over the games. LoZ, LoZ II, aLttP, OoT, WW, TP, SS, OoA, OoS.

I've told you this like ten thousand times, what are you actually looking for?

I told you already I can't tell you how strong he'll become, because the upper limit is unknown. I can tell you that bare minimum he'll have power on a planetary scale because the triforce has repeatedly and consistently done things on that level even without it's ability to warp reality as a completed whole.

Show us HOW MUCH it augment's. Use power scaling! We haven't seen any proof as to how much it actually augmented Ganandorf. Ganandorf could already have planetary skill. That's the point. Prove how much it improves a character.

I just want to know how it physically affects him, the other magical stuff isn't important to the 'Luffy punches him' situation. :I

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Single pieces have feats on a planetary level, and are more powerful than beings with planetary feats, Neph.

And where is the proof that Link would be granted those powers? Scenario has admitted that he can't tell how much of, say, Ganondorfs feats are his own power and how much is the Triforce of Power. And I can't think of Ganon doing any planetary things with just the Triforce of Power.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's actually stated to be omnipotent, but we kind of throw that shit out because it's a no limit fallacy. The statements of it's power are all over the games. LoZ, LoZ II, aLttP, OoT, WW, TP, SS, OoA, OoS.

I've told you this like ten thousand times, what are you actually looking for?

I know very well how powerful the Triforce is. What I'm looking for is some proof that it would empower Link up to the levels you say it will. There's never been an example of the Triforce doing that. You're going purely off of speculation here.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I told you already I can't tell you how strong he'll become, because the upper limit is unknown. I can tell you that bare minimum he'll have power on a planetary scale because the triforce has repeatedly and consistently done things on that level even without it's ability to warp reality as a completed whole.

No, you cannot tell me that because you haven't provided any proof that it would grant Link the ability to wield that kind of power. The best argument I've heard is that it would probably give Link Ganon and Zelda's powers on top of his own. Personally though I doubt that would enable Link to beat Luffy anyway.

Originally posted by Blight
Show us HOW MUCH it augment's. Use power scaling! We haven't seen any proof as to how much it actually augmented Ganandorf. Ganandorf could already have planetary skill. That's the point. Prove how much it improves a character.

Lets use Hylia then. Hylia is a minor deity who sits below the pieces of the triforce in power, and had to hide them from Demise and become human because other gods can't use their power. The below feats are done without a piece of it, and are all her, to be clear, so there's no confusion about how much is her, she is just her and she is less than.

She has a planetary feat. As well as many lesser feats. She created a series of casual city busters, the dragons who blow up volcanoes or flood regions on a whim. She created Skyloft and sealed the rest of the earth away underneath a cloud barrier. She is implied to have done this while mortally wounded. mmm

Originally posted by Blight
Show us HOW MUCH it augment's. Use power scaling! We haven't seen any proof as to how much it actually augmented Ganandorf. Ganandorf could already have planetary skill. That's the point. Prove how much it improves a character.

Okay, here's a decent before/after shot of Ganondorf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVYggDnaJgY#t=2m

Ganondorf sans Triforce of Power is captured by the Sages and held by chains. He is then executed by a sword strike. At this point the Triforce of Power activates. Ganondorf is revived, now strong enough to break the chains, and proceeds to punch a Sage into dust. He's no longer phased by the sword in his chest, and pulls it out. He spends the rest of the game walking around with this hole in his chest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ex-Cpsnkyo#t=1m

Later in the game he revives again, then faces down with Midna + Fused Shadows. This causes the castle to explode, and Ganondorf is unharmed.

Okay, so Ganondorf went from a guy unable to break chains that can be killed by a sword to the chest, to a guy that can shatter chains, explode people with a punch, and take a castle exploding on him unharmed. ASSUMING that Link gets a similar boost from the Triforce of Power, it's entirely possible he'd gain enough strength and durability to take Luffy on reasonably well.

Were I to argue that I would point out that we have no idea how sharp that sword is or what those sages were made of exactly and that he took that castle explosion off-screen.

