Black Adam, Black Adam ,Black Adam Vs Thor , Silver Surfer , Gladiator

Originally posted by pym-ftw
What opponent? Do you think superman could beat the P5?

He just hasn't beaten the same caliber of opponents that Superman consistently has. In his rare high feats [maybe a handful in 35 years.] he appears to be in the range Superman has been consistently been portrayed in issue to issue. In the rest however, he just plain loses in cases that are meant to make Marvel readers believe "Superman would lose here too", as someone said earlier in the thread, and is simply not the case.

Gladiator is clearly being lowballed.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator is clearly being lowballed.

Not by everyone.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not by everyone.

I agree but if you look at his fights as a whole and look at the circumstances and plots, you'll see what stoic is trying to tell you all. Gladiator hasn't outright been stomped in a fight. The time he truly got curbed was by an amped Hulk. Outside of that, I can't think of a time Gladiator got ran through unless you count Tyrant.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but if you look at his fights as a whole and look at the circumstances and plots, you'll see what stoic is trying to tell you all. Gladiator hasn't outright been stomped in a fight. The time he truly got curbed was by an amped Hulk. Outside of that, I can't think of a time Gladiator got ran through unless you count Tyrant.

I don't agree.

Originally posted by Juntai
Name everyone Gladiator fought evenly with and won or lost, or outright got destroyed by, and I'll let you know, because a majority of the list is laughable.

He just hasn't beaten the same caliber of opponents that Superman consistently has. In his rare high feats [maybe a handful in 35 years.] he appears to be in the range Superman has been consistently been portrayed in issue to issue. In the rest however, he just plain loses in cases that are meant to make Marvel readers believe "Superman would lose here too", as someone said earlier in the thread, and is simply not the case.

This was my stance as well.

Black Adam is much more powerful than Gladiator, and would beat the living shit out of him.

Anybody who has read both of the characters would know this.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Black Adam is much more powerful than Gladiator, and would beat the living shit out of him.

Anybody who has read both of the characters would know this.

I know, right? Gladiator is known for being a nice guy.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Black Adam is much more powerful than Gladiator, and would beat the living shit out of him.

Anybody who has read both of the characters would know this.

When you say much more powerful would you care to elaborate on the terms?

Originally posted by Stoic
When you say much more powerful would you care to elaborate on the terms?

Black Adam's entire career consists of battle performances that would be the highlights of Gladiator's existence.

His highs are much higher, his lows are almost non-existent, and his average is arguably the best this side of Superman. Gladiator's highs are much lower, his lows are embarrasingly bad, and his average is laughable.

None of those are even remotely arguable.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Of course.

Black Adam's entire career consists of battle performances that would be the highlights of Gladiator's existence.

His highs are much higher, his lows are almost non-existent, and his average is arguably the best this side of Superman. Gladiator's highs are much lower, his lows are embarrasingly bad, and his average is laughable.

None of those are even remotely arguable.

Could you emphasize Gladiator's lows so that I could get a clearer picture of your perspective?

Probably the Gambit and Cannonball showings.

Phil has obviously never read a comic.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Probably the Gambit and Cannonball showings.

Quantifying the amount of power that Gambit hit him with is impossible. I'm guessing that you are referring to the full deck of cards that hit him correct?

Cannonball in that scene would have done the same thing to Superman, or Black Adam. He simply redirected Gladiators punch back to him. This is something that Speedball did to Terrax as well. I'm not sure if that was a low showing since it didn't KO Gladiator. Did it? Can't remember since this was nearly 20 years ago.

There was a time when Gladiator fought some ancient alien that owned him with ease, but then again that guy appeared to be way up on the food chain. I forget the creatures name, but he easily caught Gladiator's punch, and broke his wrist or something to that effect.

Gladiator can't even ko himself?? Pathetic..

Originally posted by Blight
Gladiator can't even ko himself?? Pathetic..

Neither can Juggernaut it appears. Or Superman, or countless other characters that have fought clones or doppelgangers of themselves. At least not with one punch.

Originally posted by Stoic
Could you emphasize Gladiator's lows so that I could get a clearer picture of your perspective?

I take your silence on Black Adam's average and highs are an acknowledgement of his significant superiority. Good.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Fighting teenage Colossus as nigh-equals. Being overpowered and dragged around by Hulk like a kid who broke the neighbour's window, even before exploting his weakness. Gambit's deck of cards. We can, of course, also get into stuff like Corsair's pistol knocking him out, if you want to categorize that as 'battle performance'. Anytime you have something of Black Adam's that is comparable to those, feel free to mention them.

I take your silence on Black Adam's average and highs are an acknowledgement of his significant superiority. Good.

Ok outside of the snide comment at the end of your post, I can see why you might have a case, but as I stated above, the force of the deck of cards that Gambit hit him with is unquantified.

Being beaten down by the Hulk who has consistently operated at those levels isn't really a poor showing, since Black Adam would likely battle the Hulk in the same way in a comic book.

As for Corsair's pistol, this is also unquantified, because unless you know what his gun was packing it may have been powerful enough to deck the Silver Surfer, and if not, many characters have low showings, which isn't a green light to bring up since it appears to be a direct low ball tactic in order to squeeze snide statements like your last sentence in.

Instead why not prove that Black Adam is faster, stronger, has a stronger punch based on planetary destructive scales. I mean we can both use low showings like the time that Suberboy Prime made teth look like a bug, only to have been given a better fight than Teth by Superboy. You see how it works?

Colossus lost the battle and Gladiator was unharmed, so this really doesn't make him look bad, and that showing could also be looked at from many different perspectives; such as Gladiator may have been taking it easy on Peter, since he was able to stomp the Thing who at that period of time was actually stronger than Peter.

Gladiator is also more versatile than Black Adam.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Minus the incredibly high end feats all flagship characters have, yes there highly comparable

I'd give supes the win over Gladiator, but to insist that there not comparable is not only ignorant but wholly false.