Originally posted by ScreamPasteNot unhurt just not defeated.
In the game he's portrayed as being unhurt by the axe.Russell couldn't stop Link from drawing his sword even if he were faster.
Not the arrows in Zelda.
Do you think the creators would say Bulbin's axe cannot hurt him and that he is immune ?
The arrows in Zelda are no faster than arrows irl. If you believe so prove it. You always have some kind of insanity going on when it comes to your Zelda.
Bulbins mean ko'd him. Canon.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilBulbin is not stronger than Russell. Nor can he acquire the velocity Russell can.
so it takes someone much stronger than Russ 20 hits to knock out Link, And Russ is suppose to do it before he draws his sword?
Point is the axe damages him. Game makes it clear. Amount of hits is irrelevant as that is a gameplay mechanic.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe amount of hits is a gameplay mechanic but he can be hurt by the axe. That is his portrayal.
We've already gone over how gameplay mechanics are not canon. You've even agreed with this in this thread when saying the damage Zany took didn't count because it was a gameplay mechanic.. :l
What is epic about Link fighting someone who can't hurt him. No wonder the video game versus tanked. You guys agree to complete bullshit.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not unhurt just not defeated.Do you think the creators would say Bulbin's axe cannot hurt him and that he is immune ?
The arrows in Zelda are no faster than arrows irl. If you believe so prove it. You always have some kind of insanity going on when it comes to your Zelda.
Bulbins mean ko'd him. Canon.
They showed us as much in a cutscene, so yes.
The arrows in Zelda pierce giant magical diamonds, penetrate the wind walls of super-tornadoes maintained by gods, escape the atmosphere, etc. Things no bullet can do.
If you're going to try to cherry pick, it helps if the showing you focus on isn't made irrelevant by the rest of the game, lol.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bulbin is not stronger than Russell. Nor can he acquire the velocity Russell can.Point is the axe damages him. Game makes it clear. Amount of hits is irrelevant as that is a gameplay mechanic.
Prove the axe damages Link.
Originally posted by The ScenarioNot the amount of hits but portrayal wise it hurts him. We see this by playing the game.
This argument always goes in a cycle. We all know what the next step is but we do it anyway.In game, swords, bombs, spears, axes, maces, arrows, claws, ice, electricity, fire, magic, icebergs, poison, acid, and lasers all fail to kill Link. Even if this hurts him slightly, it fails to do permanent harm or instantly kill him. Are you sure you want to go own the gameplay road again? In Twilight Princess terms, Russell would deal half a heart of damage.
Again, the gameplay argument makes Link stronger. By ignoring it, we are intentionally nerfing him. We're not randomly picking and choosing, we're sticking to the rules everyone agreed should be set down where gameplay is concerned. If you have a problem with that, you can make a case for it in Games vs. or, heck, make a thread here so everyone can discuss the rule again.
Is that acceptable?
Games versus is a lost cause. It tanked. You people blew it.
I mean to sit here and pretend like Link can't be harmed by Bulbin at all is an insult to the creators of the game and Link.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The amount of hits is a gameplay mechanic but he can be hurt by the axe. That is his portrayal.What is epic about Link fighting someone who can't hurt him. No wonder the video game versus tanked. You guys agree to complete bullshit.
Ganondorf is still a threat to end game Link, the mooks don't need to be.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, we have no proof it did not hurt him or that axes cannot hurt him. Let his opponents attack him and see what happens.
His portrayal is that the axe could not hurt him the only time we see him hit with it.Ganondorf is still a threat to end game Link, the mooks don't need to be.
You are being dishonest by saying Bulbin can't hurt him. That's the same guy Link does not kill. By your logic Link can't hurt him enough to kill him.
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Ganondorf loses. Straight up crushed in a sword fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we have no proof it did not hurt him or that axes cannot hurt him. Let his opponents attack him and see what happens.You are being dishonest by saying Bulbin can't hurt him. That's the same guy Link does not kill. By your logic Link can't hurt him enough to kill him.
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Ganondorf loses. Straight up crushed in a sword fight.
No, I'm telling you what the game showed me. Simple.
