Originally posted by quanchi112
You have no proven he cannot hurt Link when we have seen far less ko or injure him. Tk has put him down as well. Not really impressive and arrows which move far slower than Russell can hurt Link as well as swords.Russell can disarm him or behead him before he even registers what is happening to him.
Once again, you can claim a bunch of shit, but you're wrong. Russell can't even hurt Link.
Originally posted by quanchi112Read what I said again. Its SuperWolf strength + ToC, latter of which does a lot of harm to them. So Russell could have more physical strength, he's still lacking the ToC and its the ToC that gives him what it takes. The fact remains that in-canon TwiBeasts can take bomb blasts with humans being unable to do anything to them. They are highly durable.
superwolf Link or whatever you want to say still lacks the feats of Russell so whatever. At the end of the day he is far less impressive than Russell especially according to feats and speed.
Bilith is not Lilith as he did not have all of her blood in him. Russell has the strength to hurt him since Sookie and Eric were enough to at least stake him. Russell is fast and powerful enough to kill Bilith who is not Lilith.
"Bill has the powers equivalent to an 8,000 year old vampire." He's her second coming as the writers are stating.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link is stronger than Zant. Bill is stronger than Zant. Russell is stronger than Zant. Eric is stronger than Zant. Zant is not Link. Abc logic when comparing two separate characters is horrible logic.
Gameplay mechanic as it is a boss fight. We know Ganondorf gets tagged with the sword left and right as per gameplay mechanic. We know the sword hurts him just as we know the ball and chain hurts Zant. Canonically their defeats are already pre decided to the game developers.
Your speed estimations are horrible. Being over twice Eric's age does not mean slightly faster. Not at all. M
Bullets>>>arrows. Not up for discussion.
False. His healing ability and strength is also above his.
Random gameplay damage is a gameplay mechanic. Scripted "only this will work" things are not mechanics. So the canon that Zant takes strikes from something that smacks a room sized ice block around still stands.
As you yourself defend, age isn't everything. I saw you listing younger vamps being > older vamps 😛 And anyhow Russell is faster than Eric, though the speed is still within Eric's reactions to allow him to grab Russ mid-dash. And lol, normal bullets > normal arrows so this must apply in fiction? No, the TP arrows are shown to be faster and stronger than any irl one. And thats not even the point I was making as even without Mach 1.1 arrow Link's attack speed is Mach 0.7, around Eric's movement speed.
Urm unless Russell is sporting Alucard level regeneration, how effective would that be? Assume for a second Link landed a slash, how long would it take to heal a chest sized open would? A hand? A limb? Bisection or decapitation? Even the first open wound would make the body lose a lot of blood before its healed. We know in TB that vamps are weaker when losing blood, even a single pint. So yeah, durability > regeneration here. Also youre comparing that level of regeneration as a greater power than stronger TK, teleporting and reality warping?
Originally posted by quanchi112At least its admitted that <1,000 vamps don't stand a chance.
No, Zant could not beat any of these super powered vampires.
Link does not have the perception to deal with vampire speed but he does to account for everything Zant brings to the table. Versatility does not equal for formidability.
Seeing as Russ is within Eric's reactions, and Zant's reactions are around that, Link's reactions for defeating Zant give him the chances to react to Russ.
Also was it not you who accused me of only "wanking strength"? Ironic that speed is literally all the argument is.
Originally posted by BloodRainWhen we get to the next page repost this. I can't use the quote function as it screws my iPad due to Paste posting gifs.
Read what I said again. Its SuperWolf strength + ToC, latter of which does a lot of harm to them. So Russell could have more physical strength, he's still lacking the ToC and its the ToC that gives him what it takes. [b]The fact remains that in-canon TwiBeasts can take bomb blasts with humans being unable to do anything to them. They are highly durable."Bill has the powers equivalent to an 8,000 year old vampire." He's her second coming as the writers are stating.
The thing is you cannot prove Bill is stronger at all. Can't prove that, meaning you really can't prove Russ, meaning you definitely cannot prove Eric. This is because the greatest showings of strength are small car tipping and damage on humans, the latter being something irl animals can easily do. Tipping half a ton strength or chimpanzee strength, which is the one you'll back as being their best showing of strength?
Random gameplay damage is a gameplay mechanic. Scripted "only this will work" things are not mechanics. So the canon that Zant takes strikes from something that smacks a room sized ice block around still stands.
