Black Adam, Black Adam ,Black Adam Vs Thor , Silver Surfer , Gladiator

Originally posted by -Pr-
By feats, you could argue Adam was superior as much as you could argue Gladiator was, if not more.

But the problem here is that neither has fought against the same foes. In DC Gladiator may have been to Superman as BR Bill is to Thor, and in Marvel, Teth might resemble Captain Britain on a higher tier.

In a battle with Teth, and Gladiator wasn't jobbing, there would be more reasons for Gladiator to actually win. I can think of one off hand. If they ever did fight, what would stop Gladiator from shooting laser vision into Teth's eyes, and blinding him for at the very least the duration of the fight, that would from that point become a one sided bludgeoning in Gladiator's favor? Sometimes it just appears that certain decisions are based on favoritism, whether it be in a forum setting or on comic writers attempting to take cheap shots at Superman through his closest physical clone.

Originally posted by leonidas
fixed. 😉

Originally posted by Stoic
But the problem here is that neither has fought against the same foes. In DC Gladiator may have been to Superman as BR Bill is to Thor, and in Marvel, Teth might resemble Captain Britain on a higher tier.

In a battle with Teth, and Gladiator wasn't jobbing, there would be more reasons for Gladiator to actually win. I can think of one off hand. If they ever did fight, what would stop Gladiator from shooting laser vision into Teth's eyes, and blinding him for at the very least the duration of the fight, that would from that point become a one sided bludgeoning in Gladiator's favor? Sometimes it just appears that certain decisions are based on favoritism, whether it be in a forum setting or on comic writers attempting to take cheap shots at Superman through his closest physical clone.

That's a pretty inaccurate description, tbh. Adam is top tier physically; he's at the very least a holding-back Superman's equal, which you can't say about a lot of characters. Even a non-holding back Superman would have trouble with Adam.

Why more reasons? Because he has more powers? Adam's raw physicality, which I believe is superior to Gladiator's, would make up for any ranged advantage that Gladiator might have.

Shooting him in the eyes... Is that any more likely than Adam attempting to do to him what he did to Psycho Pirate?

It doesn't have to be favouritism to think that Adam would beat Gladiator. The feats alone make a compelling argument.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's a pretty inaccurate description, tbh. Adam is top tier physically; he's at the very least a holding-back Superman's equal, which you can't say about a lot of characters. Even a non-holding back Superman would have trouble with Adam.

Why more reasons? Because he has more powers? Adam's raw physicality, which I believe is superior to Gladiator's, would make up for any ranged advantage that Gladiator might have.

Shooting him in the eyes... Is that any more likely than Adam attempting to do to him what he did to Psycho Pirate?

It doesn't have to be favouritism to think that Adam would beat Gladiator. The feats alone make a compelling argument.

Inaccurate only if you did not understand what I meant, or choose to ignore my meaning. i said Captain Britain on a higher tier, if we were to compare Adam to any character in the Marvel universe, or at least Brian is the only one that comes to mind.

I don't agree that Adam is physically more powerful than Gladiator, and saw his showing of WWiii in the same light as I see most poorly written comics. Everyone of those characters that he walked through seemed to have forgotten how to use their powers, and held back drastically. Because some of those guys could beat Teth alone, or hang with him long enough to get a super pig pile going, but he should have never beaten them in the way that he did.

Gladiator has some pretty high feats as well, and in a 1 on 1 match Teth should never been written as stomping the hell out of Gladiator, and using Psycho Pirate as a means of negating the advantage that Kallark has with his vision powers is not correct, because Kallark possesses something that the Psycho Pirate does not, he has super speed, and the strength to stop Teth from putting his eyes out. Teth does not have laser vision to stop Kallark from zapping him in the eyes at any given moment during a test of strength, where they are both at eye level shouting slurs at each other.

Like I said. Gladiator's defeats seem more likely to be several writers taking cheap shots at DC's flagship character Superman, and since he was meant to be Superman's physical clone, Marvel indirectly has him getting his a$$ beaten to say that if this were Superman, he too would get his can kicked in the same way.

Gladiator due to power set, comparable strength, durability, speed, and more powers has more of a right of defeating Adam than the other way around.

