Originally posted by quanchi112
If he can sense it he should be able to dodge. The repeat is a gameplay mechanic which forces you to sword fight him.Still a power you can't deny. Russell one shots him.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIf you put heavy boots on you will get annihilated in a sumo match.
So you're wrong? Being heavier is a massive advantage in sumo wrestling, lol. This is why they're fat.So, again, Russell's best feat is not even class 5, Russell does not have an axe. Someone stronger than Russell with an axe could not hurt Link. Russell cannot.
The game makes it clear you can't hit him with arrows anymore because [b]he avoids them.
This is not a mechanic. Ganon teleports out of the way.Provide a feat that puts him on par with casual avoidance of mach 11+ arrows, plzkthnx.
So things stronger and heavier than Russell that did not hurt Link are relevant how?
Zant turned him into a wolf. Your point?
Link's durability and combat speed > Russell's strength and combat speed. Provide better feats or accept that by current evidence Link effortlessly crushes him. [/B]
Link was beaten and ko'd by henchmen. Russell slaps his head off or rips his spine out. Take your pick.
This is a mechanic due to the game forcing you to engage him in a sword battle.
We see Dorf easily tagged by swords, a slow magical mirror attack, etc.
Zant easily drummed him.
False. Bulbins men drummed him. Link dies, quickly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you put heavy boots on you will get annihilated in a sumo match.Link was beaten and ko'd by henchmen. Russell slaps his head off or rips his spine out. Take your pick.
This is a mechanic due to the game forcing you to engage him in a sword battle.
We see Dorf easily tagged by swords, a slow magical mirror attack, etc.
Zant easily drummed him.
False. Bulbins men drummed him. Link dies, quickly.
Irrelevant lowballing, Link tanked an axe to the face from someone stronger than Russell afterward and we know he became more durable.
No, Ganon does this in every 3D Zelda title in various ways, he's always been and always will be able to avoid arrows, be it by jumping, deflecting them, blocking them, or teleporting out of the way. This is not a mechanic, it's his own capability.
We see Ganondorf swordfight exactly one person, Link.
Zant polymorphed him before he had the Master Sword, not relevant, Russell can't polymorph him.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteBoots are doing the work to stop them.
So you agree the boots are doing none of the work, and Link's strength won said sumo matches. Nice work.Irrelevant lowballing, Link tanked an axe to the face from someone stronger than Russell afterward and we know he became more durable.
No, Ganon does this in every 3D Zelda title in various ways, he's always been and always will be able to avoid arrows, be it by jumping, deflecting them, blocking them, or teleporting out of the way. This is not a mechanic, it's his own capability.
We see Ganondorf swordfight exactly one person, Link.
Zant polymorphed him before he had the Master Sword, not relevant, Russell can't polymorph him.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.
Link can survive that shot at that time but also was ko'd.
He also gets tagged by arrows. Gameplay mechanic.
Yes, and he loses against inexperienced Link.
Link loses in a variety of ways.
Nah, far stronger than henchmen who crushed him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Boots are doing the work to stop them.Link can survive that shot at that time but also was ko'd.
He also gets tagged by arrows. Gameplay mechanic.
Yes, and he loses against inexperienced Link.
Link loses in a variety of ways.
Nah, far stronger than henchmen who crushed him.
5-10 ton strength with an axe > Russell.
Concession acceeeeppted.
Link who can shoot an inch thick post from across a canyon within an hour or so of owning a bow, unskilled, lel.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteBoots are needed so feat isn't his own.
The boots hold Link's feet in place, Link's muscles and bones stop them, lift them, and throw them, or trip them, all while they actively resist.5-10 ton strength with an axe > Russell.
Concession acceeeeppted.
Link who can shoot an inch thick post from across a canyon within an hour or so of owning a bow, unskilled, lel.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.
Russell>>>Bulbins henchmen.
You conceded.
Not canon.
Russell kills the guy before he draws his sword.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteWeight isn't.
The strength and durability is all Link.Link >>>> Russell.
No u.
Canon.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. He lacks the feats to even hurt Link.
Prove it.
Nope.
No, it isn't canon. It can occur but does not have to.
Russell is far greater than lackeys. Russell wins before Link can even draw his sword.
Congratulations, you actually are right about something. The boots make Link heavier..... And the strength is all him.
Link's got better strength feats, durability feats, and combat speed feats, oh, and his sword can emit sunlight.
Herp.
Salty tears, Quan. Cry more. <3
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteAnd I am also right that he needs them or else it isn't possible.
