Russell Edgington vs. Link (TP)

Originally posted by SevenShackles
I'm not under the impression this would be a royal stomp in his favor but how is Russell not strong enough to hurt Link?

Most of this stuff happens very early on, and Link is stated to be becoming more powerful as the game progresses, his feats line up with this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link was ko'd. Harry never beat Voldemort in a fair straight up fight. Ever.

His gear changes and its a figurative comparison here. You can tank a punch one time and be ko'd the next. Gear, not impressed, same old.

No, he is not. Russell is a blur and has far greater feats of speed, reactions.

Russell can slap his head off. Goats knock him on his ass and Bulbins mean easily ko'd him.

Stop ignoring that Link's best feats involve no gear.

Ganon can block hypersonic projectiles consistently at close range, his combat speed is far and away superior to Edgington's. His first kill in TP is supersonic according to OBD.

Russell breaks his hand and you know it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you're ignoring that Link became more powerful? Lel.

Stop ignoring that Link's best feats involve no gear.

Ganon can block hypersonic projectiles consistently at close range, his combat speed is far and away superior to Edgington's. His first kill in TP is supersonic according to OBD.

Russell breaks his hand and you know it.

You are wrong.

Prove they are hypersonic. I could care less what kind of faulty math you come up with he isn't anywhere near as fast as Russell. Russell is a blur and caught someone mid blitz.

Dorf is that slow guy who sat back while the sages bfr'd him.

Prove it with an example of someone breaking their hands. Russell slaps his head off and you know it.

Link's gear plays no role in his durability.

So you have no strength feats for Russell that rival King Bulbin, good.

Russell's a blur, Ganon's combat speed is enough to easily avoid arrows that punch through giant magical diamonds, go through the wind walls of massive tornadoes created by gods, and escape the gravitation of the world. 🙂 He's much, much faster.

I don't need someone to break their hand on a brick to know it's durable. Link has resisted more force than Russell could ever dream of creating, too durable for Russell to hurt.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's gear plays no role in his durability.

So you have no strength feats for Russell that rival King Bulbin, good.

Russell's a blur, Ganon's combat speed is enough to easily avoid arrows that punch through giant magical diamonds, go through the wind walls of massive tornadoes created by gods, and escape the gravitation of the world. 🙂 He's much, much faster.

I don't need someone to break their hand on a brick to know it's durable. Link has resisted more force than Russell could ever dream of creating, too durable for Russell to hurt.

I have greater feats ala spine ripping, head slapping off, etc.

No, it isn't. We see him tagged by arrows as well. It's canon as he has to be tagged by them. The other example is gameplay and is not canon.

😂

Russell craps all over his speed. Dodging arrows.

😂

Not the part of the feat where he's not crushed to death. 🙂 And they don't even appear in his best feats.

Those are not even close to class 5 feats. Russell lacks an axe, he's weaker and with no weapon. He cannot hurt Link.

Oh, you mean during the same fight where he proves he can casually teleport out of the way of them?

So you have no comparable speed feats for Russell? Good.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not the part of the feat where he's not crushed to death. 🙂 And they don't even appear in his best feats.

Those are not even close to class 5 feats. Russell lacks an axe, he's weaker and with no weapon. He cannot hurt Link.

Oh, you mean during the same fight where he proves he can casually teleport out of the way of them?

So you have no comparable speed feats for Russell? Good.

Russell destroys old vampires with ease. Russell does more damage with his hands than Bulbin ever has with his axe. 😂

He gets hit with them. Canon. 😂

Russell's disarming Jason from over 30 feet away before he even knows what happened is all I need.

Russell wins, easily.

Go put cement shoes on and try to stop a bus. Then realize Dangoro is heavier than a bus and the boots don't make Link any more durable than he already was.

Shame you've not posted a single feat to put him in Bulbin's strength range.

When he doesn't want to be hit by them, he no longer can be, canon.

See, that's not even a great feat. Ooo, 30 feet in a split second, that's like, 20 meters per second! People FALL faster than that.

In closing Russell's too slow, too weak, and explodes when Link draws his sword.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see Gorons strength as being greater than Russell's strength. Who have the Gorons torn through physically to prove this ?
You need to provide evidence to support these claims.