And since Black Adam is not in Marvel we truly can not say how well he would do against guys that have mauled Gladiator in the past. This all boils down to respective universes.

So you DON'T think Black Adam is on Superman's tier?

Because you can't have BA on Superman's tier in DC, and then be on high-end Brian's level in Marvel at the same time...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you DON'T think Black Adam is on Superman's tier?

Because you can't have BA on Superman's tier in DC, and then be on high-end Brian's level in Marvel at the same time...

I never said that. At the same time i do believe that Gladiator is in Superman's tier, just as I see BR Bill in Thor's tier. I was comparing Brian to both Captain Marvel, and Black Adam, but at two tiers below them. However Gladiator, and Superman have the tools to defeat teth if they fired off HV, or laser vision into his eyes during a test of strength.

Originally posted by Stoic
Inaccurate only if you did not understand what I meant, or choose to ignore my meaning. i said Captain Britain on a higher tier, if we were to compare Adam to any character in the Marvel universe, or at least Brian is the only one that comes to mind.

I don't agree that Adam is physically more powerful than Gladiator, and saw his showing of WWiii in the same light as I see most poorly written comics. Everyone of those characters that he walked through seemed to have forgotten how to use their powers, and held back drastically. Because some of those guys could beat Teth alone, or hang with him long enough to get a super pig pile going, but he should have never beaten them in the way that he did.

Gladiator has some pretty high feats as well, and in a 1 on 1 match Teth should never been written as stomping the hell out of Gladiator, and using Psycho Pirate as a means of negating the advantage that Kallark has with his vision powers is not correct, because Kallark possesses something that the Psycho Pirate does not, he has super speed, and the strength to stop Teth from putting his eyes out. Teth does not have laser vision to stop Kallark from zapping him in the eyes at any given moment during a test of strength, where they are both at eye level shouting slurs at each other.

Like I said. Gladiator's defeats seem more likely to be several writers taking cheap shots at DC's flagship character Superman, and since he was meant to be Superman's physical clone, Marvel indirectly has him getting his a$$ beaten to say that if this were Superman, he too would get his can kicked in the same way.

Gladiator due to power set, comparable strength, durability, speed, and more powers has more of a right of defeating Adam than the other way around.

And since Black Adam is not in Marvel we truly can not say how well he would do against guys that have mauled Gladiator in the past. This all boils down to respective universes.

I just don't see where you get the Captain Britain comparison, that's all.

I wasn't actually referring to WW3, as he was amped in that.

Yes, I know he does. I just don't rate him as highly as I do Adam. You believe zapping him in the eyes would actually work? I never said stomp, btw. But beat him, yes. Gladiator's ranged powers are to me an equaliser more than an advantage.

Him being a Superman clone isn't an excuse, though. We go by fights, feats and personality. Editorial shit only gets brought up if it's to disregard some horrendously bad writing.

Disagree, as i think Adam is generally superior.

Of course; I just think Adam has done better against higher tier beings than Gladiator has.

You don't understand why I would compare Black Adam to Captain Britain? They both got their powers from magical sources, and they both have the same powers aside from the lightning that BA can summon, not that Brian is as powerful, but that they are closer than you may at first begin to see or believe. I don't mean down to the same people or source of their powers, but in the way that their powers work. Teth has more in common with Brian, than he does with Superman, or Gladiator. They are both mainly flying bricks.

Gladiator through strength feats has proven on panel several times that he has the strength of a Superman level character, and IMO he is in the same elite high herald tier as Superman. If Teth is a high herald Gladiator certainly is as well.

If you can make the claim that Teth is faster, stronger, more durable, or capable of causing more damage on a planetary level, then spill it, but i just can't see it. While on the other hand Gladiator's laser vision is certainly an advantage, because Teth has no answer to it, nor does he have an answer to his super freeze breath, infra vision, or super hearing. Gladiator jobs, and that's why people drag him through the mud. if we debated power for power with the knowledge that Gladiator can keep up to Teth in the physical arena, Teth would eventually be overtaken in a versatility war. Feats that apply to one universe in terms of battles can not be directly passed off to another, because we can not ever know how powerful DC would make Thor if he were in that universe just as an example.

