Originally posted by Blight
So essentially what you're saying is the Legend of Zelda is a convoluted mess and we have no real frame of reference for what the Triforce can actually do when combined? Especially not for Link since it has never really seemed to do much of anything when he has had it combined? Got it. It honestly sounds like a wishing well to me...
Convoluted mess is a pretty good way to describe it, yes.
Originally posted by BlightSo, essentially you're intentionally misrepresenting and misinterpretting what was said?
So essentially what you're saying is the Legend of Zelda is a convoluted mess and we have no real frame of reference for what the Triforce can actually do when combined? Especially not for Link since it has never really seemed to do much of anything when he has had it combined? Got it. It honestly sounds like a wishing well to me...
Strange, then, how even individual pieces grant their wielder significant amounts of power when the triforce's only apparent use is the wishing capability it grants when the entire thing is assembled. Oh, wait, that doesn't make sense at all.
It's not like the power of said pieces is a consistent plot point in LoZ, LoZ 2, OoT, WW, TP, or SS. (Hint, it is)
Here is what we know about the triforce; it is at least global in scale, grants it's wielder insane levels of power and the ability to warp reality to their whim.
This thread only bans the reality warping, leaving, you guess it, insane levels of power on at least a global scale. Shit, the ToP alone has some global feats. haermm And let me be clear. The reality warping can only be done with the completed triforce. Ergo, power other than the 'wishing well effect' you're trying to play it off as.
Oh, and you still seem to have ignored this little statement;
Dem polar winds and dat upper atmosphere at Link's beck and call.
To put it simply, there is no guess work here other than just how powerful Link would become. That we dunno because Link's never possessed the entire thing except at the end of aLttP where he warped reality multiple times to fix things and make a bunch of other people happy after having already beaten Ganon. (IE, no combat left) We do know that it would completely outstrip everything else ever done in the series that wasn't done by Fi.
I haven't even attributed any powers to Link he doesn't display without the triforce, only told you straight up, that with it, they become a teeeeensy bit more devastating. Which to be honest is kind of an understatement.
Edit: Also, it's Sunday morning, I'm going back to sleep.
Originally posted by Blight
So essentially what you're saying is the Legend of Zelda is a convoluted mess and we have no real frame of reference for what the Triforce can actually do when combined? Especially not for Link since it has never really seemed to do much of anything when he has had it combined? Got it. It honestly sounds like a wishing well to me...
Not really, it's just that this thread's rules are covering events that have either never taken place or have not been extensively shown. It's pretty much exactly like speculating on what Blackbeard can do with Whitebeard's devil fruit before he shows up again. Or speculating on what Pluton does.
We know exactly what the Triforce can do when combined: grant wishes/warp reality. It is a wishing well, and Link has used it combined before, in exactly that way. That power is simply off limits for this thread, and instead we're just saying he has the individual pieces, though Link has never used all of them separately in that manner.
We know in general what each piece does, and we know what they do when combined. What we're speculating on here is what happens when Link gets Power, Wisdom, and Courage without combining them.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Yes, Aura, they certainly are. Have a cookie. 😛Edit: So...did we decide on what Link was actually going to be taking on the Strawhats?
I think it was A Link to the Past's version. Not a physical contender but has magics.
Now how about the second fight? Against the other 3 Strawhats.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The notion that Haki will be able negate real intangibility because it can negate logia intangibility is faulty.
Originally posted by Nephthys
How so?
I think he's (she's?) referring to how Haki has worked against disperse-ables AKA people made out of energy/light (Kizaru) and people made of out of elements like fire (Ace) but not on abstract intangibles that are not made of or consist of matter?
Theoretically I don't see why it shouldn't. Haki resides within a persons spirit (as shown when someone uses it after being put into a non-haki users body) and can be used to reach past a persons Devil Fruit powers to affect their 'substance'. And as shown by Bartholomew Kuma and Brooke, Devil Fruit powers extend even into abstract concepts and the intangible (ghosts).
Rdit Oh, and Perona.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Theoretically I don't see why it shouldn't. Haki resides within a persons spirit (as shown when someone uses it after being put into a non-haki users body) and can be used to reach past a persons Devil Fruit powers to affect their 'substance'. And as shown by Bartholomew Kuma and Brooke, Devil Fruit powers extend even into abstract concepts and the intangible (ghosts).Rdit Oh, and Perona.
Yeah, but that was because of Kuma's and Brooke's devil fruit powers; not because of Haki if I'm reading this right. I don't recall the Gomu Gomu no Mi having similar capabilities.
Not saying that Luffy loses this fight though. He's still superior physically in pretty much every way.
Yeah, I'm just saying that DF powers can be abstract and intangible and Haki can counter DF powers. I mean, if it couldn't then Brooke would be invincible in his ghost form and Perona wouldn't be taking orders from Moria.
Point is, Haki runs off of spirit energy and works by hitting the persons substantial form, so it should affect intangibles imo.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This Link gets SSBB feats, a magic cape, and [b]the triforce. [/B]
Haki makes contact with the opponents true self regardless of intangible protection (fire, smoke, light, ghost). Havn't seen a reason why the Magic Cape is above this.
And the Triforce power up is speculative and hasnt given us anything physical to even powerscaling with.
On the other hand this Link's only strength(and by that dura) feat comes from partially struggling to throw 15 ton rocks with the Power Gloves. Even the best durability feat in LoZ is below Luffy's output.
Originally posted by BloodRain
SSB doesn't have feats unless you mean the Triforce slash and being transmutated into a trophy. /Go Master Sword protection go awecraz/
Screampaste is referring to 2.23 of this video:
Apparently this means Link is a laser dodger.
And the Triforce power up is speculative and hasnt given us anything physical to even powerscaling with.
All that's speculative about it is to what degree it scales him, because we don't know exactly how powerful the combined triforce is. We know it is at least planetary, and Luffy isn't touching that. Let's pretend for a moment he can, and he somehow injures a Link who has the entire Triforce. (Unlikely)
Oh, wait, Link has the ToP, physical injury is moot. He just ignores it and uses Ether.
An unamped Ether already has Link in control of the upper atmosphere and polar winds, what's Luffy's play against it? Be serious for a second.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Show me a character that has planetary durability in LoZ.Then get me some vodka.
Then show me again a character that has planetary durability in LoZ.
Luffy beat polar winds with a coat and some ear muffs, hows that for serious? parm_k-monster
1. That wasn't specifically my claim. Though it is possible he'd reach that point.
2. I don't share.
3. Clarify this for me; are you legitimately arguing Luffy against Link with the entire Triforce?
This is an important thing for me to know.