Lol seriously? You need proof for these things?: Those in the town state that the Goron's weren't violent, Gorons later admitting that this happened because of their Twili infected comrade only recently. Bo, Gorons and the Renado admit that Bo did so in his prime before the events of TP.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Franklin can be caught off guard as can Eric. Eric also displayed above bullet timing reflexes. It'd be like me saying Dorf gets tagged by Link's sword and arrows. Prepare to live with the consequences.

Based on ? Russell's best feat of speed was either catching Nora mid blitz or dodging the Elder Faerie blast IMO.

Nora's is only about 50 years older than the Maj so the difference is minimal if any. And that blast was not above this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your claim so hop to it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still needs to overpower it not put it into a coma. This is clearly needed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He uses a combination of skill, strength, and gear to achieve his goals. You want to just focus in the strength while ignoring the gear which makes it possible.

As said we both know he has superhuman strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still weaker than they are. He also needs to cheat to compete. Bo also competed so color me unimpressed. Russell is stated to be more powerful than very old vampires when combined. On another level whereas Link is not.

Each stating that Link has the physical strength to contend with Gorons, but lacks the weight. And what happens when he's at the same weight? He proves to be stronger than Gorons, stronger than chief Gorons, stronger than the 'muscle' Gorons and stronger than the Twili-powered boss Goron. He's physically stronger. And Bo in his prime is a superhuman, point being?

Ironic and funny: I show you the official HH book stating the MS is an anti-evil weapon. I show you in-game quotes stating its anti-evil. In-game descriptions stating its anti-evil. I even showed you the being who infused the MS with its anti-evil properties, stated shes doing so and Ganondorf saying its the swords anti-evil power that defeats him.. but all of that is purely hyperbole even when its been proven and shown. Yet Russell simply says hes stronger than several old vamps combined, and its a universal fact. Good to see how your mind works.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm ignoring the numbers and looking a his portrayal while comparing how he stacks against the other characters in the game. Russell is on another level whereas Link needs gear and skill to do so.

Link is portrayed as having superhuman strength strength, and is stated to be so by several characters.

Why do you two even bother with this blithering idiot?

Tbh I just like to arguing things, even if this situation is like convincing the Pope to be an atheist :T

I'd consider this more like convincing Varg Vikernes to gay marry a black priest who has never seen snow.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why do you two even bother with this blithering idiot?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Go put cement shoes on and try to stop a bus. Then realize Dangoro is heavier than a bus and the boots don't make Link any more durable than he already was.

Shame you've not posted a single feat to put him in Bulbin's strength range.

When he doesn't want to be hit by them, he no longer can be, canon.

See, that's not even a great feat. Ooo, 30 feet in a split second, that's like, 20 meters per second! People FALL faster than that.

In closing Russell's too slow, too weak, and explodes when Link draws his sword.

Posted greater feats.

That is not canon. Gameplay mechanic.

Quit trying to downplay. Far faster than Link is capable of. Russell can disarm someone from that distance before they can even react.

Goats, Bulbin's henchmen, horse, Yeti knocking him down easily, Zant ko, etc.

Russell wins before Link even pulls his sword out.

So in real life you can stop something heavier than you in motion without anchoring yourself? News to me.

No, you have not. Tipping a car, the best feat so far, is not as good as knocking a rhino sized animal around.

So you take two instances from the exact same fight, and choose which is canon based solely on your bias. I lol'd. Ganon avoiding the arrows it not a 'mechanic', it's an event. Gameplay combat uses mechanics like hitboxes and damage to abstractly represent things in most instances. There is nothing abstract about Ganondorf being able to casually avoid hypersonic arrows when he chooses to.

Russell is not faster than Ganondorf, I'm not downplaying, unlike you I'm providing feats to support the side I'm arguing for, rather than just plugging my ears and ignoring the feats of the opposition.

Goats never hurt him, both the goat and the bulbin attack were before Link became super human, the horse never hurt him, he calmed her down, the Yeti never hurt him either, Zant is far more powerful than Russell and didn't KO him, he polymorphed him. So, what are you arguing exactly?