Congratulations, you actually are right about something. The boots make Link heavier..... And the strength is all him.Link's got better strength feats, durability feats, and combat speed feats, oh, and his sword can emit sunlight.
Herp.
Salty tears, Quan. Cry more. <3
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile.
No, he does not. His durability feats of being ko'd by Bulbins men is dreadful.
I'm enjoying winning.
Russell is faster, stronger, and a lot more powerful than Bulbins henchmen.
Originally posted by quanchi112Why is he sensing an arrow?
If he can sense it he should be able to dodge. The repeat is a gameplay mechanic which forces you to sword fight him.Still a power you can't deny. Russell one shots him.
I can deny the effects of Glamor on a character with a strong will, supernatural powers and/or a strong spirit AKA things that have resisted it.
Originally posted by quanchi112Besting human durability is above crushing gems with your jaw? Okay, show me Russ tossing something like a Goron 20 feet. You don't even have to accept a Gorons weight, just show me an instance of him throwing something of that size.
Ripping someone's spin is more impressive than a digestive system which can destroy rocks. Russell can easily toss beings twenty or so feet and quite easily. I don't think so. Russell easily palmed a car and is vastly stronger than combining vampires with thousands of years between them all. Gorons have been overpowered by Bo and Link on occasion with gear.
Also wheres the comparison to destroying human-sized+ rocks, or anything close?
Originally posted by quanchi112So lets see.. we have a single questionable bullet-reacting scene from Eric Vs a sub-bullet scene from Eric and several other vampires. You know you've clinging to a single feat in the face of many, right?
This happens all the time. We see characters exhibit exceptional speed and tagged by it in other circumstances to keep the drama interesting. In your world you believe everything is math related and it all makes sense. It's hysterical.
50 years older still makes it her fight.
Which claim was this regards to again ?
We see the game require him to overpower it. I could care less what happens in real life we clearly see this is required in the game.
As shown with many vamps 50 years doesn't change much. She'd be slightly faster than Maj, who was himself sub-sonic. What does that say as Russell's best speed showing?
Lol so you just deny things without even knowing what you're denying?
Point out where Link was shown using physical dominance over Epona, actual force against her.
Originally posted by quanchi112Exactly, Link has superhuman strength.
He has the strength to toss them
We both know weight and strength go hand in hand. We both also know that minus the boots he can't contend with them. Bo also is stronger with added weight. This is also proves Gorons aren't exceptionally strong and rely in their weight a lot.
Strength and weight on hand in hand only when the persons actual body is heavy. Big guys are strong cause they have big muscles, giants are stronger cause they by default have massive muscles (compared to humans).. simply adding artificial weight to your feet does not affect the persons muscles.
All of those quotes state that while Link has super-strength, his light frame will keep getting him pushed back, thus needing weight so not to be moved. Not one single line even suggests otherwise.
Though this topic is rendered fruitless when you admit that Link does in fact have the strength to lift Gorons, so why you've debating this further is questionable.
Originally posted by quanchi112So what youve saying is that words alone mean nothing? Kinda like your 'Im stronger than all of you combined' line, no? Saying that without proof of such these claims are meaning less? Kinda like how the MS has proven to do such several times? The funny thing is that your dispelling theory is just that, a theory. And every example you think you can can be 100% countered by the swords anti-evil properties.
That is hyperbole. Just because its anti evil has no bearing on every evil being out there. Being stronger than a few characters is a fact but acting like an anti evil sword can just defeat any evil being is ridiculous.
Lol if Ganondorf himself states that the MS needs anti-evil magic in order to harm him.. thats as much proof as we need.
Originally posted by quanchi112Now we're getting somewhere. So its confirmed that Link's not only superhuman, but has the strength rivalling Gorons?
It is enough to contend with them
Link is super humanly strong just nowhere near Russell Edgington. Russell shows his significant strength advantage over his peers. Link can contend and overpower whereas Russell's strength shits on his peers.
Your 'peers' point is heavily flawed as it depends on the opponents, example time: Take Frank and Tony, two 100% equal MMA world champions. If you see Frank[Link] face other MMA pros[a Goron], the fight will look somewhat even. Now if we see Tony[Russ] face a common street thug[a vamp], it would be a complete domination. Your peers point would have Frank as 'nowhere near' Tony just because he dominated weaker people.
Originally posted by quanchi112You say he's stronger, so tell me how breaching human-durability or palming and tipping a car that only weighs 0.75 tons is above...:
Russell is stronger.
