Russell Edgington vs. Link (TP)

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Originally posted by quanchi112
That is not how fiction works. It just is not. He hasn't shrugged off attacks from someone like Russell. Gordon level strength has never destroyed a person either so Youre assuming it can without credible evidence. You have to cite evidence to him being completely invulnerable to someone of Russell's strength.

Bo out wrestled them with boots.

Was that some sort of response to confirm that Goron's can't kill people? Are you forgetting that Goron's wrestling matches aren't death matches, but 100% sport? Or that they have never been a violent race until the Twilight hit, so long after Bo was up there?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, as they are overwhelmed and usually aren't facing one enemy. Depends on his awareness at the time and the situation. You neglect this and pretend facing groups of enemies is the same as facing one opponent.

500y/o and less Vamps are not supersonic. 1,000y/o Vamps have supersonic reactions, not speed. Russell's best feat is from blitzing that 500 y/o Vamp, compared to Eric we can at best assume that Russell has supersonic movements.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you need examples to prove it adds up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had to overpower it to calm it down. That's literally what has to happen otherwise show are tossed off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your burden to prove. Needs weight to stop the weight coming at him so without the added weight he can't stop them.

Russell is portrayed as stronger and faster than anyone in his path on the show. That's stated. We don't see the same with Link nor do we see it stated as it is not true.

Its 'stated' that weaker characters are weaker than him. Point out the obvious much? Now, lets see.. Link has been proven, shown and admitted to be characters themselves that his strength competes with Gorons, the strongest beings in the land.

Do you even have the evidence that supports that portrayal you say Link has? Being this hooked on the point you must have some decent proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care about your numbers as fictional writers don't. It's an exercise in futility.

And you know what? You can ignore the numbers there, it wouldnt matter, because even without figures its plain to the eye that these feats are above Russell;
1. Link picks up something as big as a Goron, even if its not made of stone > tipping a 1 ton car
2. Link taking hits from Gorons who can punch through rock and smack huge pillars around > tipping a 1 ton car
3. Link pushing around blocked twice as tall as he is, regardless of what they've made of > tipping a 1 ton car
4. Link knocking around a massive ice block > tipping a 1 ton car

Ignore the numbers, by all means I'm encouraging you to ignore them here. Because I know that right now you're using your 'grr fiction maths is wrong' card to avoid answering this point, a point that has /nothing/ to do with fictitious numbers. Only what we can plainly see.

How are both increasing and strong feats, which happen several times inconsistent, when there are no scenes of him showing lacklustre strength?

I don't care about your numbers as fictional writers don't. It's an exercise in futility.

I love this bit, because it's an attempt to disregard accurate guessing in favour of inaccurate guessing. We know it's a showing of strength, we know Link is capable of doing it, how strong does that make Link? We can either eyeball it and puke up a random number or we can try to be semi-accurate with it and narrow it down a bit.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I love this bit, because it's an attempt to disregard accurate guessing in favour of inaccurate guessing. We know it's a showing of strength, we know Link is capable of doing it, how strong does that make Link? We can either eyeball it and puke up a random number or we can try to be semi-accurate with it and narrow it down a bit.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I love this bit, because it's an attempt to disregard accurate guessing in favour of inaccurate guessing. We know it's a showing of strength, we know Link is capable of doing it, how strong does that make Link? We can either eyeball it and puke up a random number or we can try to be semi-accurate with it and narrow it down a bit.

The inaccurate guessing being a big thing here. Asking Quan for a supersonic speed feat, he gave me a scene which has a character flying up slower than this, which by itself is 100% sub-sonic. Claiming something by eye alone is not going to be helpful.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Even eyeballing tells us that pushing a stone cube, twice Link's height, is going to be more impressive than tipping a 1 ton car.

The inaccurate guessing being a big thing here. Asking Quan for a supersonic speed feat, he gave me a scene which has a character flying up slower than this, which by itself is 100% sub-sonic. Claiming something by eye alone is not going to be helpful.

Originally posted by BloodRain
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"Link can survive yes." ~You, Quan, admitting that Link can survive hits from a Goron. Goron's > Russell in strength, Link tussling with beings stronger than Russ give him that win.