Ganondorf lost a fight against a class 100 metahuman wielding the Master Sword. The same one who is crushing Edgington effortlessly in this thread.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteHe survives but we know he can be hurt since he can't let his opponent attack hit him with an axe.
We have a plain as day cutscene of Link being hit with an axe and hopping to his feet like nothing happened, lol.No, I'm telling you what the game showed me. Simple.
Ganondorf lost a fight against a class 100 metahuman wielding the Master Sword. The same one who is crushing Edgington effortlessly in this thread.
You are picking and choosing. One cutscene counts, portrayal, and the earlier one doesn't. I accept it all. I'm objective you aren't.
Link is not class 100 or close. He has unquantifiable feats. He is weaker than the Gorons among others in the game.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He survives but we know he can be hurt since he can't let his opponent attack hit him with an axe.You are picking and choosing. One cutscene counts, portrayal, and the earlier one doesn't. I accept it all. I'm objective you aren't.
Link is not class 100 or close. He has unquantifiable feats. He is weaker than the Gorons among others in the game.
Uhm what? You're trying to use Link's sole low showing, from before he became superhuman, as evidence that he's not durable after he became superhuman. The cutscene clearly shows King Bulbin didn't hurt him. King bulbin is class 5+, Edgington is class 1, and doesn't even have an axe, he cannot hurt Link.
Link has multiple class 100 feats, and is stronger than the Gorons. haermm This is shown by him besting several, and Fyrus, in direct contests of strength.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteHe was hurt just not defeated,
Except he did exactly that and he wasn't hurt, so lol.Uhm what? You're trying to use Link's sole low showing, from before he became superhuman, as evidence that he's not durable after he became superhuman. The cutscene clearly shows King Bulbin didn't hurt him. King bulbin is class 5+, Edgington is class 1, and doesn't even have an axe, he cannot hurt Link.
Link has multiple class 100 feats, and is stronger than the Gorons. haermm This is shown by him besting several, and Fyrus, in direct contests of strength.
I am using them all. He had the skill increase to not go down to trash later on. He always was around the same level as his bone density never changed.
False. Silly little baseless rankings. Russell hits with greater velocity than Bulbin.
Link needs the boots as he cannot win with strength alone. Gorons are physically on another level than Link.
Prove he was hurt.
So you're claiming that the same Link KO'd by a stone mace was durable enough to withstand 60+ tons in motion attempting to crush him?
Russell hits like a ***** compared to Bulbin.
If Link weren't stronger he still wouldn't be able to win with the boots. The boots only equalize weight.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteProve he was unfazed. Axes don't feel like a gust of wind. He is not Thor or Silver Surfer in terms of durability.
Prove he was hurt.So you're claiming that the same Link KO'd by a stone mace was durable enough to withstand 60+ tons in motion attempting to crush him?
Russell hits like a ***** compared to Bulbin.
If Link weren't stronger he still wouldn't be able to win with the boots. The boots only equalize weight.
Inconsistencies in fiction. It happens all the time.
Russell has ripped bodies apart. Has Bulbin ? Nah.
Boots make him unmovable. That's why he needs them. Physically he needs to cheat. Bo makes it clear is it cheating.
He behaves like someone who is unfazed.
This isn't inconsistent, it is explained in universe, Link became more powerful as the game progressed, and his feats improved to match.
Ripping someone's spine out takes less force than ragdolling a rhino.
They do not make him unmovable at all, they make him heavier, as heavy as a Goron. Lol. Link is still stronger than they are.
Originally posted by quanchi112A single one. So you admit that Zant is able to at least take a single powerful hit standing?
The amount of hits is a gameplay mechanic but he can be hurt by the axe. That is his portrayal.What is epic about Link fighting someone who can't hurt him. No wonder the video game versus tanked. You guys agree to complete bullshit.
Gameplay is not a portrayal, no matter how much you believe the human enemy characters are able to harm the guy who tanks continental attacks.. its gameplay for the exact reason you said; Because it wouldnt be a game without this mechanic.
Unless you want to include Hit Points?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the amount of hits but portrayal wise it hurts him. We see this by playing the game.