It's sharp enough to be considered a wedge that can pierce a semi-/solid object. That's not enough? The sages were also made of semi-/solid stuffs. The off-screen I'll give you, I guess, though the panel was very clearly of Midna bringing the attack down on Ganondorf.

(This is literally nothing but speculation. Possibility. Educated guessing. There's evidence involved, but we're still trying to apply Ganondorf using an item to Link using the same item.)

There is nothing concrete about any of this.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Okay, here's a decent before/after shot of Ganondorf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVYggDnaJgY#t=2m

Ganondorf sans Triforce of Power is captured by the Sages and held by chains. He is then executed by a sword strike. At this point the Triforce of Power activates. Ganondorf is revived, now strong enough to break the chains, and proceeds to punch a Sage into dust. He's no longer phased by the sword in his chest, and pulls it out. He spends the rest of the game walking around with this hole in his chest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ex-Cpsnkyo#t=1m

Later in the game he revives again, then faces down with Midna + Fused Shadows. This causes the castle to explode, and Ganondorf is unharmed.

Okay, so Ganondorf went from a guy unable to break chains that can be killed by a sword to the chest, to a guy that can shatter chains, explode people with a punch, and take a castle exploding on him unharmed. ASSUMING that Link gets a similar boost from the Triforce of Power, it's entirely possible he'd gain enough strength and durability to take Luffy on reasonably well.

Originally posted by Blight
Are we now arguing Twilight Princess Link?

I am giving an example of how the Triforce of Power increases its user's stats. Twilight Princess has the best comparison of Pre-Triforce Ganondorf to Post-Triforce Ganondorf.

I'm basically taking the Triforce of Power from Twilight Princess and attempting to apply it to any version of Link. Assuming it does what it did for Ganondorf, any Link to possess it may be able to gain a similar level of durability, strength, and damage soak. If we give it to ALttP Link, for example, it's possible he'd get castle level durability and strength equivalent to TP Link's, since that's what it gave Ganondorf.

Like I said, it's all speculation.

Luffy Chopped a mansion in half with his leg when he was at his lowest power level. Just an FYI, I don't think Luffy would he easily downed by a castle either. So far that boosting Ganon got doesn't sound very planetary.

Reasonably well is an okay assumption. Luffy MAY have to work for this, but I still haven't seen much to outright down him. Unless Screampaste yelling planetary feats are true, which I've yet to see.

Yes, a recent calc had Luffy punch someone through 302 to 453 Manhattan cityblocks worth of pure rock volume without using Gear 2nd or 3rd. And then later he smashes up an island-sized ship with bleeding profusely.

So far that boosting Ganon got doesn't sound very planetary.

And with it he does have planetary feats, like turning off the sun. (Which was done while weakened)

Any proof The triforce augmented him to that level? I know he was already a sorcerer prior, we don't know how powerful he was prior to getting the top, do we?

Are you suggesting that Ganondorf's magic was planetary in scale before he got the Triforce of Power?

... Shit, I'll take it.

Still pretty powerful. I don't think the Deku tree has any feats to help this out, but Ganon was able to kill him in OoT without the aid of the triforce piece. He did similar work on Death Mountain and probably not much on Zora's Domain in that game.

I think it's stated in multiple games that Ganon was still a pretty good sorceror prior to getting the Triforce. But the Triforce amped him to much higher levels. Levels like freezing cities solid, resurrecting the dead and turning off the sun and whatnot.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Are you suggesting that Ganondorf's magic was planetary in scale before he got the Triforce of Power?

... Shit, I'll take it.

Originally posted by Blight
I'm not suggesting anything either way, I'm trying to ascertain a sliding power scale that could prove how much Link would actually be augmented. Link isn't a sorcerer, so I can't imagine him "turning off" the sun Willy nilly.

Let me be clear here, and repeat myself again.

We are not attributing anyone else's abilities to Link, only the inherent power of the triforce to his existing abilities.