After all you have stated that Link does have this level of strength. So tell me what makes human tearing and tipping a sub-ton car above all of these demonstrations.
Originally posted by quanchi112
And I am also right that he needs them or else it isn't possible.No, he does not. His durability feats of being ko'd by Bulbins men is dreadful.
I'm enjoying winning.
Russell is faster, stronger, and a lot more powerful than Bulbins henchmen.
Link's got class 100 strength, can shrug off blows from stronger enemies than Russell armed with sharp axes, fight someone with hypersonic combat speed toe to toe, and his sword still emits sunlight.
Pretentious little git, aren'tcha.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. You've not supplied a single feat that even lets him hurt Link.
Originally posted by BloodRainHe knows Link is shooting at them so he should be more aware.
Why is he sensing an arrow?I can deny the effects of Glamor on a character with a strong will, supernatural powers and/or a strong spirit AKA things that have resisted it.
Besting human durability is above crushing gems with your jaw? Okay, show me Russ tossing something like a Goron 20 feet. You don't even have to accept a Gorons weight, just show me an instance of him throwing something of that size.
Also wheres the comparison to destroying human-sized+ rocks, or anything close?
So lets see.. we have a single questionable bullet-reacting scene from Eric Vs a sub-bullet scene from Eric and several other vampires. You know you've clinging to a single feat in the face of many, right?As shown with many vamps 50 years doesn't change much. She'd be slightly faster than Maj, who was himself sub-sonic. What does that say as Russell's best speed showing?
Lol so you just deny things without even knowing what you're denying?
Point out where Link was shown using physical dominance over Epona, actual force against her.
Exactly, Link has superhuman strength.Strength and weight on hand in hand only when the persons actual body is heavy. Big guys are strong cause they have big muscles, giants are stronger cause they by default have massive muscles (compared to humans).. simply adding artificial weight to your feet does not affect the persons muscles.
All of those quotes state that while Link has super-strength, his light frame will keep getting him pushed back, thus needing weight so not to be moved. Not one single line even suggests otherwise.
Though this topic is rendered fruitless when you admit that Link does in fact have the strength to lift Gorons, so why you've debating this further is questionable.
So what youve saying is that words alone mean nothing? Kinda like your 'Im stronger than all of you combined' line, no? Saying that without proof of such these claims are meaning less? Kinda like how the MS has proven to do such several times? The funny thing is that your dispelling theory is just that, a theory. And every example you think you can can be 100% countered by the swords anti-evil properties.Lol if [b]Ganondorf
himself states that the MS needs anti-evil magic in order to harm him.. thats as much proof as we need.
Now we're getting somewhere. So its confirmed that Link's not only superhuman, but has the strength rivalling Gorons?Your 'peers' point is heavily flawed as it depends on the opponents, example time: Take Frank and Tony, two 100% equal MMA world champions. If you see Frank[Link] face other MMA pros[a Goron], the fight will look somewhat even. Now if we see Tony[Russ] face a common street thug[a vamp], it would be a complete domination. Your peers point would have Frank as 'nowhere near' Tony just because he dominated weaker people.
You say he's stronger, so tell me how breaching human-durability or palming and tipping a car that only weighs 0.75 tons is above...:
-Crushing human-sized rocks.
-Knocking around beasts larger than rhinos.
-Throwing bulky, larger than human creatures high in the air.
-Picking up said creature.
-Throwing said creature over your shoulder.
-Picking up a similar but much larger creature.
-Throwing said creature over your shoulder.
-Moving metal cages twice a humans height.
-Moving rock blocks twice a humans height.
-Moving metal blocks twice a humans height.
-Pulling up giant, thick metal chandeliers.
-Cutting through thick metal armour.
-Shattering large volumes of ice.
-Knocking around a massive mass of ice.After all you have stated that Link does have this level of strength. So tell me what makes human tearing and tipping a sub-ton car above all of these demonstrations. [/B]
I said you can't deny the power exists.
Yes, I believe so., We see Russell toss a vampire into a pillar or wall and to see it break by him tossing her with his strength. What opponent has he faced of that size ? Answer: none.
They don't destroy flesh in that manner so inconsistent feat.
I don't care if you think I am. I don't really cling to feats either but we can already tell someone like Eric Northman is a lot faster than anyone in Zelda.
Russell's comparison to the other vampires was so above them it shows he >>>all their feats up to that point.
When you successfully calmmhernyou are using your strength to maintain control over the animal.