Portrayal wise, it also means Link has survived:
...swords, bombs, spears, axes, maces, arrows, claws, ice, electricity, fire, magic, icebergs, poison, acid, and lasers...
We see this by playing the game. What is Russell compared to any of this? A Dragon that shattered a bridge failed to permanently injure Link. A Goron that can punch through meters of stone failed to permanently injure Link. Bombs that destroy massive boulders fail to permanently injure Link. In other words, stuff far stronger than Russell has failed so far. You think he'll do anything?
Thanks to this, Link is actually tougher than we've been giving him credit for. Even if there's slight damage, all of these are durability portrayals far in excess of the Bulblin portrayal or the cannons.
Games versus is a lost cause. It tanked. You people blew it.
You can also post a discussion thread here if you want to dispute the rule. Make something official, like an appeal I suppose.
I mean to sit here and pretend like Link can't be harmed by Bulbin at all is an insult to the creators of the game and Link.
And it isn't insulting to ignore a cutscene they created? You should know by now that Zelda games are about growing up and, get this, improving oneself. You're going to deny that?
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, he does not. He behaves like someone not beaten not completely unfazed.
He behaves like someone who is unfazed.This isn't inconsistent, it is explained in universe, Link became more powerful as the game progressed, and his feats improved to match.
Ripping someone's spine out takes less force than ragdolling a rhino.
They do not make him unmovable at all, they make him heavier, as heavy as a Goron. Lol. Link is still stronger than they are.
No, his skills, gear, and a slight increase occurred. Just because my strength increases does not mean I can become immune to bullets or punches.
False. Combat strength, kiddo. That's what matters in these threads not random unquantifiable lifting feats.
No, Link is not since he has to increase his mass to resist. He cheats. Cheater. Gorons are physically a lot more impressive.
Originally posted by BloodRainWe know the creators have intended what can hurt a character by the gameplay mechanics. We know Link can be hurt by him. By your logic Link can't kill Bulbin.
A single one. So you admit that Zant is able to at least take a single powerful hit standing?Gameplay is not a portrayal, no matter how much you believe the human enemy characters are able to harm the guy who tanks continental attacks.. its gameplay for the exact reason you said; Because it wouldnt be a game without this mechanic.
Unless you want to include Hit Points?
By your logic Link's epic quest is him crushing 90 percent of his enemies who lack the power to even harm him. Ridiculous.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he does not. He behaves like someone not beaten not completely unfazed.No, his skills, gear, and a slight increase occurred. Just because my strength increases does not mean I can become immune to bullets or punches.
False. Combat strength, kiddo. That's what matters in these threads not random unquantifiable lifting feats.
No, Link is not since he has to increase his mass to resist. He cheats. Cheater. Gorons are physically a lot more impressive.
Feats > You
Ragdolling a boar is combat strength.
If two people weighing the same amount engage in a tug of war, the winner will be the stronger one.
Originally posted by The ScenarioNo, it does not. You are not getting it.
Portrayal wise, it also means Link has survived:We see this by playing the game. What is Russell compared to any of this? A Dragon that shattered a bridge failed to permanently injure Link. A Goron that can punch through meters of stone failed to permanently injure Link. Bombs that destroy massive boulders fail to permanently injure Link. In other words, stuff far stronger than Russell has failed so far. You think he'll do anything?
Thanks to this, Link is actually tougher than we've been giving him credit for. Even if there's slight damage, all of these are durability portrayals far in excess of the Bulblin portrayal or the cannons.
You can also post a discussion thread here if you want to dispute the rule. Make something official, like an appeal I suppose.
And it isn't insulting to ignore a cutscene they created? You should know by now that Zelda games are about growing up and, get this, improving oneself. You're going to deny that?
Gameplay mechanics. Dragon can hurt Link he just fails to kill Link.
I could care less what any of you think. It is ridiculous. You diminish Link's accomplishment in the end by saying most of his enemies can't harm him. Hysterical.
I do not ignore the cutscene at all. You want to just look at that while dismissing prior cutscenes and cherry picking feats.