As you yourself defend, age isn't everything. I saw you listing younger vamps being > older vamps 😛 And anyhow Russell is faster than Eric, though the speed is still within Eric's reactions to allow him to grab Russ mid-dash. And lol, normal bullets > normal arrows so this must apply in fiction? No, the TP arrows are shown to be faster and stronger than any irl one. And thats not even the point I was making as even without Mach 1.1 arrow Link's attack speed is Mach 0.7, around Eric's movement speed.
Urm unless Russell is sporting Alucard level regeneration, how effective would that be? Assume for a second Link landed a slash, how long would it take to heal a chest sized open would? A hand? A limb? Bisection or decapitation? Even the first open wound would make the body lose a lot of blood before its healed. We know in TB that vamps are weaker when losing blood, even a single pint. So yeah, durability > regeneration here. Also youre comparing that level of regeneration as a greater power than stronger TK, teleporting and reality warping?
At least its admitted that <1,000 vamps don't stand a chance.
Seeing as Russ is within Eric's reactions, and Zant's reactions are around that, Link's reactions for defeating Zant give him the chances to react to Russ.
Also was it not you who accused me of only "wanking strength"? Ironic that speed is literally all the argument is. [/B]
He is trying to save you.
Quan you have to be fair on all that the TF has shown, not some.
If early Link could only stop goats and later he shows us strength leagues above, Link becomes stronger. You've agreed with this.
If early Link's skill shames H.Shade and later becomes prideful of it, Link becomes more skilled. You've also agreed with this.
If early Link gets knocked out by a mook Bulbin and later bounces right back from boss Bulbin, Link becomes more durable. You can't ignore this one while accepting the others. All are shown to be true.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When we get to the next page repost this. I can't use the quote function as it screws my iPad due to Paste posting gifs. He is trying to save you.
Originally posted by BloodRainYes, he does become stronger and learns the techniques to stop the goats. He also uses gear to deal with heavier, stronger characters.
Quan you have to be fair on all that the TF has shown, not some.If early Link could only stop goats and later he shows us strength leagues above, Link becomes stronger. You've agreed with this.
If early Link's skill shames H.Shade and later becomes prideful of it, Link becomes more skilled. You've also agreed with this.
If early Link gets knocked out by a mook Bulbin and later bounces right back from boss Bulbin, Link becomes more durable. You can't ignore this one while accepting the others. All are shown to be true.
..There was one gif on this page >__>
No, just resisted that angle. It's like someone being ko'd and then later shrugging of punches and saying see he is more durable and punches cannot hurt him.
Originally posted by quanchi112Actually this is what you're doing, and you're doing it to ignore Link's canon progression. Pay attention to something past the first five minutes of the game.
No, they don't. His muscle density never changes yet you insist on picking and choosing what applies and when.
Originally posted by quanchi112Your 'reasoning' is some shit you made up to ignore feats and narrative while continuously lowballing based on a showing that isn't even relevant to the character by the early game, let alone the end.
I explain the reasoning while not ignoring anything. You want to ignore and play make believe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he does become stronger and learns the techniques to stop the goats. He also uses gear to deal with heavier, stronger characters.No, just resisted that angle. It's like someone being ko'd and then later shrugging of punches and saying see he is more durable and punches cannot hurt him.
You can't prove this angle theory so.. not much to go on. Lol urm yes, thats what happens, allow me to expand on that example: You're walking down the road and a small child appears and socks you in the face, knocking you out. If you get KOd by those punches, a pro boxer throwing a right hook at your nose will take you out.
Punch from a child KOing VS tanking a pro boxers punch. That is what it is. And like the others increasing, there is only one canon explanation; Like the rest, is increased.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI am not ignoring anything I am explaining the both of them. You are ignoring one and playing make believe.
Your 'reasoning' is some shit you made up to ignore feats and narrative while continuously lowballing based on a showing that isn't even relevant to the character by the early game, let alone the end.
Quit saying low balling like the other fanboys who cherry pick what counts and who doesn't.
Only fair way is to accept it all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not ignoring anything I am explaining the both of them. You are ignoring one and playing make believe.Quit saying low balling like the other fanboys who cherry pick what counts and who doesn't.
Only fair way is to accept it all.
Link explicitly improves and his feats improve all game to show us this. He stops tens of tons in motion without being crushed, dangles 70+ tons from his legs to pull a dragon out of the sky, is fired from a cannon in the sky at the ground at massive speeds unharmed, takes an axe to the chin and sword locks Ganondorf, lol. Link is too durable to be hurt by someone in the class 1 range.