Russell can't win against someone who he cannot hurt. He has no strength feat great enough to harm Link. Link's combat speed is above Edginton's, and as soon as the sword is drawn Russell explodes. This is spite.

Originally posted by BloodRain
How is it in face of everything you believe besting human durability is above beings who eat rocks and gems? Or beings which can demolish human-sized rocks when rolling, or larger when punching. Beings which can throw other Gorons a clear 20ft in the air. Even the weaker K.Bulbin knocks around a beast larger than a rhino. Any of these is above palming cars and breaching human durability.

Lol seriously? You need proof for these things?: Those in the town state that the Goron's weren't violent, Gorons later admitting that this happened because of their Twili infected comrade only recently. Bo, Gorons and the Renado admit that Bo did so in his prime before the events of TP.

Except Franklin had a gun pointed right at him for a good half-minute, unable to avoid it. Do you even know how fast supersonic is? At least 34x faster than human reactions. Meaning that Eric being caught off guard by a net is the same as you being caught off guard by something 1/34th your speed, AKA the speed of something that moves below 1 foot per second. E.g the same as you getting caught off guard by an especially slow 90 year old man with a cane shuffling right towards you.

Nora's is only about 50 years older than the Maj so the difference is minimal if any. And that blast was not above this.

Already given as per the post you responded to so again, your evidence to supplement to suggest your evidence over mine?

Because overpowering it is what all horse tamers say?

Care to point out where I ever said Link is unskilled? Or that he doesn't need Iron Boots to stop the forward momentum of rolling Gorons? I and everyone has always admitted these facts. The problem is that no amount of skill or the Iron Boots can increase durability to survive those hits, nor can they somehow give Link the ability to [b]lift and throw Gorons, which is the point here.

As said we both know he has superhuman strength.

If you played the game you'd know that the reason Link gets the boots is because:
"Strong as you are, though, you can't hope to beat the Gorons wrestlin' with power alone. Those Gorons are made of rock!"
"You got the Iron Boots! Wear these and you'll become so heavy, not even a Goron will be able to move you!"
"Your body is skinny, Brother, and so you are too light. You do not stand a change."
"Just being powerful is nothing special, Brother."

Each stating that Link has the physical strength to contend with Gorons, but lacks the weight. And what happens when he's at the same weight? He proves to be stronger than Gorons, stronger than chief Gorons, stronger than the 'muscle' Gorons and stronger than the Twili-powered boss Goron. He's physically stronger. And Bo in his prime is a superhuman, point being?

Ironic and funny: I show you the official HH book stating the MS is an anti-evil weapon. I show you in-game quotes stating its anti-evil. In-game descriptions stating its anti-evil. I even showed you the being who infused the MS with its anti-evil properties, stated shes doing so and Ganondorf saying its the swords anti-evil power that defeats him.. but all of that is purely hyperbole even when its been proven and shown. Yet Russell simply says hes stronger than several old vamps combined, and its a universal fact. Good to see how your mind works.

Oh, so youre denying that Link's physical strength is above several types of Gorons, the weakest of which demolishes human-sized rocks? Denying that Link took hits from K.Bulbin who smacks around the rhino+ sized Bulbo's? How about Link needing to use his physical strength move massive objects. Or his strength alone being required to defeat certain bosses?

Link is portrayed as having superhuman strength strength, and is stated to be so by several characters. [/B]

This happens all the time. We see characters exhibit exceptional speed and tagged by it in other circumstances to keep the drama interesting. In your world you believe everything is math related and it all makes sense. It's hysterical.

50 years older still makes it her fight.

Which claim was this regards to again ?

We see the game require him to overpower it. I could care less what happens in real life we clearly see this is required in the game.

It is fiction it does not need to all add up. You foolishly think it does. The boots are required to perform said feat. He never can stop their momentum without the boots. Without them he can't out wrestle them either. He has the strength to toss them if the boots can neutralize their momentum.

Exactly, that without the weight he cannot contend with them. He doesn't have the weight. Thanks for conceding.