He can't do so up against someone using speed or with superior weight without the boots. In this verse weight makes this feat possible.
He needs the weight to achieve it so minus the weight he canno do so.
I am saying Russell proved he was stronger and faster than them. They couldn't do anything to him in direct combat. We see him catch someone in mid blitz, him blitz and toss someone and sow complete dominance. The anti evil part does not apply to other games or other evil characters.
I never said he couldn't contend with Gorons without the boots. Bo also can which isn't that impressive IMO.
No, I'm saying adding weighted boots which drastically increase your weight would have you dominated against a sumo.
Russell easily did so without even tensing up.
Link struggled with all and showed it was quite a task. He also had gear in order to achieve said feats.
That's combat effective strength whereas Links is just lifting, gear based, and with much greater tension.
Originally posted by quanchi112And this gives him perfect awareness and timing from what he cant see? I've never denied the power exists, its just the limitations don't make me bother bringing it up unless needed.
He knows Link is shooting at them so he should be more aware.
I said you can't deny the power exists.
Originally posted by quanchi112Even though rocks and gems are much tougher? Throwing human weight across the room is below throwing a sumo through a second story window.
Yes, I believe so., We see Russell toss a vampire into a pillar or wall and to see it break by him tossing her with his strength. What opponent has he faced of that size ? Answer: none.
They don't destroy flesh in that manner so inconsistent feat.
A human-sized rock is more durable than a human.
Originally posted by quanchi112Forgot to mention in my last post that Bill shoots an engaged Eric without him dodging. And you should be clinging to that single instance, really. Because without using scenes with bullets we're left with visuals.. and its speed which when slowed down proves to not be as fast as assumed (like Russell's flight).
I don't care if you think I am. I don't really cling to feats either but we can already tell someone like Eric Northman is a lot faster than anyone in Zelda.
Russell's comparison to the other vampires was so above them it shows he >>>all their feats up to that point.
When you successfully calmmhernyou are using your strength to maintain control over the animal.
Exactly, and the fastest demonstration throughout TB is Eric's bullet reaction scene. Like I said, the best speed we've seen is blitzing a sub-sonic Vampire, so what with Eric's possible reactions would in theory make Russ hit supersonic in movement.
Except Link doesn't use any resistant force against her in that scene. He doesn't even pull at the reigns.
Originally posted by quanchi112I won't claim that Link can near instantly stop the forward momentum of a charging creature that greatly outweighs him. But that situation will barely come up in a fight. In all other cases he will be using his strength for what it is.
He can't do so up against someone using speed or with superior weight without the boots. In this verse weight makes this feat possible.He needs the weight to achieve it so minus the weight he canno do so.
And again Gorons, Bo and the Boots themselves say that Link can do what he does with his strength alone. That he only needs the boots to not be pushed around. Its all stated.
Originally posted by quanchi112And the Sword proved it does more damage to evil beings and monsters (The MS is sentient after all). "You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil!" ~Dorf.
I am saying Russell proved he was stronger and faster than them. They couldn't do anything to him in direct combat. We see him catch someone in mid blitz, him blitz and toss someone and sow complete dominance. The anti evil part does not apply to other games or other evil characters.
Originally posted by quanchi112Why not? There raw fact that he has the strength to move a Goron proves he was superhuman in his prime. Even Link before getting the ToC was able to throw around 80 lbs rocks with ease, which is something most irl adults couldn't do that casually.
I never said he couldn't contend with Gorons without the boots. Bo also can which isn't that impressive IMO.No, I'm saying adding weighted boots which drastically increase your weight would have you dominated against a sumo.
..Yes? Artificial weight alone would have you lose against a sumo unless you have the strength.. Like Link with the Gorons.
Originally posted by quanchi112It doesn't matter if he tensed or not. Tipping over 0.75 tons is not the most impressive strength here.
Russell easily did so without even tensing up.Link struggled with all and showed it was quite a task. He also had gear in order to achieve said feats.
That's combat effective strength whereas Links is just lifting, gear based, and with much greater tension.
5/14 come from characters other than but comparable to Link, who showed no strain at all.
2/14 require Link throwing a metal ball around, which does not increase his strength.
0/10 had Link struggling. At the very most its shown that he's putting notable effort into some of those feats as you would to lift an average human up, but thats all the effort shown. Otherwise he acts like a person landing a heavy punch.