Was that some sort of response to confirm that Goron's can't kill people? Are you forgetting that Goron's wrestling matches aren't death matches, but 100% sport? Or that they have never been a violent race until the Twilight hit, so long after Bo was up there?
Did you even watch these parts? Eric ran out and was hit by a net-gun. Franklin was shot by Jason alone. Bill and Luis shot each other. In the latter two examples groups had nothing to do with it. And Eric was only faced with a single shot, which he failed to respond to entirely. Gropes had no impact on these shots.

500y/o and less Vamps are not supersonic. 1,000y/o Vamps have supersonic reactions, not speed. Russell's best feat is from blitzing that 500 y/o Vamp, compared to Eric we can at best assume that Russell has supersonic movements.
You're responding to such evidence. Evidence to suggest otherwise?
Literally? Because I read into this before and using excessive force against a horse will make the situation worse. All Link had to do was stay with her for a while for her to calm down.. not get the horse in a headlock 😐
"Link defeats them through skill not sheer power" -> Your claim. You believe that Link can be knocked around by them, pick them up and throw them around only due to skill, not his strength. If you believed* this you'd have to prove it. I can prove the hit, lift and throw. Could you prove otherwise?
*Past tense as you've already admitted that Link has superhuman strength some time after this thread.

Its 'stated' that weaker characters are weaker than him. Point out the obvious much? Now, lets see.. Link has been proven, shown and admitted to be characters themselves that his strength competes with Gorons, the strongest beings in the land.

Do you even have the evidence that supports that portrayal you say Link has? Being this hooked on the point you must have some decent proof.

So you deny that a massive block would be heavy? New lows Quan, you can't run forever you know.

And you know what? You can ignore the numbers there, it wouldnt matter, because even without figures its plain to the eye that these feats are above Russell;
1. Link picks up something as big as a Goron, even if its not made of stone > tipping a 1 ton car
2. Link taking hits from Gorons who can punch through rock and smack huge pillars around > tipping a 1 ton car
3. Link pushing around blocked twice as tall as he is, regardless of what they've made of > tipping a 1 ton car
4. Link knocking around a massive ice block > tipping a 1 ton car

Ignore the numbers, by all means I'm encouraging you to ignore them here. Because I know that right now you're using your 'grr fiction maths is wrong' card to avoid answering this point, a point that has /nothing/ to do with fictitious numbers. Only what we can plainly see.

You need to provide evidence to support these claims.

Franklin can be caught off guard as can Eric. Eric also displayed above bullet timing reflexes. It'd be like me saying Dorf gets tagged by Link's sword and arrows. Prepare to live with the consequences.

Based on ? Russell's best feat of speed was either catching Nora mid blitz or dodging the Elder Faerie blast IMO.

Your claim so hop to it.

He still needs to overpower it not put it into a coma. This is clearly needed.

He uses a combination of skill, strength, and gear to achieve his goals. You want to just focus in the strength while ignoring the gear which makes it possible.

Still weaker than they are. He also needs to cheat to compete. Bo also competed so color me unimpressed. Russell is stated to be more powerful than very old vampires when combined. On another level whereas Link is not.

I'm ignoring the numbers and looking a his portrayal while comparing how he stacks against the other characters in the game. Russell is on another level whereas Link needs gear and skill to do so.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Based on what the game outright tells us and shows us.

No, consistantly improving feats of physical prowess which exactly match the narrative of Link's growing power.

Give me a strength feat of Edgington's that compares to a massive axe hitting Link in the face, being wielded by a superhuman.

No, he has gear which aids him. If he grew exponentially stronger he would not need the boots to begin with.

Russell ripping someone's spine out with ease. Link survived he did not and can not tank axe hits with ease.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Even if the vamp impaled his fist through a part of link's chest before he drew his sword, what's stopping him from pulling it out now that he's closer?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong.

No, he has gear which aids him. If he grew exponentially stronger he would not need the boots to begin with.

Russell ripping someone's spine out with ease. Link survived he did not and can not tank axe hits with ease.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Due to continually growing more powerful because of the Triforce of Courage through out the entire game.

He didn't need gear for:
-Not smeared by super-sonic sky-cannon.
-Not crushed by Ganon.
-Not harmed by an axe to the face from a character stronger than Edgington.
-Not pasted by Ganondorf.
His gear actually put his body under more strain here:
-Not torn apart by the iron boots and the clawshot v.s. the dragon

Link's durability > Edgington's durability and strength.