So if they did battle i could see Gladiator taking a majority due to his higher versatility, while having comparable stats.

Originally posted by Stoic
You don't understand why I would compare Black Adam to Captain Britain? They both got their powers from magical sources, and they both have the same powers aside from the lightning that BA can summon, not that Brian is as powerful, but that they are closer than you may at first begin to see or believe. I don't mean down to the same people or source of their powers, but in the way that their powers work. Teth has more in common with Brian, than he does with Superman, or Gladiator. They are both mainly flying bricks.

Gladiator through strength feats has proven on panel several times that he has the strength of a Superman level character, and IMO he is in the same elite high herald tier as Superman. If Teth is a high herald Gladiator certainly is as well.

If you can make the claim that Teth is faster, stronger, more durable, or capable of causing more damage on a planetary level, then spill it, but i just can't see it. While on the other hand Gladiator's laser vision is certainly an advantage, because Teth has no answer to it, nor does he have an answer to his super freeze breath, infra vision, or super hearing. Gladiator jobs, and that's why people drag him through the mud. if we debated power for power with the knowledge that Gladiator can keep up to Teth in the physical arena, Teth would eventually be overtaken in a versatility war. Feats that apply to one universe in terms of battles can not be directly passed off to another, because we can not ever know how powerful DC would make Thor if he were in that universe just as an example.

So if they did battle i could see Gladiator taking a majority due to his higher versatility, while having comparable stats.

Originally posted by Stoic
You don't understand why I would compare Black Adam to Captain Britain? They both got their powers from magical sources, and they both have the same powers aside from the lightning that BA can summon, not that Brian is as powerful, but that they are closer than you may at first begin to see or believe. I don't mean down to the same people or source of their powers, but in the way that their powers work. Teth has more in common with Brian, than he does with Superman, or Gladiator. They are both mainly flying bricks.

Gladiator through strength feats has proven on panel several times that he has the strength of a Superman level character, and IMO he is in the same elite high herald tier as Superman. If Teth is a high herald Gladiator certainly is as well.

If you can make the claim that Teth is faster, stronger, more durable, or capable of causing more damage on a planetary level, then spill it, but i just can't see it. While on the other hand Gladiator's laser vision is certainly an advantage, because Teth has no answer to it, nor does he have an answer to his super freeze breath, infra vision, or super hearing. Gladiator jobs, and that's why people drag him through the mud. if we debated power for power with the knowledge that Gladiator can keep up to Teth in the physical arena, Teth would eventually be overtaken in a versatility war. Feats that apply to one universe in terms of battles can not be directly passed off to another, because we can not ever know how powerful DC would make Thor if he were in that universe just as an example.

So if they did battle i could see Gladiator taking a majority due to his higher versatility, while having comparable stats.

I guess.

I don't agree. Gladiator to me is a solid mid, maybe high end-mid herald, but fair enough.

I don't agree, tbh.

Wait, are you saying we can't compare them?

I'd give Adam 7/10 personally.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Gladiator isn't in the same class as superman.

He's meant to be, but in application they aren't even close. He's probably closer to one of the weaker Supermanbots than he is to the real deal.

Originally posted by -Pr-
By feats, you could argue Adam was superior as much as you could argue Gladiator was, if not more.
Luke Cage gets no respect? Really? Read a Bendis comic lately?

Cap&Blade vs cage & IF (pre train feat)
I believe

Cage was argued as a non factor

This IMO would put gladiator DOWN

Black Adam is stronger than gladiator

"He made it impossible to leave the city center"

facepalm

Marvel team wins.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Gladiator isn't in the same class as superman.

I'd give supes the win over Gladiator, but to insist that there not comparable is not only ignorant but wholly false.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Minus the incredibly high end feats all flagship characters have, yes there highly comparable

I'd give supes the win over Gladiator, but to insist that there not comparable is not only ignorant but wholly false.

The level of opponent where Gladiator stops being truly effective is where Superman's power and effectiveness superiority becomes glaringly obvious.

What opponent? Do you think superman could beat the P5?

Team one 5/10