Even if that was the case (which its not) whats more impressive; A guy who casually lifts 100 lbs or the one that 'struggles' to lift 1,000 lbs?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So Link is class 100, and doesn't weigh as much as a stone giant. Dur.Link's got class 100 strength, can shrug off blows from stronger enemies than Russell armed with sharp axes, fight someone with hypersonic combat speed toe to toe, and his sword still emits sunlight.
Pretentious little git, aren'tcha.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. You've not supplied a single feat that even lets him hurt Link.
Originally posted by BloodRainCanonically he gets hit by arrows. Sorry, you can't argue.
And this gives him perfect awareness and timing from what he cant see? I've never denied the power exists, its just the limitations don't make me bother bringing it up unless needed.Even though rocks and gems are much tougher? Throwing human weight across the room is below throwing a sumo through a second story window.
A human-sized rock is more durable than a human.
Forgot to mention in my last post that Bill shoots an engaged Eric without him dodging. And you should be clinging to that single instance, really. Because without using scenes with bullets we're left with visuals.. and its speed which when slowed down proves to not be as fast as assumed (like Russell's flight).
Exactly, and the fastest demonstration throughout TB is Eric's bullet reaction scene. Like I said, the best speed we've seen is blitzing a sub-sonic Vampire, so what with Eric's possible reactions would in theory make Russ hit supersonic in movement.
Except Link doesn't use any resistant force against her in that scene. He doesn't even pull at the reigns.
I won't claim that Link can near instantly stop the forward momentum of a charging creature that greatly outweighs him. But that situation will barely come up in a fight. In all other cases he will be using his strength for what it is.
And again Gorons, Bo and the Boots themselves say that Link can do what he does with his strength alone. That he only needs the boots to not be pushed around. Its all stated.
And the Sword proved it does more damage to evil beings and monsters (The MS is sentient after all). "You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil!" ~Dorf.
Why not? There raw fact that he has the strength to move a Goron proves he was superhuman in his prime. Even Link before getting the ToC was able to throw around 80 lbs rocks with ease, which is something most irl adults couldn't do that casually.
..Yes? Artificial weight alone would have you lose against a sumo unless you have the strength.. Like Link with the Gorons.
It doesn't matter if he tensed or not. Tipping over 0.75 tons is not the most impressive strength here.5/14 come from characters other than but comparable to Link, who showed no strain at all.
2/14 require Link throwing a metal ball around, which does not increase his strength.
0/10 had Link struggling. At the very most its shown that he's putting notable effort into some of those feats as you would to lift an average human up, but thats all the effort shown. Otherwise he acts like a person landing a heavy punch.Even if that was the case (which its not) whats more impressive; A guy who casually lifts 100 lbs or the one that 'struggles' to lift 1,000 lbs?
It's the ease in which he tosses a vampire into a pillar taking a chunk of it out. Russell can toss someone into this destroying it with a vampire. Amazing show of superior strength.
Eric can allow himself to be shot. He was not moving in blitz like fashion. Do you have an instance of Eric being tagged by Bill while blitzing ?
Yes, he does. He overpowers her or she throws him off.
He can't stop Russell from blitzing him either. You admit he can't stop him due to his weight.
Link can't compensate for his lack of weight against Gorons on his own. Needs them for the feat.
It might do more damage but it can dispel his magic. That's what seals Dorf's fate.
Still needs the boots as does Bo.
Even with the strength wearing the boots would still make you immobile for all intents and purposes.
Yes, it does. It shows what he is capable of without strain.
Your nerd math is silly.
Not casually lifts but lifts like it was 1 lb. ill take that guy
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYou need to prove he is class 100.
So Link is class 100, and doesn't weigh as much as a stone giant. Dur.Link's got class 100 strength, can shrug off blows from stronger enemies than Russell armed with sharp axes, fight someone with hypersonic combat speed toe to toe, and his sword still emits sunlight.
Pretentious little git, aren'tcha.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. You've not supplied a single feat that even lets him hurt Link.
He was ko'd by Bulbins men. Russell slaps his head off.
No, he is far stronger than henchmen who ko him easily.
Link overpowers several Gorons and Fyrus, throws Dangoro, smashes Blizzetta across the room, and walks around with a minimum of 70 tons per foot on his legs when he's on a magnetic floor. Most of this is early game stuff while Link is still unworthy to even wear the tunic in his predecessor's eyes.
Class 100.
Russell is weaker than King Bulbin who could not hurt early-game Link with a direct axe blow to the face.
Russell is too slow, weak, and fragile. You've not supplied a single feat that even lets him hurt Link.