Russell's not as strong as King Bulbin and he doesn't have an axe.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The game is not wrong.

Didn't need gear for his most impressive feats.

Russell's not as strong as King Bulbin and he doesn't have an axe.

Yes, he did.

Russell is far stronger.

The game tells us Link is becoming stronger, to coincide with this Link's feats get better as the game goes along.

He didn't need gear for:
-Not smeared by super-sonic sky-cannon.
-Not crushed by Ganon.
-Not harmed by an axe to the face from a character stronger than Edgington.
-Not pasted by Ganondorf.
His gear actually put his body under more strain here:
-Not torn apart by the iron boots and the clawshot v.s. the dragon

Prove Russell is stronger, King Bulbin knocked a Rhino sized boar aside like a *****. His axe couldn't break Link's skin, Russell cannot.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The game tells us Link is becoming stronger, to coincide with this Link's feats get better as the game goes along.

He didn't need gear for:
-Not smeared by super-sonic sky-cannon.
-Not crushed by Ganon.
-Not harmed by an axe to the face from a character stronger than Edgington.
-Not pasted by Ganondorf.
His gear actually put his body under more strain here:
-Not torn apart by the iron boots and the clawshot v.s. the dragon

Prove Russell is stronger, King Bulbin knocked a Rhino sized boar aside like a *****. His axe couldn't break Link's skin, Russell cannot.

Yes, toon like nonsensical feat doesn't mean ignore everything else in the game and cherry pick.

Dorf isn't that impressive. Needed Midna to overpower beast form. Survived, not immune.

So ?

Russell palms cars, slaps heads off, and rips spines out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not in the literal sense.

Yes, toon like nonsensical feat doesn't mean ignore everything else in the game and cherry pick.

Dorf isn't that impressive. Needed Midna to overpower beast form. Survived, not immune.

So ?

Russell palms cars, slaps heads off, and rips spines out.

Stop ignoring everything in the game, Quan. Link shows continually growing strength and durability. He's stated to be becoming more powerful and he shows it. This is clear.

Dorf is class 100+

Slapping someone's head off, tipping a car, or ripping out a spine are all small scale feats, they are not enough to hurt Link.

Russell is fast and strong enough to take down link. If he is trying to subdue him instead of kill him To drink his blood then he might break even/lose majority instead of get majority.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Russell is fast and strong enough to take down link. If he is trying to subdue him instead of kill him To drink his blood then he might break even/lose majority instead of get majority.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Russell is not strong enough to hurt Link by feats, Seven. Nor is he fast enough to blitz Link who fights faster characters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't just highlight feats and Bulbins men ko'd him. Canon. Goat can put him on his ass. Russell sons him. What faster characters has Link fought than Russell ?

Link is stated to become more powerful and his feats show that he does. He goes from being KO'd by a bulbin to straight up tanking an axe blow to the face from King Bulbin without harm, and stopping multi ton rock giants in motion, overpowering Fyrus and matching Ganondorf in a sword lock.

FTR Ganondorf is much faster than Edgington, and unlike Edgington he can actually hurt Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Russell is not strong enough to hurt Link by feats, Seven. Nor is he fast enough to blitz Link who fights faster characters.

I'm not under the impression this would be a royal stomp in his favor but how is Russell not strong enough to hurt Link?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hey look, you can lowball by bringing up what happens before Link becomes super human. That's cool, why don't I discuss Tom Riddle as an angsty little second year student as if he's relevant to Voldemort? haermm

Link is stated to become more powerful and his feats show that he does. He goes from being KO'd by a bulbin to straight up tanking an axe blow to the face from King Bulbin without harm, and stopping multi ton rock giants in motion, overpowering Fyrus and matching Ganondorf in a sword lock.

FTR Ganondorf is much faster than Edgington, and unlike Edgington he can actually hurt Link.

His gear changes and its a figurative comparison here. You can tank a punch one time and be ko'd the next. Gear, not impressed, same old.

No, he is not. Russell is a blur and has far greater feats of speed, reactions.

Russell can slap his head off. Goats knock him on his ass and Bulbins mean easily ko'd him.