We both know weight and strength go hand in hand. We both also know that minus the boots he can't contend with them. Bo also is stronger with added weight. This is also proves Gorons aren't exceptionally strong and rely in their weight a lot.

That is hyperbole. Just because its anti evil has no bearing on every evil being out there. Being stronger than a few characters is a fact but acting like an anti evil sword can just defeat any evil being is ridiculous.

It is enough to contend with them and gives him the chance to overpower them due to the added weight. Link is super humanly strong just nowhere near Russell Edgington. Russell shows his significant strength advantage over his peers. Link can contend and overpower whereas Russell's strength shits on his peers.

Russell is stronger.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So in real life you can stop something heavier than you in motion without anchoring yourself? News to me.

No, you have not. Tipping a car, the best feat so far, is not as good as knocking a rhino sized animal around.

So you take two instances from the exact same fight, and choose which is canon based solely on your bias. I lol'd. Ganon avoiding the arrows it not a 'mechanic', it's an event. Gameplay combat uses mechanics like hitboxes and damage to abstractly represent things in most instances. There is nothing abstract about Ganondorf being able to casually avoid hypersonic arrows when he chooses to.

Russell is not faster than Ganondorf, I'm not downplaying, unlike you I'm providing feats to support the side I'm arguing for, rather than just plugging my ears and ignoring the feats of the opposition.

Goats never hurt him, both the goat and the bulbin attack were before Link became super human, the horse never hurt him, he calmed her down, the Yeti never hurt him either, Zant is far more powerful than Russell and didn't KO him, he polymorphed him. So, what are you arguing exactly?

Russell can't win against someone who he cannot hurt. He has no strength feat great enough to harm Link. Link's combat speed is above Edginton's, and as soon as the sword is drawn Russell explodes. This is spite.

The ease in which he did so definitely is. Link needs to brace himself for a goat. Nowhere near as impressive as Russell.

No, it is a mechanic. The game makes it plain and clear you can't use arrows anymore. He already canonically is beaten by arrows on horseback. 😂

Far faster than Dorf. We see his feats where he is exceptionally faster. He also can fly. He also can glamour.

Goats knock him on his ass. Russell can easily palm cars. Yeti knocked him on his ass.

Zant defeated him, easily. Bulbins men easily ko'd him. Canon. Russell slaps his head off.

You have no evidence of him being immune to anyone. We see inferiors ko him. Russell destroys him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying putting on iron boots against a sumo wrestler would get you destroyed. It would not work.

The ease in which he did so definitely is. Link needs to brace himself for a goat. Nowhere near as impressive as Russell.

No, it is a mechanic. The game makes it plain and clear you can't use arrows anymore. He already canonically is beaten by arrows on horseback. 😂

Far faster than Dorf. We see his feats where he is exceptionally faster. He also can fly. He also can glamour.

Goats knock him on his ass. Russell can easily palm cars. Yeti knocked him on his ass.

Zant defeated him, easily. Bulbins men easily ko'd him. Canon. Russell slaps his head off.

You have no evidence of him being immune to anyone. We see inferiors ko him. Russell destroys him.

So, again, Russell's best feat is not even class 5, Russell does not have an axe. Someone stronger than Russell with an axe could not hurt Link. Russell cannot.

The game makes it clear you can't hit him with arrows anymore because he avoids them. This is not a mechanic. Ganon teleports out of the way.

Provide a feat that puts him on par with casual avoidance of mach 11+ arrows, plzkthnx.

So things stronger and heavier than Russell that did not hurt Link are relevant how?

Zant turned him into a wolf. Your point?

Link's durability and combat speed > Russell's strength and combat speed. Provide better feats or accept that by current evidence Link effortlessly crushes him.

How is Dorf getting hit by arrows from behind him while riding a non-arrow dodging horse a feat against? Oh, and supernatural being ants those with a strong will can resist to ignore Glamour, also being stated to not work on those with strong spiritual power.

Originally posted by BloodRain
How is Dorf getting hit by arrows from behind him while riding a non-arrow dodging horse a feat against? Oh, and supernatural being ants those with a strong will can resist to ignore Glamour, also being stated to not work on those with strong spiritual power.

Still a power you can't deny. Russell one shots him.